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MDPV - So how dangerous is it?
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I was admitted to the hospital with acute kidney failure last spring following a 3 day, 500mg MDPV session. GHB/GBL liver toxicity are well known sequelae of heavy, chronic users, although that is not me.
Were you drinking water during this binge?
I don't know enough about the kidneys to say if that would be a major factor or not, but.. I have binged too many times to count always using over 500mg at a time, usually around 1000mg at a time, and I've never felt any kidney pain that serious. I make plenty sure to keep hydrated, and try my best to keep nourished as well.
Just remember, for next time: Water can be dangerous, unless you do plenty of peevee while you're drinking it!
Kolmogorov
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Your renal failure was probably what whe call pre-renal acute renal failure. It happens when you get very dehydrated. You can be sure that this is what happened if the doctors just gave you IV saline and you were good to go in some hours or a couple of days. Intrinsic renal failure (this the kind that drugs may cause) should take at least a week to resolve. So I don't think peeve was the culprit.. Stay hydrated next time!
nuke
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Do you have any source(s) to back this up? Or is it just based off the often reported kidney pain that can follow excessive abuse?
I've found that I don't get any kidney pain if I take care of my self (eat good / hydrate good / sleep good / exercise good) before during and after (ab)using MDPV.
Ah, I stand corrected. Thanks! Does anyone have links to any studies or publications regarding this data? In the meantime, a-googling-I-will-go
See Boehringer Ingelheim's patent application for the data
From the side effects and abuse potential generally reported this drug seems to have marked similarity to methylphenidate in my opinion. There is a fair amount of outrageous abuse similar to abuse of this drug in BDD/OD.
Thanks, I'm digging now.
Speaking purely subjectively, I agree. I used to consistently abuse my prescribed methylphenidate when I was a youth, and as an Adult over the past few years I have had consistent runs of abusing methylenedioxypyrovalerone. While I feel the MDPV has an incredibly unique and hard to describe draw, hook, and euphoria, I think MPH is probably one of the closest substances I can attribute to it. The duration, timeline, tolerance, redose effectiveness, characteristics like that seem to be similar.
vortex30
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Yes, the whole point of my post was to point out that in both of our cases it is subjective and that this ought to be mentioned to anyone asking about relative toxicity of well-known substances vs RCs.
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you guys kick ass,
I recently aquired 350mg of MDPV and have been very wary of researching with it, that is, until I stumbled across this board. I appreciate all the commentary, which helped me understand MDPVs nature w/o taking it. So far I've been smoking it exclusively, tomorrow I'll prolly have a snort. Smoking it has not produced any fiendish qualities in my head. Very Mild, Clear focused buzz. Most noticable side effects would be rapid HR when I was working in my yard earlier and compulsive urge to maturbate, which has been obliged for the most part. As far as dose with smoking, i simply put a key bump in to a glass lightbulb and have been casually hitting it for most of the day.
again, i really appreciate the candid nature at which you discuss chemicals as it creates a harm reducing atmosphere. I look foward to consulting bluelight in future RC endeavors.
newtzilla
I recently aquired 350mg of MDPV and have been very wary of researching with it, that is, until I stumbled across this board. I appreciate all the commentary, which helped me understand MDPVs nature w/o taking it. So far I've been smoking it exclusively, tomorrow I'll prolly have a snort. Smoking it has not produced any fiendish qualities in my head. Very Mild, Clear focused buzz. Most noticable side effects would be rapid HR when I was working in my yard earlier and compulsive urge to maturbate, which has been obliged for the most part. As far as dose with smoking, i simply put a key bump in to a glass lightbulb and have been casually hitting it for most of the day.
again, i really appreciate the candid nature at which you discuss chemicals as it creates a harm reducing atmosphere. I look foward to consulting bluelight in future RC endeavors.
newtzilla
I recently aquired 350mg of MDPV and have been very wary of researching with it, that is, until I stumbled across this board. I appreciate all the commentary, which helped me understand MDPVs nature w/o taking it. So far I've been smoking it exclusively, tomorrow I'll prolly have a snort. Smoking it has not produced any fiendish qualities in my head. Very Mild, Clear focused buzz. Most noticable side effects would be rapid HR when I was working in my yard earlier and compulsive urge to maturbate, which has been obliged for the most part. As far as dose with smoking, i simply put a key bump in to a glass lightbulb and have been casually hitting it for most of the day.
again, i really appreciate the candid nature at which you discuss chemicals as it creates a harm reducing atmosphere. I look foward to consulting bluelight in future RC endeavors.
newtzilla
Welcome to bluelight
And thanks for sharing your observations about the atmosphere and nature of the forum. I have similar appreciations regarding BL.
Be careful with your PV. It sounds like you are doing a good job so far with your research, but just remember that PV can quickly turn very ugly (sometimes within a single redose), often times without the user even noticing until they are far too gone and its time to stop. With that said enjoy the ride, its one hell of a roller coaster!
:D
even w/o any chemicals, 3-4 sleepless 24hr periods will fuck you up. During my time in the service, my fellow servicemembers and I would embark on 3 day maintenance "binges." Staying awake for up to 72 hours with NO chemical assistance left me with many of the same symptoms you describe above. Perhaps it isn't the chemical so much as the sleep dep.
Also, i enjoyed your use of the term 'fuel.' it reminds me of nick cage in Leaving Las Vegas when he refers to the waitress as "nurse"
Welcome to bluelight
Be careful with your PV. It sounds like you are doing a good job so far with your research, but just remember that PV can quickly turn very ugly (sometimes within a single redose), often times without the user even noticing until they are far too gone and its time to stop. With that said enjoy the ride, its one hell of a roller coaster!
:D
Yeah, thats the recurring theme that EVERY psychonaut on this board agrees on, too much PV is too much PV. I'm going to stick to smoking today, get some sleep, and if im up for it try insuffilation or an oral dose tomorrow. thanks ektamine!
ebola?
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Crystalline methamphetamine is available for sale in black markets throughout the United States. 
ebola
ebola
Its funny I've read numerous times people saying they had came off their methamphetamine addiction by switching to MDPV. I've done both a fair bit through all ROA's and I would think it to be the opposite. Maybe it just really comes down to the price-to-effects ratio.
Crystalline methamphetamine is available for sale in black markets throughout the United States.
ebola
Yeah, I know, but its path eludes mine nowadays more often than not when compared to days gone by. Tighter precursor control has worked wonders for law enforcement in the cases of sassafras oil, pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, and 1-phenylpropan-2-one.
sirfranny
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Fwiw, I almost always get withdrawals with a similar feel after running out of peevee; a sort of intense, agitated dysphoria that has me moaning and groaning from the discomfort. I attribute it to dopamine depletion... it always goes away pretty fast, but is very unpleasant. Definitely lasts longer than "when I put the bag down".
Didn't mean that to come off 100% literally.
Heh, sometimes I forget I'm talking on te internetz
Sorry... probably shouldn't have taken it so literally. Oh well, just talkin'...Didn't mean that to come off 100% literally.
Heh, sometimes I forget I'm talking on te internetz