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mecke on pills that are mixed MDMA and DXM

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What is the effectiveness of the Mecke test on pills that are mixed DXM and MDxx? That is, does the presence of MDxx skew the results of the MEcke in detecting DXM? Fakers are getting smarter and putting a at least some MDxx into pills and mixing with DXM. Will the mecke test provide a reaction for DXM when the pill also has MDMA in it? Will the reaction be limited (different color, etc.?).
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No idea. A general rule of thumb is to say 'The MDMA reaction overides all', but I don't know if this holds true for Mecke.
I've never seen this particular combination, nor do I see why someone would put these two combinations together. You have MDMA already, why mess with a winning formula?
 
with my mecke reagent the mdxx substance DID override all others. here's what it ended up having:
http://www.ecstasydata.org/viewtablet.php?ID=982
see my thread on what to do with the new combo pills on the market.
as far as reasons why...
im sure dxm is much easier to get your hands on than things like sassafrass.. pills like that are essentially all bunk, but they put some mdxx in there to fool us "smart" people that are using testing kits.
 
I've tried it and yes, it sux...
MECKE is useless if it is a DXM/MDMA mix.
The yellow reaction for DXM is NOT AT ALL visible because of the MDXX reaction.
If it was, for instance, DXM with MDA, Robadope would indicate so (indicate that it contains something else than MDMA)
Not so with MDMA (or MDEA for that matter).
aj
 
Not too many MDMA/DXM pills, but they are out there. In the US, there have been more of these tested than pills w/ PMA. I don't get your point about Mecke, for I don't believe that most average, or even experienced, testers could discern a pill containing both DXM and MDMA from one with MDMA only with any test reagent, period.
Mecke is a good test for the US market, with it's vast number of DXM pills, because the reactions are very different with DXM and MDMA, and up until recently, very few pills contained both. I have agreed in other threads that it is not in any way *superior* to the Marquis, but to say it "sux" is disingenuous.
[ 25 September 2002: Message edited by: djfriendly ]
[ 25 September 2002: Message edited by: djfriendly ]
 
^^^^^
I am AGAINST PMA from the word go, and my opinions on this are totally inflexible, but I would think a pill with an MDMA/PMA combo would be less harmful than an MDMA/DXM combo... Depending on amounts and dosage ofcourse..
[ 26 September 2002: Message edited by: mayday ]
 
who said Mecke sucks? I didn't see anyone say that. If you're replying to AJ's post, look under his name- he knows his stuff when it comes to ez-test ;)
I have taken mdma/dxm combo pills on two different occasions. one time it was just one, and it was one of the scariest things I've ever experienced (it was also my 2nd time rolling) and in recent past (the blue cherrie) I took 3.. and here I am, with no-decipherable brain damage that I'm aware of. The roll was "odd" and there were a few moments that I got a little concerned, but I didn't feel my life was threatened. I may just be lucky, but from everything I've read and seen, PMA is a much more dangerous substance than dxm. DXM recreationally (robo-tripping) is pretty common- you don't hear about people PMA'ing though.. (yes i know theres a diff when youre combining them with mdma) but I still feel you'd be better off with half dxm vs half pma.
 
I said it sux that a DXM/MDMA combo does not turn up (with MECKE which I tried). If that is the case, MECKE is useless.
The reagent itself doesn't really suck although we still think that (at least OUR) MARQUIS reagent suffices when it comes to pure DXM. Pure DXM will never show the typical purple of an Ecstasy like substance when tested with MARQUIS.
A couple of years ago, Speed was very common, and MARQUIS was just great to deal with that.
Recently, it is all about combo's. Pure DXM is not the problem, the combo's with DXM are.
Same with Ecstasy; recently a lot of pills seem to contain a little Ecstasy and may contain a whole range of other substances. That's where MARQUIS becomes in effective. That's also where MECKE and MANDELIN become ineffective.
Anyway, MECKE has a great colorchange when you test (pure) DXM; bright yellow ;-)
aj
 
Thanks for clarifying, I agree 100% with what you said here AJ. In your previous post, it seemed you were implying there was a reagent which, unlike Mecke, would indicate a DXM/MDMA combo pill. For this very reason, I have started preaching at DS that all US users who are really concerned about fake or adulterated pills should avail themselves of the free labtesting program.
According to the data at ecstasydata, the last 6 months have seen a dramatic increase of MDMA pills with additional ingredients, and although the test reagents will still pick out most of the truly dangerous ones, I for one am interested in MDMA only in my pills. The state of the market has forced this user to lab-tested pill only.
I beleive that testing kits have been behind the adulteration trends in the US in the last few years - first DXM came into popularity because careless or overly-optimistic users of the Marquis test could be fooled, now the trend is to include some MDMA in the mix to fool Mecke.
 
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