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MDPV - So how dangerous is it?

I did experience psychosis on multiple occasions. I was doing a lot of MDPV though. My binges would be a few days too a week of near-continuous dosing. Why do you say it is 'toxic' (not saying it isn't)? Would it be any more toxic than someone who used the same amounts of MDPV but didn't experience psychosis?

I agree wholeheartedly with your comments about the 5-HT (or lack of) action. I definitely think that it becomes noticeable with continuous redosing of high doses, though. I get very nostalgic thinking about the way I would feel in the middle of a binge. That serotonin generated euphoria would creep up on me and everything would start to seem beautifully surreal. I would feel a lot different then than the first day or so of dosing.
 
As to the point of this thread, i am going to make an assumption that (if the product is pure), it should technically be less neurotoxic than methamphetamine

It's very easy for something to be less neurotoxic than methamphetamine. :P

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First, I'm a daily user. I use it as a substitute for a Ritilan prescription which works well but isn't enough to get me through the day.

One perspective is that daily use means I'm an addict but if that's true, I'm addicted to Ritilan as well. According to that definition, every person with a Ritalin prescription and daily use would be considered an addict so I'm not worrying about the label. I tend to think that if I'm taking a drug every day so I can feel normal then call it what you want, to me it's just normal, daily life

Anyway, at first I found MDPV very dose sensitive. I had a similar experience to others in that too much really sucked bad. Not fun at all. S in it really, really, really sucked. No question that an inexperienced user could get into trouble with this.

Now after several months my tolerance has gone up but seems to have hit a plateau. Now it has a very similar effect as the Ritalin does. Correct dosing gives me energy and motivation and I feel like I want to feel. Too much doesn't really have major bad effects any more than taking my Ritalin too soon does. Nothing bad happens. My tolerance has effectively made this chemical less crazy and more manageable.

I've never gotten any real euphoria from it which is ok because I'm really not trying to get high. I think it’s why the thought of not having any on a given day isn't horrifying. It would still be a drag to be tired all day but not something I'd rob a 7-11 just to buy $20 worth of.

Overall I’m please with this chemical. The learning curve took a bit to get through but now it does exactly what I wanted it to do.
 
Sorry you fucked yourself up with pv. Sounds like a horrible experience no-one needs to go through. Hope you make a complete recovery soon and thanks for sharing your story. That being said, I'd like to point out that it's entirely you who is responsible for what happened. You were tooting at a pace of almost 4g pv per week for 8weeks...which is an insane amount. The substance itself is certainly not to blame. Not trying to be harsh but just sayin' it like it is. 1sth4monic (guy with cloud9) shouldn't be discouraged from trying it because of stories like this where somebody fucked themselves up by doing way way too much. Keep the doses small and you'll be much better off.

I keep hearing this mantra, "the MDPV is not to blame, the user is to blame." But why is it that so many users seem so unable to use MDPV in anything approaching a responsible fashion - including some of Bluelight's most seasoned and experienced members?

Having experienced something similar to what OneTimeGuy describes, I'd say that MDPV can become extremely fiendish and compulsive without warning. It is extremely dose-sensitive - you can go along for months using a few mg here and there, but go a bit above that ceiling dose and something happens in your brain. The dopamine reward-response circuits get hijacked and everything else gets shunted aside in the quest for More, More, More MDPV. And breaking out of that spiral can be very challenging indeed.

I'm not advocating banning MDPV. But I do recommend serious caution on the part of anyone who wants to experiment with it. I understand why Bluelight's readers like to downplay reports that certain substances can lead to compulsive behavior. There has been all kinds of anti-drug propaganda which claims stupid shit like "marijuana invariably leads to harder drugs" and "take one hit of crack and in six months you'll be spare-changing and living on the streets." But let's not gloss over a large and growing number of reports that MDPV use can quickly spiral into MDPV abuse.
 
Yes, it is highly addictive (in particular, in a compulsive, binge-y sense when it is physically around). Whether that makes it dangerous or not, depends on whether or not someone gets addicted to it and feels unable to resist the pull. It can be dangerous in that sense. Like any addictive stimulant, it can basically trash your life, at least until you kick it.
 
Ultimately it is not the neurotoxicity or even acute toxicity that is of concern........it is the bizarre psychotomimetic behaviours users exhibit that is what ultimately leads to tragedies......sure it could potentially used in reward studies, but there are far more potent, receptor specific compounds to be radiolabeled. I am opposed to drug scheduling in general......but, at this point, I wouldn't consider much of loss. Obviously, any legislation that of this nature is legislaton in the wrong direction..........but the profiteers selling these compunds are at least equally, if not more, "in the wrong" so to speak.........
 
The bath salt manufacturers, sure. The peeps selling MDPV as an RC, I wouldn't say so. Typically, those buying lab-grade MDPV know what they are doing, as much as that can be known with a substance like MDPV. It's the bath salt idiots that screw it up for everyone, particularly the sales in head shops and gas stations.
 
Sorry to me taking 4g/week for 8 weeks isn't even useful info.....that's like someone telling us how fucked up they became after smoking crack every half hour for 2 months straight. Yeah, I don't doubt you fucked yourself up dude....sucks but what the hell were you thinking? I bet Charlie Sheen is slowly coming back to reality too :(

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Personally I think this stuff (and all other RCs) need to be the way they were years ago, with a few vendors and no easy finding on google. All of these damn companies selling Salvia, Kratom, 2C's, cathinones, jwhs and this stuff are all to blame for the current and pending legislation making them illegal. All it took was a few greedy ppl to ruin eveything.

Back in the day buying an RC from a vendor meant you had researched the HELL out of the chemical to even find the vendor. You respected and cautiously weighed doses. Now there's 15 year olds buying "bath salts" and having killing themselves and letting the whole world know about it.
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I'm not saying that people shouldn't report their long-lasting symptoms from drug use on here. We need the data. But someone whose daily use was what would last most people months or years is a few standard deviations from the center.

For the few time's I've used mdpv, I've noticed the following:

Oral: Dose 10mg, hits in a few minutes (5 maybe) lasts for 3-5 hours, then want to redose begins. High is nearly as good as snorted mdpv

Snorted: Dose 3-7mg hits in less than 30 seconds, lasts 45 minutes or so, then want to redose. High is less euphoric than cocaine, mdma, meth. I haven't snorted methylphendidate or d-amphetmaine recently enough to compare, but I'd guess I'd even take those two over a keybump of mdpv.

In both MOA I used the "lasts for.." part for the the initial warm and fuzzy high. However in both cases once that wears off a "cracked out" sped up feeling lingers for hours if you do not redose. I think this is one of the problems for many users - can't stand to come down so they just keep dosing.
 
preface info : I've been sniffing MDPV/Mephedrone on the regular for about a month now. I've had several 72hour+ long binges with either/or drug. The largest dosing time period was 15mg of MDPV cut into 100-120mg of Meow, doses roughly every 2-5 hours. Sometimes I would prepare the line to those measurements and just snag half of it then the other half just an hour later

While I agree there are a few layers of feeling when snorting MDPV, I feel like the initial blast of Euphoria trumps the fuck out of any cocaine and meth I've had.

Even now after reading what I've read about Mephedrone's shady ass ingredients, I can't say I'd really choose a stim other than MDPV given the choice Anything off the streets is absolutely disgusting for me to even consider anymore.. I really have no intention of freebasing that 2% inpurity (I've got the beige-tan shit) and I've been done with needles for about 2 years since I casually let me friend slip into potentially fatal addiction (He's almost completely tapered off his methadone dosing at this point though)

Not to mention having a table full of nose candy is the most social and enjoyable ways to have a drug, in my opinion. At this point I'd have to say a high quality stimulant such as MDPV is hard for me not to consider my drug of choice... Just to hopefully let some people know how badly this shit has hooked into me so quickly Imma post my lil background story



My instant synopsis of MDPV - What coke should be








Double post incoming, basically the moral of the one under this is : I have the ability to stop a month long run for the money with IV'd premos (Ice/Coke/Tar). Cold Turkey, rode out my last bit of meth once the other 2 ingredients ran out, randomly decided not to re-up. Smoked cigarettes and weed for probably 15 hours then I just felt sick and crashed










My worst symptoms were the physical fatigue from all 3 of them mixed with straight up nausea/dizzyness of tar. I was puking and not entirely comfortable for about 2 days. Regardless, I had no intention of letting any of that garbage enter my system any time soon.
 
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I've been shamelessly lurking this website on occasion for years and years, mostly when Erowid didn't satisfy my inquiries. And I'd like to say off the get-go that I seriously admire everyone here for their ability to keep drugs as known and safe and harm-reduced as possible. Mind altering substances fascinate me and I love to explore this universe under the influence.

Without Bluelight and Erowids.....man basically It's safe to say that if I hadn't have the privilege to read everything I need to know about a

substance before I decided 2x the MD50 was a good starting dose..Well of course we all know how many lives have been saved here, but quite frankly,

ignorance does not forgive stupidity. People like Moderators didn't save me from death, rather, you saved me from what could have been my hopelessly sad

existence in life.


I'm confident that without these vast banks of human knowledge, If I was forced to take Fox News' opinion of drugs as the indisputable truth, I

would simply be a drug-avoiding sober person for my whole life.
Socially, if I continued down my path of sobriety and still loathed associating with my peers, I was 99% likely doomed to become a complete introverted

nerd with huge issues. Drugs were not only my release from my own fucked up situations as a kid, but it was my ability to legitimately socialize with

others, enjoy myself, and really unlock one of the most beautiful gifts of life which is: open expression towards others and general compassion; True

companionship, if you will.




Basically, I've been told by 100% of my friends that I approach drugs in a very unorthodox manner. I look for not only new experiences, but new

extremes if you will.. I research drugs I've only recently come in contact with, and if I see fit I will set myself up for not a downward spiral of life

changing addiction, but rather an allotted period of my life where I explore a substance to the fullest. Basically I simulate addiction for myself, even

when I'm acting out of my impulsive desire for redosing, I have to choose to let those impulses form into action..I've always considered anything you

could call an addiction of mine simply a Pseudo-Addiction. Absolutely every substance I've come accross (Except Nicotine...cigs so passive-aggressively

have me by the balls) has only been able to tempt me into "synthetic darkness" by provoking the thought: "This is so good I think i'll do it for a while

as much as I can.." Oddly enough my brain has no trouble stressing the "for a while" aspect of that resolution.

The bitter part about this otherwise convenient aspect of my body is that Drugs are social, basically in retrospect one of my best friends steamrolled his Heroin addiction about twice as fast cause I was throwing in with him on a regular basis. His personal daily doses, given the relatively good tar we were getting when I was throwing in with him were anywhere from $40-$60(IV) dollars a day. He was to the point where he was stealing Thousands of dollars in expensive winter jackets from his work and selling them on Ebay for about 1/3 price so that instead of a 12-24 hour sale he would get a 2 minute sale. By the time he was selling jackets pretty much constantly, he was doing $60 shots in the morning just to avoid withdrawal. $80 would give him a desirable effect and he would need atleast $140 every day of his life, just to avoid becoming unimaginabely ill. He was stealing multiple thousands of dollars worth of jackets every week and selling them for whatever it took to stop the onset of withdrawal. The man I'm referring to is a brother to me and I still see him every day of my life. It's really hard sometimes to think that I really sat there and snorted my insignificant little spoons of monkey water while he sat there trying to register on collapsed vein after collapsed vein. Towards the end of it I could register myself etc just fine, but if I caught glimpse of him dosing himself, I would almost always just on-the-spot puke and be opening the car door as it was airborne




My "worst" little episode had me IV'ing 200-300ml of coke/ice/tar Premo's daily by the end of it, usually split between 3-5 doses throughout. The

coke and the tar ran out, I simply decided this time around not to set up another means of supply..Finished my gram-ish of just ice IV'd, and sat there

for 20 hours smoking weed and cigarettes until I could sleep... Woke up with a bit of fatigue, absolutely no desire for ANY of that shit again, and the

most prominent feeling I had was the shame of what kind of pin cushion I turned my arms into. I'm very white, and very inexperienced with needles..

Additionally over a solid 1-2 month of progressing to being FORCED to snort any of my fix.. Junkies would tell me that I was impossible to hit even when

people were shooting for me because I would miss 6 times in a row... it actually took an experienced hand and they would never get a register first try

on completely virgin veins. I've only delved into needles about 1-2 months of my life, thank god, I would



That's the last time I've touched Ice or Tar, Cocaine I've had a few bumps sniffed here and there but I haven't purchased any of those three nasty

trashcan salads of additives and cuts. Don't ask me how I worked up to a heroin tolerance where if it was just going to be tar in the shot (It was rare

I didn't have all three Premo ingredients anyway though) I could drop a nice 30-40 dollar shot and be good for the next few hours.




Sorry to write a novel, the reason I have my bibliography on bluelight post #1 is actually the reason I've created an account and I'm finally one of

those 2011 idiots asking where the "Phamily Blotter" is at... Forgive the wall of text as a first post though seriously lol





Anyway, I'm currently on a nice little run with Research Chemicals (Mainly MDPV [tannish colored] and Mephedrone) and it's gotten to the point

where based on what I'm seeing here lately, my continued use of these substances is somewhere in a grey area as to what kind of potential health and

mental affects im looking at.

I started trying the 2c family here and there, had a great time with them, but, but honestly all I really wanted to do with the 2c's was cap

them up and sell them to dance-going people. I'm not saying I won't get the fuck down on 40mg(oral) of 2c-i every so often. Or if I'm looking to go fly

places I tend to dose around 12-14mg(oral) of 2c-p. 2c's are simply occasional experiences that I want.



Eventually we ordered some Mephedrone...I fell in love about 2 minutes after I got done wiping the tears out of my eyes and swearing I just

snorted bathtub meth laced with margarita lime salt.


About 35-40 hours into our flagship Meow Meow binge, we get an order for our next little party favor, MDPV....At this point I've got 5 co-workers stayin

at the house dosing with me taking turns between friends houses in the same apartment complex next to work, completely calling out of work (And doing so

for the first time in my life without making the decision "Fuck that I don't want this shit job")



This MDPV bitch dresses up in just the right size of crotchless panties to conceal the fact that she's pretty much a hepatitis rancher. You

sit there with the tip of your dick sliding around a sluts libia, you're pretty much just ganna go balls deep. Might take her a while getting you hyped

up, but eventually you will say "I'm going to fuck this bitches brains out, in fact, I'm going to tie here to my kitchen table and run a train on her

with every friend I can think to call."


First of all, based on my previous...For lack of a better word, Immunity to some of the most life-alteringly addictive substances around: MDPV is

HIGHLY ADDICTIVE. I don't give a fuck what kind of study you have showing my Body doesn't want it. I'm hoping we can all relate to that utterly PRIMAL

feeling of "Why the fuck am I even using logic? I could be fucking this girl's brains out" If you've ever been in a situation where you're off-your-

balls horny and some random fuckable hole comes your way.


Sarcastic yet accurate analogies aside: That's basically where I'm at with this shit. I'm on my second, arguably third lengthy binge since the very

short lapse of time from my very first flagship dose. I've been sitting here all night reading the MDPV mega threads to make sure I'm not about to die

because I've always cut myself off by this point. Re-dosed ~15mg sniffed at 1am tonight despite tellin myself i gatta stop and just get off it to sleep

tonight and get my mind right. I concluded that around 9pm, last time i dosed before 1am was around 6pm (5-7mg sniffed). I'm dosing 5-10mg constantly to

simply be able to function throughout work. I did actually sleep about 4 hours last night, but before that I had been up from basically (Sunday 12pm -

Wednesday 4am) under the influence of nothing but Cigarettes, Schwag, and MDPV up the nose.


For whatever goddamn reason I'm not giving my body a break and It's to the point where I'm on the verge of another 9 hour day at work with only

one option : Dose through the fatigue. I was even to the point where I was comfortably relaxed and I could've laid down and been able to sleep. It's a

weird sensation having a plan and essentially watching myself break up a line despite being completely past the point of relaxed and fully off the

direct stimulus.

What I've noticed from this self-benchmarked extreme drug use that I haven't seen maybe 1 or 2 vague reports of, is that I'm constantly

hallucinating. everything is basically being distorted by very subtle wavy mostly transparent movements of light in my eyes. Honestly it looks like

everything is distorted by heat, but there's also some blank white traces of light moving around and the distortion is generally a 360 degree movement

rather than fixed rising. Oddly enough I can still focus on text and higher thinking to some degree.

My throat is entirely shot after my first lengthy encounter which progressed to chasing my dosage into the eventual integration of about 15mg of MDPV

into every 120mg line of Meow about once every 2 hours. In fact, after my first 3day4night ordeal, I got a fairly severe Throat AND Ear infection. Oddly

enough this worked because all of the work I missed I got my Doctor to write off. Two solid weeks and 2 full courses of different antibiotics, and I'm

now finally well enough to live and work like a human and not some Infection Zombie. Except now what do I do? Go sell the shit and take some bumps with

the customer.. then follow those bumps with another friend and say fuck It i'll just go to work tomorrow bumpin the bathroom all day and sleep after

that.


Granted I've been out of MeowMeow for almost a week now, my nose never really did get 100% better. I'm going to be quite honest here, the price on MDPV is absolutely bonkers. I could probably go to my home town and make EASILY 10 times my money back on like 3.5gs of this shit, I've got around 2000mgs in my pocket as we speak. I just sold/snorted that 1000mg bag same day I ran out before that since Sunday. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dealing, I'm sharing the love quite honestly...But... I've already sold 200mg to a friend of mine and both him and his girlfriend had a terrible tweakmare they just laid in bed for a solid 36 hours, couldnt function, I honestly couldn't fathom what special kind of hell they were in but apparently both of them snapped about 50mg at a time in some "bumps". This is after I explained the dosage ATLEAST 10 fucking times, I even weighed a 5mg bump out to the tee and told him to just "take keybumps like this". His roomate was calling me about 30 hours later asking what I sold them because both of them were twacked out to the point where they could only lay down, eyes wide open, so glossy it's hard to pierce light into the actual eye...they just needed to be shivering a little bit instead of grunting every 4th sentence yelled at them and I would have been calling EMS.





I really had no solid points to make going in to this, so if you're wondering "BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAAAAAN"

It doesn't
 
^^ Woohoo, peevee-ated rants ;). Now that's dangerous, folks.... MDPV can make you rant about MDPV. That's why so many people are ranting on the forum about MDPV... any questions? =D

P.S. Meow meow

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Yes, it is highly addictive (in particular, in a compulsive, binge-y sense when it is physically around). Whether that makes it dangerous or not, depends on whether or not someone gets addicted to it and feels unable to resist the pull. It can be dangerous in that sense. Like any addictive stimulant, it can basically trash your life, at least until you kick it.


Yeah, if you're
ever interested in giving this shit a 1night-stand, make sure you don't have the means to pick up a casual 2000mgs at 5am the next day, because you will be making that phone call. That's been my sentiments also atleast.

Best thing you can do is smoke COPIOUS amount of weed to try and snuff out that "pick up your phone....u can get more.....dude's not asleep...."

also i would get some simple but fast paced and interactive video games goin to kind of satisfy the leftover "get up why arent you moving, grab another bump and go smoke a cigarette"

(uninteresting sidenote: I've noticed that with MDPV, my First-Person-Shooter abilities have been increased exponentially even with minimal threshold effects. I picked up killzone 3 for the first time when coming down and went like 15-5)

I guess the only significance that could have is it's actually applying direct focus. Any times I remember being anywhere near that twacked out on ANY upper, Adderalls coke, meth, I couldn't even think about playing a videogame without my brain freakin itself out so much i had to go smoke a cig or something
 
My use is moderate compared to about 80% of what I've read online, but I've recently developed a frightening issue I suspect is related to MDPV use.

After upping my use slightly for 2 days, I awoke in the night with what felt like a heart attack--pain in the left arm/shoulder/neck that got worse with breathing or movement. This lasted 3 days, during which I did no drugs and just laid around.

Having dealt with gastritis/ulcer before, I suspected this was the issue and bought some Zantac and Prilosec. The pain got better for a day or so, then last night I awoke to what sounded like a "pop" in my right shoulder area (while lying still), followed by even more severe pain spreading from my shoulder to my neck. The best way to describe it is like hydrochloric acid slowly gnawing away at your muscles. It took me 30 minutes just to sit up.

While the muscles are painful, it is NOT a strain/injury and is obviously referred pain from somewhere else. I've also been really bloated, had some acid indigestion and feel really hungry all the time, which is what made me suspect ulcer.

Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has ever had an ulcer or similar MDPV symptoms? Can PV alter your bodily pH? I'm at a loss.

(Can't afford to go to the ER or Dr. right now but will make it happen if it keeps up or gets worse.)
 
I wish I could help, i've never done enough MDPV to have a reaction like that.. all it took was doing about 10 mg one night, spread out, to scare me away from it, that inability to sleep.. I still have a gram of it too :x
 
does anyone get hellish nausea on the comedown when taken orally?
have consumed 30mg...(10, 10, 10) orally and had a good experience with immense euphoria...yet the nausea on the comedown was intense!

Also had nausea altho not as bad, but still awful, on a 10mg dose.
 
does anyone get hellish nausea on the comedown when taken orally?
have consumed 30mg...(10, 10, 10) orally and had a good experience with immense euphoria...yet the nausea on the comedown was intense!
No... but I have not been enjoying PV much at all on the last couple 'runs'.

Last time around I burned out at under 48 hours and hallucinated my hands swelling up, and the comedown was so nasty I couldn't sleep for another 24 hours and was in an agonizing state of exhaustion/agitation... felt like my entire body was in pain.

This time I'm at ~16 hours, and have not had a decent high since the first hour or two.... I just feel burned out, despite a *very* solid week of lots of sleep.

I think I may be at a point where I need a freakin' month of catching up on sleep & food before I can enjoy PV normally again... a week of sleep apparently doesn't catch you up on three months of falling behind :(. I think that is the main problem, in fact -- chronic sleep deprivation. Gonna have to either find a way to do PV and sleep fairly normally, or can it for a good long while.
 
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Dedbeet – Sorry to hear you're not feelin' it as much this time around. Are you still on your NDRI medication?
 
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