MDPV Megathread 7: ektamine, we all approve and miss you

[SpecialK_]

This stuff has been around a good while now and I would be interested in hearing, if people don't mind posting, any long-term effects they have noticed from vaping or snorting regularly, or even daily, for a long period of time and have since stopped for a while.

 

[Mailmonkey]

i was vaping pretty much daily for 2-3 weeks at a time, then a week off, then another 2-3 weeks and so on.

Felt like shite. Dead fingers, toes, cold, stiff arm, chest pains, paranoia.

Improved with no long term effects (noticeable ones anyway) at all.

tbh, always felt better just after a few days break between using.

 

[SpecialK_]

Alright finally after contemplating it I was given a couple 100mgs of this by a friend to try out. I'm going to try to keep things sniffing only (no vaping) what doses should I start off with or should I even? Is this stuff good or am I just looking at a once I start, can't stop fiending until I'm left with stim psychosis? Is it alright to just rack a few lines of this, have a shitty comedown/bit of trouble getting to sleep and that's it?

 

[Mailmonkey]

it's absolutely shit.

i should have 500mg later today

try 10mg to start. You'miht not notice much, and if you do you may well just feeltoxic type effects, but you'll prob still be compelled to do a bit more, or wonder what vaping it will be like...

DON'T "just rack a few lines of this" things can get bad before you realise it

 

[Acid4Blood]

am I just looking at a once I start, can't stop fiending until I'm left with stim psychosis?

pretty much, yeah.

Is it alright to just rack a few lines of this, have a shitty comedown/bit of trouble getting to sleep and that's it?

Compulsion to redose far overpowers one's ability to handle a shitty comedown.
"Bit of trouble getting to sleep"........ More like "Sleep?.... What's that & what has it got to do with me?!"
A fist full of midazolam was usually required to knock me out throughout my peevee habit. Altho several weeks/months into a binge it turns full circle & one merely requires a hit of peevee to become relaxed enough to "sleep"/pass out. Thats how fucked up you're dopamine depleted brain becomes on this stuff.

what doses should I start off with or should I even?

Probably not but you probably will so my only advice is to start low. Like 5mg, cos 10mg lines become the norm very quickly. Initial doses are never that enjoyable IMO, apart from the rush. Day 2 or 3 is when it all starts to change dynamic & the world begins to look very different.
I, for one, never want to go back there.

 

[SpecialK_]

Thanks for the info, gonah probably end up doing this anyway. I think I'm going to try low doses just to see as I'm not really after a stim binge at the moment. Want to see if it works a bit like speed but different. Keep meaning to dose but it's getting too late in the day and don't want to be up all night - no benzos at hand either.

 

[benson7]

I'm joining the pevee bandwagon, better late than never I suppose.

Is it worth dabbling with this stuff on weekend? for example if I snort a line on a Friday night and re-dose on one more occassion in the early hours of saturday am I likely to get any sleep on sunday night without benzos?

Any comments welcome.

Cheers

 

[mydrugbuddy]

for example if I snort a line on a Friday night and re-dose on one more occassion in the early hours of saturday am I likely to get any sleep on sunday night without benzos?

Any comments welcome.

Re-dose on MDPV once ! ?

You will need willpower of steel to do that. If you could stick to that plan IMO you would easily sleep by Sunday night as the PV would have worn off and you would be exhausted. But it seems that re-dosing can become compulsive for many people why try PV.

 

[benson7]

Thanks for the reply man, I'm well versed with mephedrone and speed and usually snort from Friday to Sat morning and manage to get some sleep on the sunday before work on the Monday. I'm hoping that MDPV can be used in a similar fashion.

 

[Mailmonkey]

if you do a moderate amount of peevee you'll sleep sooner than after speed, but if you do a lot of peevee you'll stay up forever.

 

[Riklet]

to counter the omg psychosis stuff, i've used PV loads of times and never gone on a wild bender with it until I did it all, never had any kind of psychosis (had a bit of a freak after staying up all night then smoking some and trying to revise in my old uni library though).

like any stimulant it's possible to use and abuse. i actually think people seeing it being abused here for some reason makes people assume it'll happen to them too so they might as well keep sniffing etc. nah.. it's called self control. my old housemate used to do MDPV as well and he found it massively useful n used to use it as a functional stim, never fucked up on it once. the trick is not doing big doses and not redosing much.

some i know n love on here think i'm a boring cunt (because I am, haha!), but i've always had good times with PV, and a decent into psychotic stimulant hell sounds like about as un-fun as you can get to me, so...

 

[Silverfox]

"Due to its high potency and in order to minimize the risk of it's illegitimate use - minimum order quantity of MDPV is 10 gr."

There is something very, very wrong about this statement.

 

[Silverfox]

I had never taken PV until last summer when I bought a g because I was curious to know what all the fuss was about. I never really 'got it' (unlike with 4-mmc which I 'got' almost immediately). I never felt any euphoria, regardless of dose, although I did feel some mood enhancement and certainly plenty of functional stimulation, and I soon found that I was taking a line or two daily as a pick me up in the afternoon. Although I never had a binge on the scale I have read about here, I had one 5.00 am session of madly focused internet research (serious research not porn) and a really unsatisfying wankathon until dawn when I thought 'this would have been so much nicer on meph, why the fuck am I still up? The last time I looked it was only 3.00 am, how many bumps have I had since then, where did the night go?' The only 100% productive thing to have come out of it, and I still find it unbelievable to this day, was finding the motivation and skill to wallpaper my bathroom, a job I'd put off for over five years. I spent eight hours non stop working and all the time I thought that I'd suddenly come around wondering what the hell I was doing and not have a clue how to finish the job, but instead it was a perfect finish.

But I think that I only discovered the really sneaky bad side of PV in retrospect since I stopped taking it about 3 months ago (only when I ran out). When I was taking 5 to 15mg (or was it 20mg?) every day as a livener, I found it hard to function without that hit, and I became extremely emotionally labile without realizing that it was the PV causing it. So instead of reacting rationally to the bad stuff that is part of life, I became very angry and depressed and behaved quite irrationally by internalizing it. Looking back I was an emotional mess and didn't once connect it with the PV, rather, I would just have an extra hit to get over it. I can hardly recognize the person I was then.

So I would just say, be careful, it can affect your life even if you don't go on binges. I get the feeling that it 'resets' your dopamine levels in a subtle way so that you become dependent without necessarily feeling an obvious craving.

 

[Acid4Blood]

I can hardly recognize the person I was then.

+1

 

[Dedbeet]

Hi All - psychotic aPVP "fun"...

Wish I could tell the story of my last run with a-PVP (or partial run, the baggie got lost somewhere on the way) but in case these forums are monitored I will tell an altered version that's very similar to what happened.

a-PVP quite honestly is even more psychosis-inducing than MDPV, and it's a worse sort of psychosis, IMO... MDPV makes you cloudy and scattered, nutty, but a-PVP can make you viciously insane and crazy if abused... flat out paranoid schizophrenic psychosis. Reality plain old forgotten.... gone. The new "reality" in your mind, which is True.

Basically after the first 2 to 3 days of messing with it, I stopped and got a few hours of sleep, but then picked up again and wasn't able to stop due to the compulsiveness and started believing the stories in my head... two opposite ends of the universe in which time converged at the beginning and the end and there was a great drama involving an evil race of demons vs. the human race itself, with me as God (or the devil, depending on who is deciding).

There was a race of demons that tried to keep life from ever getting started, and I was life itself that had crawled up from the center of the earth and begun on the planet surface. MDPV was a "drug of gods" that was supposed to foil this race of demons, but they found me out before I could complete the plan and destroyed all life.

And basically life never got started. About the time I was thinking this, I was trashing my bedroom, trying to destroy the frozen race of demons (after lying in bed for hours mumbling strange phrases, chanting, seeing hands dropping knives, bodies merging together after twisting into strange shapes, God dictating to the devil)... but then I realized that I was on the OTHER side of the universe, totally alone, on the planet Beta Alpha Centauri in the year 47,900,000 A.D. (instead of on Earth in the year 1378 B.C. where I should have been) and it would not be possible to re-encode the universe atom by atom in words and stop the destruction of all life because THEY had succeeded at perverting my plan on the computer, where they showed me a devilish poem involving a sad little child that had wiped out my ability to stop them.

So anyway, a pounding on the door (it was cuz I made noise trashing the room, but I thought the demons were here for me). Me cowering under the bed, begging for mercy, because my fate was to be tortured in hell for all eternity, being Good/God... which had failed.

Being torn out from under the bed going "noo, noooooo... anything, anything..." moaning, crying and begging, my clothes stinking so bad they would have made u vomit, handcuffed, couldn't breathe... my voice got low like a devil... I was taken outside, it was freezing, put in an ambulance and fed pure carbon monoxide (so I thought) which dried my mouth out and was prepping me for pain/torment... and I was lying there going somewhere begging "please... anything... please" because my fate was eternal pain and hell.

Nice that it all ended with Haldol, a catheter in my penis and a few hrs. sleep in the ER.... a far better fate than I thought I had deserved.

Don't mess with MDPV or a-PVP.

If you do, take every frickin' precaution you can possibly think of.

a-PVP in particular, if abused, is EVIL. I mean it... EVIL. There is a sense of Lucifuge, satan, the stench of sulfur and gas ovens about it. Don't mess with it, or if u do, treat it like it can take you to hell temporarily and show you what it feels like and what your fate is going to be. Seems here it can produce a deeper and more comprehensive psychosis than MDPV, involving the total absence of normal reality... at some point I was totally unaware I was even using it at all, so how could I have stopped?

 

[SpecialK_]

Sounds like a bender of a weekend, hope you're well.

 

[Dedbeet]

Reflections on dopamine, anxiety, MDPV and PV-like substances

Dopamine is very raw, animalistic, hedonistic, wildly abandoned.... this is why people do it, and why they risk the issues associated with it. To enjoy it fully, however, requires the abandonment of all fear of injury and death. Normally this is the block -- the point where "peevee anxiety" comes on.

Believe it or not, *stimulants cannot and do not cause anxiety*. None. Zero.

Anxiety, paranoia and panic are psychic states, not physical states. Peevee affects body and brain chemistry only.

The psyche is affected by thoughts -- how much did I take? Am I in trouble? Will it hurt me? This doesn't feel 'normal'.... 'I've been awake too long'... 'my coloring doesn't look right'... 'someone is out to get me'... etc.

At some point, I got beyond MDPV/a-PVP anxiety altogether -- not kidding. Any dose is possible for me now, without "panic" or paranoid symptoms. The positive side is more euphoria. The negative side is dopamine overload with little or no warning, meaning loss of consciousness, literally -- I'm no longer conscious of what I am thinking or doing, behaving like a mechanism, with no will or decision making ability at all, only the desire to get a will, make a decision.

This got ridiculous on my last 'party', totally out of hand. At about day 3, time vanished, will vanished, choice vanished, and I spent what literally felt like several thousand years (it was around 24 hours) living a mental dream, believing reality was creating itself as it went along, trying to affect the dream, change it, make it different and failing utterly. At some point I was a puppet, a robot, a mechanism -- for what felt like tens of centuries.

Do I dread this? No. I didn't care... it was merely bothersome, irritating to be a mechanism that doesn't want to be a mechanism.

P.S. at the stage right now where my own writing/reflections are getting fascinating, and taking note of this -- as I start to believe my stories when they get unduly important and that's where the unreal becomes real.

Peace...

 

[sockpuppet]

Glad you're "okay"!

Great accounts. How would you rate the new stuff to peevee in perv terms?

Hope you stay safe as possible!

 

[Dedbeet]

Glad you're "okay"!

Great accounts. How would you rate the new stuff to peevee in perv terms?

Hope you stay safe as possible!

I don't quite know what to think, as things are SO much different this time around (FAR better, although as always compulsiveness is going to be a serious issue). I've vaped enough to knock down a racehorse or two in the past 20 hours but there's nothing but physical tiredness, mild to moderate tweakiness, mild sketch/scatter and the occasional delusional interpretations of sound that signal onset of sleep dep. No insanity, no getting lost in bizarre and absolutist head stories, nuthin. Still some sexual fireworks, although they are diminishing.

Well honestly tho, the real trouble didn't really start last time until after mebbe 50 hrs running + a few hours of sleep. I got up feeling totally shitty, burned out, exhausted, weak, and was stupid enough to pick up again instead of eat and go back to bed. Then reality went bye-bye, *really* bye bye and I didn't even know it was gone.

First I spent several thousand years in (essentially) nothingness, acting and thinking as a puppet mechanism with no will, and reality creating itself as it went along. Well, it was probably 30 hrs. or something, but to me it lasted thousands of years. I could affect nothing, do nothing, change nothing, merely witness what occurred.

Then I was alternating between Alpha Centauri in the year 789,222,444 A.D. with only me and a race of demons on the planet, and Earth in the middle ages B.C. attempting to begin the human race from my humble beginnings in the center of the earth and having trouble saving myself back in the past from the future across the galaxies because the devils scrambled the decoding sequence, foiled my attempts to rejoin myself from my separation as two ordinary office girls and God (all in different bodies) and prevent the destruction of life itself before it even got started, through working on it on a PC (which was really a Commodore 64) after it had ended.

The details above are from memory, but they are true, with minor differences in the order they took place... as u can guess, this was not a simple nuttiness. I believed everything I was thinking as the truth, as I thought it, and interpreted anything that happened in my surroundings to fit into the story.

Oh yeah, as it's actually quite interesting now to talk about this (*although deep in the ninth circle of acute madness, what the fuck, it's over, and my own thoughts are quite fascinating right now).... I'll mention that I also forgot and was unaware I was still vaping/taking hits. I just didn't know. What did I think I was doing? I didn't think anything. The foil pipe/baggie were in reality, and I was elsewhere.

 

[sockpuppet]

because the devils scrambled the decoding sequence, foiled my attempts to rejoin myself from my separation as two ordinary office girls and God (all in different bodies) and prevent the destruction of life itself before it even got started,

I have never experienced stim psychosis (though I get very wiggy from relatively little sleep dep) but have been around enough tweaked and psychotic stim people and had the classic little empty vial of coke bugs waved in my face but this is far and away the most florid and intense delusion I've heard. I like it very much even though it's probably not as much fun for you...

FWIW though - my gut is that if the two office girls and god had a threesome the universe and the one imagining it might be reconciled. Or not....but it would make a good next chapter! ;-)

please keep posting regardless of what you do - be well...