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MDPV - So how dangerous is it?

Does anyone here just take PV in a similar manner to how they would take X? Or more specifically, how X should be taken...?

ie. dose once or twice..and thats it for the night? Its the only way I do it...never go into binges...
 
No, in fact, I have never taken PV 'just once', and I doubt many people have, unless they were just totally turned off of it from the first dose. It's like cocaine – if you like it, you'll keep it going. The peak only lasts 45 minutes at best, in my experience.

If your looking for a social, euphoric stimulant... MDPV is not it. You're much better off using Mephedrone (4-methylmethcathinone) or Methylone (bk-MDMA) for the purpose stated in your post above. If you try to use MDPV in that manner, it will most likely result in a binge, or at the least – a 'session'.
 
ektamine said:
No, in fact, I have never taken PV 'just once', and I doubt many people have, unless they were just totally turned off of it from the first dose. It's like cocaine – if you like it, you'll keep it going. The peak only lasts 45 minutes at best, in my experience.
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True, although I can definitely feel a high up until the 3 1/2 to 4 hour mark. Nothing beyond that, unless it's a matter of a "blood level" from having done it for days in a row.
If your looking for a social, euphoric stimulant... MDPV is not it.
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Amen. Then again, MDPV has lots of interesting, non-social stuff to offer IMO. Sometimes I think if man were a bit less of an intractably social animal, he might grow out of the need and be able to choose it instead, ya know? ;).
 
Okay, I hope you guys are still into this forum, because there is only so much google can provide for a reader. I have been using pv daily for about a month now, and I feel as if it is really taking a toll on my health.
First off, in the beginning of my use, I am fairly certain I overdosed on this little devil. I had snorted/smoked about 200mg in order to pull an all-nighter (and I did two times over because of it!) That day, I woke up, did a line (~10mg), started my day. Later that evening, I decided that I wanted to work through the night and did so, with the result of: my heart in overdrive, shakes, pupil dilation for HOURS (5am-3pm?), purple knees, the inability to speak over a certain volume, paranoia, depression, etc. I am fully aware that this was all due to my ignorance and lack of self control.
The day after the comedown, everything went back to normal. I was fully functioning, smiley etc. So I decided that it would be fruitless to quit pv at that rate. (But to control myself at the same time.)
Fast forward to the third week of using pv routinely, one evening when I did not have much to do in particular, I decided to redose for the sake of boredom. This night in particular I must have used at least 40mg of the stuff, and suffered from severe vasoconstriction that night. (My skin was splotchy, completely numb arm) Eventually, I slept it off and took a (brief) break from the stuff. (Friday-Sunday).
Now I am in the 5th week of use and am noticing many changes. To start off with, I have lost ~15lbs in a month. My muscle mass is much depleted. I am developing spider veins in my elbows, my wrists, upper arms, eyelids etc. My legs are constantly sore/stiff. The other night I had to go lie down because I felt as if the nerves in the left side of my face were beginning to burn out. My hair has also started to thin. At this point my heart no longer beats out of my chest, but subtly picks up in pace.
The thing is, I have really started to restrict my doses, going from ~20mg a day to only 5mg. I only notice these side effects long after the pv has worn off, from 5pm on.
I should also note that I do realize that I may be restricting my eating from ~2000 calories a day to maybe something closer to 1000. Although, there have been times when I've found myself binge eating, though those circumstances were when I was not on pv. I also have done an excessive amount of drinking and at one point had to take Plan B.
As of late, I've begun taking Fish Oil and Vitamin E supplements, but I really don't know what to do in order to redeem my health.

I would like to know why it has effected my circulation so significantly? And if this has become a drug I need to stay away from for a very long time. I'm sure there are many other things, but in time I am sure they'll come to me. Thanks!
 
...So, someone comes to a forum asking for advice and you insult them? I do realize that I need to stop using, I would be a fool to not know that. What I am asking is if there is anything else I am going to need to do? Or if anyone has any information on why my circulation has gotten so bad/how to fix that. Thanks for your thoughtful reply though!
 
lineallowsprogress said:
...So, someone comes to a forum asking for advice and you insult them? I do realize that I need to stop using, I would be a fool to not know that. What I am asking is if there is anything else I am going to need to do? Or if anyone has any information on why my circulation has gotten so bad/how to fix that. Thanks for your thoughtful reply though!
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Your circulation has gotten bad because you've used pv daily for a month.. While Fagott wasn't very nice his reaction to your post was pretty similar to mine, to be fair.

Honestly, I'd recommend going to a doctor, as it seems you could've damaged yourself in some way completely undiagnosable over the interwebs.

But if you're going to skip that, these are a few simple things you can do: light exercise, plenty of rest, total sobriety (no more caffeine/pot/alcohol), take a multivitamin, l-tyrosine, 5-htp if you're not sleeping well/feel depressed, and eat well-balanced meals.

That and flush your pv right now, if you don't want to take on the appearance of a tweaker. In the grand scheme of things, a month of use probably isn't too bad.
 
I'm sorry for my heated response, but I already know that what is going on is because of my consistent use. I was just wondering if anyone knew any specific effects that it would have to your circulatory system, ie: if I might have wrecked any of my organs. I know I have suffered some bouts of vasoconstriction (more frequent toward the latter of my use) and a quickened heart rate (resting after hours of non-use of the high 80s) and I now notice many of my veins through my skin (possibly the beginnings of varicose veins).

I will assure you all that this is the time for me to flush the remnants of my stash, but it won't be weeks until I can see a doctor. As it is now, I do not smoke weed, drink alcohol or caffeinated beverages. Though I do smoke a lot of cigarettes and I don't know how hard it will be for me to give that up.

Thank you for your response though, I really am just looking for some reassurance that I haven't completely fucked myself up. I will take everything you said into consideration.
 
lineallowsprogress said:
I'm sorry for my heated response, but I already know that what is going on is because of my consistent use. I was just wondering if anyone knew any specific effects that it would have to your circulatory system, ie: if I might have wrecked any of my organs. I know I have suffered some bouts of vasoconstriction (more frequent toward the latter of my use) and a quickened heart rate (resting after hours of non-use of the high 80s) and I now notice many of my veins through my skin (possibly the beginnings of varicose veins).

I will assure you all that this is the time for me to flush the remnants of my stash, but it won't be weeks until I can see a doctor. As it is now, I do not smoke weed, drink alcohol or caffeinated beverages. Though I do smoke a lot of cigarettes and I don't know how hard it will be for me to give that up.

Thank you for your response though, I really am just looking for some reassurance that I haven't completely fucked myself up. I will take everything you said into consideration.
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(The usual disclaimer: I am not a doctor and this is not to be taken as medical advice).

I suspect that your worries about your health are fueled in large part by MDPV Paranoia. Once you stop taking MDPV altogether - don't even bother trying to limit your use, because it ain't gonna work - you are likely to feel a whole lot better about yourself and find that many of the issues which were causing you anxiety are no longer a problem.

It could be that I am wrong. While MDPV is generally less cardiotoxic than some other stimulants, it is possible that you did some damage to your body. In that case, you should see a doctor as soon as possible. I would definitely advise you to get a checkup at your next available opportunity anyway, just to put your mind at ease if nothing else. And, in the meantime, you need to stop taking MDPV altogether.

As far as giving up cigarettes, I'd say for now you should concentrate on giving up the MDPV. Cigarettes are bad for you, but they're not a direct and immediate threat to your sanity.

Whatever the issue is, there's one thing you need to do right now, and that's stop taking MDPV altogether. Sorry if I'm repeating myself, but you really need to hear that message.

I had some good times on the Peev, right up until it turned me into a whiteface Richard Pryor on cheap Chinese crack. When this shit gets its hooks in you, there ain't no using it in moderation. The best thing to do is flush it and get on with your life. An l-tyrosine supplement will definitely help you getting over the crash, and 5-htp or Sam-E will be good for any depression issues. But the important thing is... well, you know what I'm gonna say so why waste the keystrokes?
 
lineallowsprogress said:
I'm sorry for my heated response, but I already know that what is going on is because of my consistent use. I was just wondering if anyone knew any specific effects that it would have to your circulatory system, ie: if I might have wrecked any of my organs.
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Probably not -- it's highly unlikely. However, there may be a cumulative effect, and I'm not sure what it is that's accumulating. The same thing has happened/is happening to me as well.

What's for sure is that it isn't healthy, and isn't doing you any good. You can bet on that one. Chances are it's slowly damaging your circulatory system through increased blood pressure, poor eating habits, lack of exercise, etc. My own problem is that I find I really don't want to stop, even with that being the case.
 
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Thank you, because I have been aware that I need to stop for a while now, but the thing is, I don't want to. My friend is going to take my stash to make sure that I do get rid of it and I am planning on spending a weekend sleeping and trying to just get past it. I don't know when or if you are ready to get off of it, but if this is the time, I wouldn't mind keeping in touch for support or whatever. At this point, I feel like I am in need of that... so if we're in the same boat I'm sure you would too.
 
^^ Fwiw, what I've been doing is taking the attitude "we've all gotta die some time", and just letting the PV do whatever it's gonna do... for a while, anyway. Maybe something will change my mind, but at the moment I don't want to quit MDPV permanently.

I figure that self-honesty is the best one can do, if not quitting. You have to keep your eyes open.

Hope it all works out for ya, whatever you end up doing...

Peace...
 
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Kenaz-- I hope it is just the pv paranoia, but I figure "better safe than sorry." I will be getting off of it, sooner than later.

as for Dedbeet-- I've had that attitude all of my life, but I realize, I am too young to say that. I hope you the best.
 
Once again, the dangerous arises not from the acute or gradual toxicity of the the compound but the bizarre and life alerting behaviours caused by its rather odd psychomimetic properties
 
negrogesic said:
Once again, the dangerous arises not from the acute or gradual toxicity of the the compound but the bizarre and life alerting behaviours caused by its rather odd psychomimetic properties
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Yeah, I agree... the compound itself is pretty safe, particularly as stimulants go.

Damn addictive, too.

Probably what happens in my case is they ban/schedule it, and it becomes too much of a problem to keep buying. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to happen.
 
I found that if I dose even 25mg over my limit I get scattered and I sweat like a pig. Other than that, I've never had any ill effects directly from MDPV. I've gone a bit overboard on how many days in a row I dose though. After three nights of no sleep, I am still coherent and I don't hallucinate, but I have trouble speaking clearly and I breathe very deeply.

After I come down, which isn't too bad for me, I sleep and eat more than normal for a day or two and I'm back to normal.

I guess for me, the key is moderation, which isn't a problem....yet I suppose. I've been doing it on and off for a couple years now.
 
Having read the whole thread, would it be a fair summary that most people find this not particularly fun and far too fiendish/addictive?
 
^ Yes, and thats coming from a chronic user.

It's very possible to develop a taste for it (what happens to most of us long time users), but if you haven't already I would highly recommend you just avoid it, there are far better drugs out there. The biggest advantage imo to MDPV was its price, legal status, and availability, which are all soon to change.
 
I think that alone it is pretty crappy.

Combined it is pretty damn good.

Smoked it is too good...
 
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