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MDPV - So how dangerous is it?

I find it compulsive, not particularly enjoyable, fine line before dosing too much also.

But, it's cheap, it lasts a long time, and as a daily stim it really doesn't seem too bad.

I don't do binges, I always sleep, and eat, just chase a bit a few times a day, sometimes more, sometimes less....

I can't imagine doing the amounts some people do, but I suppose nobody does when they start playing with new shit.
 
...So, someone comes to a forum asking for advice and you insult them? I do realize that I need to stop using, I would be a fool to not know that. What I am asking is if there is anything else I am going to need to do? Or if anyone has any information on why my circulation has gotten so bad/how to fix that. Thanks for your thoughtful reply though!
Yeah, Your right, you came here for advice, and advice is what you should have.
And not insults.

I apologize.
 
I find it compulsive, not particularly enjoyable, fine line before dosing too much also.

But, it's cheap, it lasts a long time, and as a daily stim it really doesn't seem too bad.

I don't do binges, I always sleep, and eat, just chase a bit a few times a day, sometimes more, sometimes less....

^Yep. I totally agree with this statement. Although I don`t find it compulsive in the way other stimulants can be(for me anyway). I haven`t had any in a few weeks,mainly due to using 4-fa and methylone and not wanting to mix them with the peevee.
The thing I really dislike about mdpv is that retardedly fine line between just enough of a dose and the "ah fuck,I felt awesome for 3 minutes and now I`m having a heart attack,or am I? No wait, it might be a stroke! Gotta get aspirin!" feeling when I take too much. Plus, I always have to take some kind of downer to avoid the paranoia.
I think some one here said that if you have to take a drug with another drug to make the first drug feel good,well that ain`t much of a good drug.
It does mix well with booze,which can be handy for a night out.
 
^ Agreed.

I only enjoy doses that high (>20mg) if I have a prior tolerance.

Sensible dose range seems to be 3-10mg.
 
Probably not -- it's highly unlikely. However, there may be a cumulative effect, and I'm not sure what it is that's accumulating. The same thing has happened/is happening to me as well.

What's for sure is that it isn't healthy, and isn't doing you any good. You can bet on that one. Chances are it's slowly damaging your circulatory system through increased blood pressure, poor eating habits, lack of exercise, etc. My own problem is that I find I really don't want to stop, even with that being the case.

Not long after I started using MDPV I noticed brief episodes of EPS/tardive dyskinesia as I was crashing. I have experience with first-generation antipsychotics like Navane, Mellaril, and Trilafon so I recognized exactly how serious this symptom is. Yet I continued using it for at least six weeks after that, in ever-increasing amounts. So I can definitely identify with your predicament. Dopamine-reinforced compulsive behavior sucks.
 
In reality, people are dosing 25mg or more, an redosing. Most of the indivudals who abuse this compound are unlikely to use a sensitive milligram scale to measure out their dose......


I have a friend addicted to methamphetamine smoked, and I gave him the MDPV which he admits partially substitute it. However, when i found he was smoking meth and MDPV, I recommended against this (theoretically a possible loss on the release side if MDPV is dosed prior to the meth, but in practice, i am not interested on finding out).....
 
In reality, people are dosing 25mg or more, an redosing. Most of the indivudals who abuse this compound are unlikely to use a sensitive milligram scale to measure out their dose......

Definitely. It's unfortunate, although at least its with MDPV and not some other, more dangerous, stimulant.

I started off with a .001g scale, measure out ~50mg and then using liquid dilution to more accurately dose out ~5mg rations. After a few months my scale broke, and by then I was comfortably enough with over and under dosing MDPV that I decided to just wing it (stupid, I know). Luckily MDPV is one hell of a forgiving drug, and other than temporarily confining you to looney-land, overdosing my a matter of ~10mg or so isn't a big worry, to an experienced user like myself.

tl;dr Without using a scale you will end up dosing to high, sooner or later, but the most it will realistically cause for you is a case of temporary psychosis/paranoia.
 
I used a (very good) milligram scale. I didn't even feel smaller doses (<10mg). So I had larger doses, measured on a scale (20mg x 3) and ended up with week long anxiety. The scale won't protect you (from dosing too high)! But it is still essential, if you're playing with such a strong chemical. It could have been a lot worse for me.
 
Yeah, Your right, you came here for advice, and advice is what you should have.
And not insults.

I apologize.

Wow, I definitely expected that comment to be brushed off. Thank you. I've been off PV for four days now, I can't say it has been difficult... I don't physically need it, but the desire is still there. I haven't had problems with circulation and my heartbeat has slowed to its normal speed. Everything seems to be back to normal.
 
alrighty, maybe im a bit like charlie sheen with this stuff.
But over the corse of i dunno the past... 3-4 days.
I've done maybe 200mg...
definite mood alteration...
Feeling a bit spacey, and
well the air is starting to get wobbles.
A'la Dubstep.

My Heart beat is never dramatically increased by this compound...
Nor do i note any real serious vasoconstriction...

Mind you everyday i have done any, there was always a one day rest inbetween...

I got a feeling that, i'm going to need a nice long nap, after this Hedonistic expenditure!!!
 
Did someone tried to mix some NMDA antagonists with MDPV against tolerance and craving when you end a session? I'm aware that it can be a dangerous game also.
 
Just sharing some info on BP and mdpv in the name of harm reduction. About 10mg vaped and bp is usually in the 160's/100 for about 20 minutes. Slowly drops to 140/90 then to 140/80 an hour after dosing. BP remains high until about 4 hours after dosing and returns to normal after 6 to 8 hours. My normal bp is under 120/80. This is without benzos or other pharmies. So...be careful everyone, especially if you have other health related issues. Definitely an increased risk for a cardiovascular event and damage from high bp.
 
Don't wanna get a mg scale or keep anything that could imply intent to distribute. How large does a 10 mg MDPV pile look? 20 mg?
 
Don't wanna get a mg scale or keep anything that could imply intent to distribute. How large does a 10 mg MDPV pile look? 20 mg?

cant do this! it really depends, sometimes there are small harder bits that weight much more than a bigger looking part of fluffly stuff!!

take care - don't worry about what someone thinks about you having a scale but about yout health!!
 
It is safe to assume that the VAST majority of those buying these "bath salt" formulations are NOT using a scale.

10mg of the compound would look like (VERY ROUGHLY) 1/4 to 1/2 of a single "square" on standard graph paper. This is an ultra-crude measurement, and DO NOT quote me on that, nor base you dosing accordingly. And this is assuming that the powder has been crush to uniformity, and does not take into account age, condition and exposure to light and moisture of the compound.

In the end......well......
 
The UK bath salts before the cathinone ban were a mixture of cathinones as far as I know not pure pv.

As far as it is physically, seems like a normal stim for the most part. Soaring heart rate, sweating, no hand shaking for me though.

Prolonged binges result in psychosis, how long this takes depends on if you grab some sleep and eat. The one thing interesting with PV is the way it induces audio hallucinations rapidly. Voices, cars etc, feeding paranoia.

My most recent binge involved 3 days without sleep, thinking a bus driver had contacted the police after he thought I had a concealed weapon. Involved me walking home hearing the police following me, eventually ended up with me losing my job and moving out.

So if like me you are compulsive and stupid, you can really fuck things up with it, it's best not trying it if you have a compulsive attitude towards substances.

Also order low amounts, start with oral, rather than breaking out the foil straight away.
 
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Its rather curious that MDPV seems to elicit such a rapid and characteristic toxic psychosis. I have abused cocaine and methamphetamine at huge doses for weeks (never got addicted), and never reached a toxic psychosis as distinct as the toxic psychosis caused by some 10 days of intranasal administration (with no sleep deprivation). There was no psychotomimetic effect until day 6-7, culminating on day 10, where I was walking through a shopping center and suddenly felt (not heard) "everyone is looking at you" etc, and even felt distinct impaired driving.

While this may not seem spectacular compared to the above post (and others), it must be understood that psychosis, especially paranoic in nature, is very difficult for me to induce toxicologically. Years ago I could take cocaine intravenously for 2-3 days, without any toxic psychosis. About 6 years ago, I abused intranasal d-methylphenidate for well over a year (up to 80mg/day, but never to the point of sleep deprivation), with no toxic psychosis. I have even felt comfortable at one point to drive a car after intravenous administration of ketamine (please attempt neither, I am just mentioned it for perspective).

Point is, MDPV is an odd psychotomimetic.......it almost has to be 5-HT mediated, but who knows. Interestingly, I had a moderately complex surgery scheduled 2 days after I reached that supermarket "paranoia". I was planning on excusing myself from the procedure. However, I entirely discontinued use that evening, and the next day, I felt no residual tox psychosis whatsoever, and the following day, performed the procedure as scheduled. While I may have a general disregard for my personal health/safety, I would never risk a patients life by being impaired. I must admit, in veterinary medicine, I carried out many a procedure high on oxycodone, but the stakes were lower, and to my knowledge, did not negatively effect a patients health.

This long winded dictation is courtesy of some rather effective android app.....my apologies
 
It might be a basic question but, what can somebody do when he is in toxic psychosis? Benzos or GBL/GHB might help? I'm not sure but I think I experienced psychosis once, but didn't recall very well. It was after a night on MD, and 4 days on mephedrone (not a heavy dosage but little doses spread to be awake, what a huge mistake). I felt that I was in a dream, but was awake. Really strange hehe.
 
Signs of initial onset of toxic psychosis can be vague, but include things such as auditory/visual disturbances, delusions/paranoia....etc....

The tricky thing is, it takes experience, a firm grounding in reality (ie, not prone to psychosis) and keen sense of perceptual toxicology to be able to recognize and discount such symptoms as being toxicological in origin. In acute cases, the individual may only realize such symptoms after the fact or upon discontinuing usage.

There is a pervasive myth that someone experiencing psychosis/delusions cannot express orthe admit that they are psychotic or under delusions. I have seen psychiatric patients with profound psychosis freely admit that they are psychotic or "insane". This is not just limited to those who are suffering with organic schizophreniform or other transient psychosis; schizophrenics can also acknowledged their lack of sanity. However, toxic psychosis, especially in its acute form, is rather tricky, particularly in individuals who are otherwise sane and not prone to psychosis. Because of the gradual onset, toxic stimulant psychosis is often highly realistic. The prevailing manifestation is of a paranoid nature. These individuals generally only are able to acknowledge their absurdity of their delusions after stopping or being treated.

Benzodiazepine withdrawal is somewhat different in nature. My first BZD withdrawal caused a distinct delusional parasitosis, without causing any other delusion/psychosis. During this first withdrawal I was rather certain that I was legitimately the host of some parasite (something very closely resembling 'Morgellons'). Eventually, this notion faded and disappeared. Years later, when I was going through BZD withdrawal again, the same exact same delusion appeared, however, I did NOT believe I was truly infested with some parasite. Nonetheless, the feeling persisted, including formication, visual disturbances of parasites, etc. Thus, I was experiencing delusional parasitosis, without actually believing that I was truly being plagued with parasites.

My overly verbose point (again, dictated), is that toxic psychosis is a tricky condition. In a sense, in order to recognize symptoms of toxic psychosis, while experiencing said psychosis, almost requires having had experienced and defeated toxic psychosis in the past. Thus, after using MDPV for around 10 consecutive days at rather high doses, I was able to identify a paranoia that was purely toxicological in origin, and discontinued its use. Again, this is not easy to do without having experienced these symptoms previously, and even then, it takes an inherently strong sense of reality to be able to differentiate accordingly....
 
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