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mdpv paradoxical effect after long term use

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snubi

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myself and anyone i know who is and have been addicted to vaporizing MDPV.
reaches a point in their addiction where they get tired after each hit of mdpv instead of getting energy, and if you smoke a little to much you will simply fall a sleep/pass out.and then you usually wake up 3-5 hours later.

i have never experienced this on any other stimulants i have been addicted to.

anyone dare to speculate as to why this occurs?
 
I'm not sure, MDPV is an NDRI like Methylphenidate, and some people say Methylphenidate is sedating in low doses, but they're referring to using it medically for ADHD. I've been addicted to two RC stimulants, 4-FA/2-FMA(4-fa is a serotonin/dopamine releaser like adderall mixed with a little MDMA, 2-FMA is more like d-amp), and I still have no desire or even the ability to sleep after taking them. I don't vape either though, oral and occasionally intra-nasal with 2-FMA. Strattera, another medication that's an NRI, is sedating to most people, maybe you've gained a tolerance to the DRI effect and only get the NRI effect now.

Why NRI's are sedating, I don't know. NRAs like ephedrine are stimulating.
 
My friend once passed out right after taking a huge hit of meth off a pipe. He slept like a coma for 10 hrs. He had been up god knows how long, maybe no quality of stimulant can stop the natural urge to sleep after a while?
 
Hiltoniano said:
My friend once passed out right after taking a huge hit of meth off a pipe. He slept like a coma for 10 hrs. He had been up god knows how long, maybe no quality of stimulant can stop the natural urge to sleep after a while?
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yes i have seen this happen aswell. but thats due to sleep deprivation, i bellieve this is entirely diffdrent

i started smoking mdpv 10 days ago, i have smoked a total of 1070mg. i have slept every night using serpquel or triazolam.
but now ive reached a point where a hit makes me relaxed, calm and euphoric.

instead of making me wired, jittery, and euphoric

vasoconstriction and tachycardia is less severe, compared to the first 5 days.
 
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Similar findings with a-PVP here. Been smoking for 10 days straight, 4 nights of lame sleep. Been using pretty regularly since June. Ive been eating a lot of good stuff the whole time, exercising and stretching, never letting my BPM get above 130 for an extended time, and drinkiny a lot of water, I also cleaned my house spotless and reinvigorated my close relationships.

A las now the a-PVP is starting to have its way with me. I just cant stop vaping it. Its calming and extremely euphoric now that my tolerance is high; cant be good. Today I gave the rest to a childhood sober friend who is locking it up tight for the foreseable future. I may experiment in a few -years- but probably not.

On the positive side, and this may sound a bit deluded, but my use has been positive in the grand scheme (got things done Id been putting off for years) It made me realize I need to have a sober life to truly be happy which would have happened in the coming months or year, the alpha showed me the time is now. Drugs lead nowhere but down, for me at least...

I know if I continue vaping the downward pull of a-PVP addiction will only get exponentially stronger. Now that is a scary thought.

See you all on the sober side <3

Wish me luck!
 
^considering the normal dose for a non-tolerant person is in the 1-15mg range, then yes, 500-1500mg over 48hrs is a fuck of a lot. Considering the rapid rise in tolerance to, and the extremely re-enforcing (fiending, desire to redose) nature of PVs it may not be all that much to some of the hard-core.

Overall it's a shitload of a potent chemical that is not terribly well studied. Ease up, you may well end up with serious damage (neurological, cardiovascular, who knows...) years down the road, not to mention severe psychosis sooner than you might expect.

Just sayin'.
 
Its wierd that no one have brought this up before, as im sure its somewhat widespread, as it happens to everyone i know who vaporize MDPV for extended periods of time.
i guess its due to either dopamine depletion or norepinephrine depleteion, as you still get euphoria, im guess the latter. Or could it be the rate of which dopamine is oxidized to adrenaline?

after i posted this thread, I continued vaping MDPV everyday, i slept at night with 75-150mg seroquel, and continued to get extreme euphoria. but one night, basically between 2 hits i got completely immune from MDPV
i ended up smoking 650mg over the cource of 3.5 hours, and got no effect at all, i then gave up, gave the rest to a friend and took 300mg seroquel. in the following
3-5 days i felt slightly depressed, tired, and a bit of cravings. 10mg diazepam a couple of times a day helped a lot.

i have not noticed any longterm side effects of my on and off MDPV addiction which has lasted a year or so.

i was wondering if people who have been, or are addicted to smoking meth or crack has experienced something similar?

I know MDPV is not healthy for me, but im guessing its less harmfull than crack, meth, or heroine(because of the lifestyle, not the drug itself)
 
No...its worse. I hardly vaped but mostly insufflated my doses of mdpv. I think before I went into treatmentment I was probably doing 20-30mg hits every 30mins-1 hour and a hour. Would probably go thru a gram within 4 days to a week. Thee stuff I wasgetting in the end was the very euporic tan stuff that made you feel great, some good energy but not speedy. It also seemd to have alot ess side effects as most of the MDPV I had ever had previously, but I'm tellling you, this pv was unlike anyother and after having it once I couldn't do other pv afterwards because it was all shit compared to it. Eating was not difficult with it, sleeping was easy if you didn't stay p all night having sex, which was quite compulsive with it. But not too many aweful side effects while taking it daily. However, I got into treatment on a thursday and was higher than a kite. Come saturday they had to drag me out of bed and I would fall asleep as soon as I hit a chair or got to the destination we were headed. Sunday morning I had such depression and the worst anxiety I could ever image. My insides felt like they were going to burst out of my chest. I was shaking at times almost violently so much it would hurt my neck, did a lot of twitching and had the chills and my body all around was sore like I had the flu but times that by atleast 10. That stayed the rest of the day and the day following. Slept and almost anytime I got to a chair and couldn't stay awake for over 2 hours for probably the first 7-8 days. ON the 14th day was when I finally actually came to. I didn't feel great, but the worst was over and I could see the light at the end of the tunnel. SO maybe it had to do with the way my body was chemically dependant a bit more or the chemical itself was different breed than any over PV on the market then so it could had been that. I had also went into a complete on and off psycosis about 2 weeks prior from a 3 day methylone bidnge and overdose. SO I'm sure that weighed its toll in on me too.
The next time i went to treatment my body was chemically dependant on MDPV but not the same stuff as I wass sgetting previously, but also was doign alot of 6-apb at the time. That withdrawl was just as bad bad the bad part of detoxining it was only 2-4 days and most of that was anxiety, a lot of DEPRESSION, and irritability.
 
Besides my trips to rehab I had days of soberity. Mostly just a day or two. Once I had went three days and another time had gone 10days. The time that I had 3 days clean and the time I had 10 days, at both those time periods I was sleeping 6-8 hours EVERY night. I noticed if I ran out in the evening, the next day i could wake up fine and normal. Have me a coke or a drink with caffine and stay awake for a good 10 hours. But after 10 hours, no energy drink invented could keep me from falling asleep. On the 3 day period of soberity I slept at all times but would wake up once, maybe twice to eat...and eat ALO1 On the 10 day period of soberity I did that same thing for about 5 days. Then the next five days I was still pretty much sleeping atleast 18 hours a day and when i was up I would be eating non0stop like I couldn't possibly get enough food in me.

My explainatin for this qould be that even though I may had been getting plenty of sleep as an average person would had, but because my body had been going and going at a faster rate than a normal person does, such as heart rate as well as I found myself quite functional and active on mdpv for the most part and soo my body was probably simply worn down. And no, I'm not forgetting to mention the obvious which is that my body was dependant on getting tha drug regularly so that was a part of the body shutting down. I am aware of that as well.
 
The people in my life who have gone through methamphetamine withdrawal describe almost the EXACT same withdrawal effects. When I used to binge on dextro-amphetamine when I was younger I would reach a point after 4-5 days where I couldn't get high anymore and I actually collapsed and passed out for a few hours, it's like my body couldn't take anymore and was like "fuck you I'm getting some motherfucking sleep". I have heard of people staying up for much longer than that though, based on my own experience these effects that you've been getting seem to be achievable on most decently powerful stimulants when people abuse them and go on binges. Somebody with more experience might be able to chime in with better information though, I haven't binged on any stimulants since I was in my early teens.
 
^If you take high enough doses of meth you can stay awake for 2 plus weeks, but you can't really get that high past a certain point....That's the danger of having access to pure cheap shit...you're just tryin no to crash
I guess your dopamine gets so severely depleted, your brain needs a break to produce more. Over time, it kills your ability to feel normal and changes your personality.

MDPV was a nightmare for me. I did some stuff called "tranquility". Talk about false advertising! shit..
First time, I IVd half a gram.
My heart rate was in the mid 200s...
I was having hot flashes and dizziness...cotton mouth...
I really think I came close to dying!....
I bought three more half gram bags of the same stuff and tried to start with smaller doses but to no avail.
I thought it was complete garbage and pretty much everyone I know whose ever used a true amphetamine or a "proven stimulant" pretty much agrees...
It does feel most similar to a huge, nasty dose of ritalin....to me anyway
Can you die from MDPV?
 
k soo i just experience this for the first time... it is now at the point where if i DONT take a hit, panic striked me within 5 minutes, when I do take a hit, i feel calm and sober, for about 2 minutes... goddamit!
 
Hiltoniano said:
k soo i just experience this for the first time... it is now at the point where if i DONT take a hit, panic striked me within 5 minutes, when I do take a hit, i feel calm and sober, for about 2 minutes... goddamit!
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Yikes. Have you considered tapering/cold turkeying? I would hate to get like that with a stimulant.

Do you get sleep at all?
 
Woahhh man chill haha. I'm not the next BL mdpv addict here, ala soap mctavish. It's just on this one night binge I am now done with(currently coming down actually). I guess I forgot the title said long term use, as it was only like 150mg over the course of about 14hrs. Check out my posts in the OD social about it. It was an odd thing to experience, the high was so tweaked out that the only time I wasn't having panic thoughts was immediately after doing more. Idk man.
 
Sounds like a good time.

The sleepyness has got to be from chronic exhaustion. Straight up being comfy after a big dank hit and going to sleep

Im exhausted as fuck
 
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