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Medical Marijuana 101 (and schizophrenia)?

Merkinsey

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I know nothing about medical marijuana except the bits I hear on the news once in a while, ie, I don't really keep up.

My friend is a schizophrenic. He takes his normal Risperidone a day to go to sleep and some Concerta to snap out of Risperidone stupor to try to be productive (he loves it and 60 x 36mg would be gone in a week with him running around like a chicken without head - he used to be on "massive doses of ritalin" when he was a productive citizen and had a great job, wife and a son). He has to be pressured to take Risperidone so it knocks down his brain function a few octaves so he won't be seeing or hearing anything or voices or ghosts as much so he can sleep... works sometimes and sometimes not... he doesn't like the effect as it makes him feel lame. This is so far pretty much the only thing our country figures as remedy and does for our schizophrenic citizens... Often he looks quite normal but only superficially.

They will not and he cannot get institutionalized unless he voluntarily admits himself and his family can afford the cost. When he loses it and running around wanting kill someone, doesn't recognized family members or friends, leave his car in the middle of street in drive cockeyed and walks home and say he totaled his car - car was fine and he said when He said, "Amen" the totaled car magically came together undamaged..., contacts CIA & FBI that there are beings hiding in his yard watching him and sneaks in his room to fcuk with his stuff (CIA & FBI actually returned his letter saying it's a local jurisdiction matter 8) ), punches through walls and destroys houses (he's so far completely gutted out the interiors of two $300K+ perfectly good houses - one his own and the other a rental), we call 911 and the half the town police force show up to take him to emergency room, but he's often released within hours or in a couple of days: maximum they can hold him in hospital is 2 weeks.)

What he does as his self-medication, other than Risperidone, is he smokes a lot of pot or the spice fake pot, alcohol and cigarettes. After a while we can see that it kinda works to keep him in his room just talking to himself and occasionally screams but that's to be expected. At least he doesn't completely lose touch with reality... well if you talk to him more than a few sentence, you'll know his mind has completely lost the grip of reality... but all we can hope is he exists as uneventfully and as quietly and to himself as possible without acting out. Schizophrenia is not curable and we all understood that a long time ago. As family they just can't abandon him out to the street.


Here is the point: the fake spice pot he was getting from the neighborhood has become illegal in Illinois, I think, that he cannot get it anymore. He ordered some from online store but they were pretty much shit and didn't do anything. His family is trying to control his cigarette smoking and massive alcohol consumption as they can see and hear his coughing and doing all that stuff is killing him. If he can have enough pot, it would be ultimate but as much as he smokes, it is not really doable at least for the price we can find, even if we find some decent enough stuff.

(sorry, it became long winded and too much about schizophrenia.)

Is it possible to get medical marijuana in IL?

If not, what does it take to get it, like in what states, for type of medical conditions, and cost, etc etc?


TIA
 
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Personally, I think marijuana for this kind of condition could quite possibly be the worst idea. Maybe it would work for some, I don't know... but I think eventually it would get the worst of someone with this kind of preposition. Especially self medicating with the other the other medicines along with alcohol and synthetics is playing with hot fire, bad idea.In comparison to those herbal blends, real marijuana on the other hand doesn't always have the same or even similar effects as some of the synthetics. I'm not sure if any state would prescribe it for this kind of condition,perhaps a Californian physician would. Medical marijuana is not legal in Illinois, but a quick google search could provide you with a list of other legal states.
 
Yes, we thought so too and physicians as well. But we see that it calms him down and occupies him. We are at a point where we don't have much of any options left, at all.
 
Like I said before, the synthetics in those blends don't always have the same or even similar effects to real marijuana....and only god knows what could be in the blends.
 
Apparently there isn't actually any solid evidence for cannabis causing shcizophrenia, and I'm sure that as long as he stuck with indicas rather than strong sativas he wouldn't have much trouble with psychosis.
 
Its been well reported that marijuana can induce psychotic symptoms and anxiety.... the use of indica or sativa really doesn't always make a difference in rather you'll be one to suffer ill effects.
 
If you look in the cannabis anxiety mega thread, there are people that have lasting effects such as anxiety,depersonalization, and even psychotic like symptoms.... including myself. After smoking for years and while it did increase my anxiety.... after staying in that frame of mind for so long it definitely followed me into sobriety as well. In reality, me nor you know how smoking actual cannabis would effect the individual...so suggesting he would be fine isn't that smart because in reality god knows what could happen and personally I don't think its worth the risk. I think it could actually be quite disastrous,taking that risk and risking my mental health, is one reason why I don't think I will smoke weed ever again.

There is a documentary called the Evil Weed(look it up on youtube) and a young man who got into smoking cannabis developed schizophrenia. Now I don't know if the cannabis was the cause, but I'm a firm believer that cannabis and mental illness go hand and hand, for better or worst.

Also considering the the broad range of cannanbinoids and little research, they could actually be more beneficial then actual cannabis..but no one knows. Maybe some could help, some could make it worst or some might just not do shit but only in years to come will we find out the true nature of these drugs.
 
Hey all....I am also dealing with a few medical issues (not quite schizophrenia). I am looking into getting my medical marijuana card and have found, what I think are a few helpful websites: Health Canada, weed doctors and medical marijuana doctors. Can anyone tell me if I am headed in the right direction....or pass on a few websites they found to be helpful?? Thanks in adavance :)
 
Well I just happened to have this open in one of my browser tabs, pending reading and I think it's a perfect addition here: http://www.scielo.br/pdf/bjmbr/v39n4/6164.pdf

I'll just skip to the end and share some copypasta

"Confirming this suggestion, a preliminary report from a 4-week, double-blind controlled clinical trial, using an adequate number of patients and comparing the effects of CBD with amisulpride in acute schizophrenic and schizophreniform psychosis, showed that CBD significantly reduced acute psychotic symptoms after 2 and 4 weeks of treatment when compared to baseline. In this trial CBD did not differ from amisulpride except for a lower incidence of side effects"

So basically CBD was shown to be atleast as effective as an a-typical antipsychotic drug in the treatment of psychosis/schizophrenia. There's a catch however I'd say, if you look at which drugs CBD was compared to. Hard to say if some of the newer/more popular antipsychotic drugs are better, but studies point that CBD definately seems like a safe way to try and treat schizophrenia. It is crucial that you get only CBD though, no THC so marijuana, cannabis, hash oil, edibles, all the traditional stuff is out of question. I guess you could try vaporizing with different temperatures though, like first vaping all the THC out in the air and then raising the temp a bit to get mostly CBD. I don't recommend this though as it's not 'medical' enough in my book, you should be getting exact doses not rough estimates with a bit of unwanted (even harmful in case of psychotic patients) substances.
 
Cannabis is no more likely to cause schizophrenia than paedophilia.

I don't think anyone really knows much about the synthetic cannabinoids, but it's obviously a bad idea for someone with mental illness to be taking them.
 
as many have said:
-anxiety mega thread
-unusual response to cannabis thread

For syth info:
-mega synthetic thread
-k2 ruined my life thread

All applicable threads, but this one can float for now as i see some interesting new discussion
 
Yea synth or not, cannabinoids will make his psyche worse. Even 'normal' people that smoke a strong ass sativa get paranoid and sometimes bug out. If he wants to get high tell him to take benzos or opiates occasionally, at least those will keep him completely sane and relaxed.
 
I agree that he shouldn't smoke for sure.
Benzos or opiates, aren't really an ideal solution for problem like this....IMO.
 
In my own experience, I have schizeffictive disorder. Its btween full blow schizophrenia and manic-depression. It self medicated for years with alcohol and cigs and all that did was turn me into a mentally ill alcoholic (which is an unlovely creature!!) I have come along way since my daughters birth 5 years ago and have put myself in a better position to function with what I have. It's terrible to have delusions....I have them if I do not take my meds. I found a good Doctor and for 3 years we changed my meds around to get the right mix. Finally several months ago we hit the jackpot. My meds are Zoloft 150mg a day and Haloperidol 5mg a day. I have super duper anxiety too but I do not take benzo's. Too dangerous. I think the alcohol he is consuming is the biggest problem. If he is drinking on Risperidone that...well.. aint good. Smoking weed might hurt him too but darn, that alcohol is killing whats left of his mind. I am no Dr but thats the deal, I believe. Try to get him to stop drinking and see what happens. Secondly, I smoke small amounts of weed 3 times a day. I also have blood clots in my abdomen and legs. It is super painful!!! Been diagnosed for 2 years and still, no change in the clots. Im currently taking 40mg of methadone a day. It dulls the pain, but not enough. The weed not only helps with the pain, but the anxiety over the intensity of the pain, if that makes sense. To me, different things react and work in different ways with every person. What works for one doesnt work for another. I know that everything Im currently taking is helping me....not hurting me. I never overdo it with anything...I cant. So, my advice is maybe he needs to go away for awhile to get the booze and weed out of hgis system. Maybe Risperidone isnt right for him. Get him stable, on the right meds, he can function...like me. Im disabled bc of my clots but I keep busy working with my buddy every day. I left the booze behind 5 years ago and havent looked back. No AA, just Christ. That too, is another story, haha. Basically, weed is ok with me. Booze is a poison epidemic. Good luck to you!!
 
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In fact, he was so delusional, he was whispering to everyone in the wee hours at night that "they are here right there in the corner and watching" as he hinted to us with his eye movements. Told us to all get ready to go on the trip to Mars then we'd be heading to Venus. He thought I was our dad who passed away 2 years ago. He was swapping the picture of our dad and a wooden cross hanging on the wall of my mother's house saying something came out of the wall and told him to do that. He whispered to all of us to punch a certain spot on the wall saying a hideous head was sticking out of the wall and talking to him.

Another words he lost all of his remaining grip to the reality. He took my mom's car to get some cigarettes but he was gone for a very long time. We were worried but he did come back, saying he totaled the car wrapping around a van and say that he couldn't turn the car off or get the key out. I went out to see the car and the car was fine, but he left it running in "drive" in the middle of the street diagonally... luckily it wasn't moving. Here is the thing; when I told him the car was perfectly fine, he replied that when he said "Amen" the car just snapped back together. He walked around snapping fingers saying "now you are a man, now you are a female"... "now world is domed, snap, now the world is okay" etc etc.

We, or at least my mother and my father's side, come from a long line of very religious (Christian) family. He went through he's teen years really getting into Bibles etc (though he was an electric guitar playing wild partier trouble maker but a smart kid) and that was right around when he started to show his delusional symptoms in his college dorm (I suspected that he might've had a bad trip or something that didn't go away or something and in fact, he did confirm this a couple of times in his rare lucid states though I can't really be sure). He believes he knows about God, Jesus, and the bible better than anyone in the world. We all know not to utter anything about religion, any religion, period around him as he would turn into a crazed TV evangelist on shrooms for hours and condemn all of us.

So, in fact, taking religion to seriously and literally screwed him up really bad. My mother always thought the religion would be the salvation for him but I don't think she thinks that anymore.

Anyway, about 3 weeks ago I called 911 and had them take him to ER. When the cop and EMT personals showed up he threatened to kill the EMT guys and then he pulled his pants down to show that he was a man to the cops. He's in delusion that whenever a female cop shows up they are there to arrest him for not being a man(?). He's never shown any signs of being feminine or gay; he has a wife and a son, so we have no clue what that is about as I've seen him do that twice so far. They kept him in the internal med floor, restrained to observe his liver function, some infection he had and chest pains. After about 4 days they sent him to the mental ward. We told them about his drinking, massive ritalin doses etc etc and they cleaned him out, only giving him Ambien to sleep (normally he never sleeps more that 3-4 hrs max) and Hydroxyzine HCI. Towards the end of his two weeks stay there (2wks in the max they can keep him unless he is continuously showing psychotic behaviors) they started to give him 1/4 of his previous dose of Risperdone.

He came home and he looked fantastic, ie, healthy and seemed perfectly normal saying he's not going to take any Concerta or smoke anything and drink alcohol. Then he started his computer (he composes music and puts up his stuff on an online music site - he has double masters, one in music and the other in computer programing) then he got all pissed off about his computer and became super hyper, angry and wanted cigarettes. My mother gave him a few bucks to get some cigs but he came back with some beer as well and hide the beers to drink which is an improvement as he'd normally could care less what anyone thinks. That night I got so pissed off of seeing him run around the house demanding everyone to be perfectly silent and having a temper-tantrum complaining about no existent things, I scared the crap out of him by threatening him I'd beat the crap out of him if he didn't calm down (I had to do this occasionally to settle him down previously as well) and told him I didn't really care whether he is sick or not that I will not tolerate him to continuing to behave the way he does as the rest of the family cannot exist with him that way.

That really calmed him down. He went out once to his buddies house under the guise of taking his son to see his momand smoked some weed. when he came back he demanded he needed pot to exist... but then calmed down. He is much mellower now and just concentrating on his music. I notice him running into the closet to have a screaming matches with his voices or ghosts... which is unusual as he used to do that everywhere. He just drinks coffee. smoke some cigarettes and takes a low dose of Ristperdone. We all know this does not last very long but we'll see. Best thing is he is not taking/demanding Concerta or smoke pot/fake pot so far. We are crossing our fingers.
 
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I'd look into getting some professional help for him such as a dr for his meds and one for counseling.
Try to monitor his drug use because those kind of meds mixed with alcohol have known to be bad news.
 
Drugs like ritalin really play havoc with schizophrenics. He should never take that drug ever with this illness as it'll only make him worse - a lot worse.
 
That all sounds like its very tough to live with. I agree with yteek. Try to get him a new Dr and better med control. Dude, they put me on Risperidone last summer and it almost made me relapse drinking booze and it absolutely intensified the delusions. Thats bad stuff man. Some people say Haloperidol is the dangerous med but like I said before, different meds affact in different ways. I found a right balance but before, when it was unchecked, I definatley hid in closets screaming about the voices and monsters. So, Id drink to become brave or tolerate it, or whatever. Things were fine when I was buzzin but once I was drunk, things would get very bad with me. Id wake up from a stupor, hungover and still hearing shit. Awful way to live. I think a sign of his instability is smoking cigs. I know they do not change your mental state like booze or drugs but if hes wanting smokes, hes nervous about something, probably the delusions. If he was on the right meds, he would not have delusions at all. He might be a little dulled out but thats way better, in my opinion, than hearing and seeing shit. I know youre scared for him. He cannot help how he acts. Hes got to take responsibility for his health, which is hard when youre mentally ill. Just my 2 cents cause Ive lived through it and can relate. Feel free to PM me if you wanna talk or have any questions. Later
 
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