MDPV Megathread 5: Waiting for Jesus to show up

[Dedbeet]

Would you care to elaborate a bit? Mostly I'd like to know how much water to MDPV, how long did you store it that way, and did you notice any of the moisture driven degradation as far as effects when? If so, when did you notice it change in potency?

I've been wanting to mix it into some Saline spray I have, but apparently it degrades in water very fast and I hate to be wasteful.

Get one of those nasal snifters (containing nasal decongestant) that eject a fine mist when you press the lever down. Then empty the decongestant into the sink, rinse well, mix some peevee with water (strength will depend on how light or potent you want each blast to be), fill the snifter with the fluid, screw on the lid. Simple.

Doesn't degrade that fast, but if you're saving it awhile, refrigerate it and use distilled water instead of tap water. And don't make really large batches at once.

 

[SmokeaJoint]

Yes, it's purely dopaminergic. Some people actually find that very euphoric, and some get absolutely nothing from it. Seems to depend what you do with the dopamine... for example, a heightened sex drive can be a large part of the high.

Don't be so sure about 'being very much in control' with peevee. It's like "OK, I'm in control, I'm stopping now"... you come down for awhile, no big deal, ready to stop & go to bed... and suddenly find yourself doing peevee, with no clue how that happened. Didn't even give it a thought. It's really bizarre sometimes.

Well I definately felt that urge. I literally stood in the center of my room between the bed and the PV for 2 hours, torn between needed rest and more stimulation. I did finally go to bed though.

I'm a long time cocaine addict, and I use a lot of uppers. If nothing else, I think I can still say no if I'm getting to far in over my head. Apparently MDPV is a different beast altogether, but so far its very manageable. 200 mg lasted me longer than 24 hours, which is a personal record as far as stimulants go. I've done 200 mg at a go before!

 

[Dedbeet]

Well I definately felt that urge. I literally stood in the center of my room between the bed and the PV for 2 hours, torn between needed rest and more stimulation. I did finally go to bed though.

Better than I did last run... my system basically gave out/shut down after ~4 days/nights + 500mg, and I laid down before I fell down.

I'm a long time cocaine addict, and I use a lot of uppers. If nothing else, I think I can still say no if I'm getting to far in over my head. Apparently MDPV is a different beast altogether, but so far its very manageable. 200 mg lasted me longer than 24 hours, which is a personal record as far as stimulants go. I've done 200 mg at a go before!

200mg of peevee should definitely last longer than 24 hours, unless you're insanely wasted the whole time. Supposedly the "normal" dose is 5mg every four hours, which means 30mg over 24 hours the "usual" dosage.

But IMO the "usual dose" is sheer bunkum and rumor, even for peev newbies. 5mg at a throw is not going to do very much.

P.S. like I sez -- don't misunderestimate the morishness of peevee though. The stuff seizes the brain's dopamine circuitry, which is all about motivation, and "self-control" involves motivation (or lack thereof).

As crazy as it sounds, one could end up doing more peevee in order to feel motivated to stop doing peevee. IMHO, if unwilling to potentially lose control, don't use peevee.

P.S. all this probably makes me sound like a mad peevee addict, but actually I'm not... no cravings for it at all between "runs", and I go into it knowing the odds/what to expect, mostly for the adventure. Have had exactly four "runs" in the past three years, all of them pretty wild.

 

[SmokeaJoint]

Better than I did last run... my system basically gave out/shut down after ~4 days/nights + 500mg, and I laid down before I fell down.

200mg of peevee should definitely last longer than 24 hours, unless you're insanely wasted the whole time. Supposedly the "normal" dose is 5mg every four hours, which means 30mg over 24 hours the "usual" dosage.

But IMO the "usual dose" is sheer bunkum and rumor, even for peev newbies. 5mg at a throw is not going to do very much.

P.S. like I sez -- don't misunderestimate the morishness of peevee though. The stuff seizes the brain's dopamine circuitry, which is all about motivation, and "self-control" involves motivation (or lack thereof). How can one be motivated to stop, when stopping removes motivation?

Good cautionary information! I think the reason I blew through 200 mg in a day and a night is because I was really looking for that euphoria, and my brain chemistry doesn't click with PV correctly to do that it seems.

I dosed quite frequently, maybe once every hour or so at the peak, and once every 3 at the low, but nothing over 15-20 mg, which is still pretty high I hear. The negative effects haven't began to beat my ass yet, but they always do in the end. I've chewed my lip to shit though. It looks like I got punched in the face by Evander Hollyfield lol.
bkMDMA had a similar effect, and for some reason it had me humming under my breath without realizing it. Odd side effects indeed with these RCs.

 

[Mailmonkey]

^you were looking for a meph feeling, you won't get there with peevee (I don't think, I'm a peevee noob)

and yeah lol at the 3-5mg doses, fuckin impossible, as are the 3-4 hour dosage intervals.

 

[Dedbeet]

I think I'll stick to 4-MMC from now on, its really my fave so far. Someday I wanna get ahold of some real cathione or maybe some khat so I can feel what the pure, non synthetic is like.

BTW, if 4-MMC is as addictive as is cracked up to be in various threads, you'd probably be better off with peevee, despite the lesser status of the high.

Like coke, peev rarely calls out loudly/directly between purchases... but from what I understand, 4-MMC is just plain addictive and damn hard to quit once you have a habit. Not to mention, probably significantly harder on the body and riskier to use.

 

[Dedbeet]

Good cautionary information! I think the reason I blew through 200 mg in a day and a night is because I was really looking for that euphoria, and my brain chemistry doesn't click with PV correctly to do that it seems.

Peevee euphoria can be found, but it's subtle and never in-your-face like a lot of other substances. Requires careful dosing, set/setting, etc. Can be something of an art to find, but it can be found. Brute-force it and you just get tweaked out and scattered.

I dosed quite frequently, maybe once every hour or so at the peak, and once every 3 at the low, but nothing over 15-20 mg, which is still pretty high I hear. The negative effects haven't began to beat my ass yet, but they always do in the end. I've chewed my lip to shit though. It looks like I got punched in the face by Evander Hollyfield lol.

Few lasting negative effects from peevee, IME, given enough recovery time. The immediate comedown can be horrible, and the next few days can involve agitation/restlessness & sleep problems (from dopamine rebound)... and that's probably about it, no matter the dosing or length of run involved.

 

[SmokeaJoint]

BTW, if 4-MMC is as addictive as is cracked up to be in various threads, you'd probably be better off with peevee, despite the lesser status of the high.

Like coke, peev rarely calls out loudly/directly between purchases... but from what I understand, 4-MMC is just plain addictive and damn hard to quit once you have a habit.

Well, I really started to like 4-MMC because it reminded me a lot of cocaine, but with greater longevity and it stings a little when snorted. Its very definitely addictive (at least at the same level as methamphetamines or really pure coke), but overall most users cite MDPV as more addictive, especially if they vape or smoke it.

And you may have experienced cocaine differently then I have. For me, coke was the most persistent craving ever. Ever since I really got into using it with any frequency, I've always had an underlying urge to do more coke. Omnipresent if you will. I can ignore and deny it, but its always there. The bad part is, I always binge real hard on it, for weeks at a time, and then when I come off I just wanna die. Yet even the knowledge that I'm torturing myself doesn't sway the urge. Its the bane of my existence, but at least 4-MMC lasts longer! Doing a 100 mg line of coke every 15 minutes gets expensive fast.

 

[Dedbeet]

Well, I really started to like 4-MMC because it reminded me a lot of cocaine, but with greater longevity and it stings a little when snorted. Its very definitely addictive (at least at the same level as methamphetamines or really pure coke), but overall most users cite MDPV as more addictive, especially if they vape or smoke it.

Having read the 4-MMC threads in depth (out of curiosity), as well as the peevee threads... I'd have to disagree.

IMO, peevee looks seriously addictive when it's around, and is easily forgotten when not.... it seems those who like it tend to *really* like it (and keep buying it cos they like it), and those who don't lose interest.

OTOH I've seen threads on 4-MMC that make it look more addictive than crystal meth, with people basing their entire lives around the drug, considering rehab, etc.

Tickles a lot more brain receptors than MDPV does....

And you may have experienced cocaine differently then I have. For me, coke was the most persistent craving ever.

True, we may have experienced it differently. Been into crack cocaine heavily in the past, and even that didn't cry out in a loud voice for me when it wasn't around.

Ever since I really got into using it with any frequency, I've always had an underlying urge to do more coke. Omnipresent if you will. I can ignore and deny it, but its always there. The bad part is, I always binge real hard on it, for weeks at a time, and then when I come off I just wanna die.

Uggh... yeah, really heavy coke use ain't pretty, either financially or what it does to someone's life/health. Beats hell out of your body too in ways that peevee couldn't dream of, IMO. Well known heart risk, among other things.

P.S. the strong point of coke (IMO) is that it can be very social... MDPV (for me) is strongly asocial, even antisocial... doing it with a friend tends to turn into "just leave, I want to be alone and do solitary stuff".

 

[SmokeaJoint]

Having read the 4-MMC threads in depth (out of curiosity), as well as the peevee threads... I'd have to disagree.

IMO, peevee looks seriously addictive when it's around, and is easily forgotten when not.... it seems those who like it tend to *really* like it (and keep buying it cos they like it), and those who don't lose interest.

OTOH I've seen threads on 4-MMC that make it look more addictive than crystal meth, with people basing their entire lives around the drug, considering rehab, etc.

True, we may have experienced it differently. Been into crack cocaine heavily in the past, and even that didn't cry out in a loud voice for me when it wasn't around.
Uggh... yeah, really heavy coke use ain't pretty, either financially or what it does to someone's life/health. Beats hell out of your body too in ways that peevee couldn't dream of, IMO. Well known heart risk.

I didn't study up on mephedrone nearly as much as I have the MDPV, so its fully possible I just didn't see enough to get the full picture.

I can guarantee that 4-MMC is addictive in a big way, for me personally at least. But with me its more like I cannot stop dosing until I'm out. Once its gone, I have a day or so of pure withdrawal hell, and then I feel like me again. And after its all gone, I'm fine not redosing. Just, if its there I'm hoovering some of it.

I've only gone through 3 grams or so of 4-MMC though in my lifetime so far, and I know some of the addict reports cite that much in a night. If I had a good source, lots of cash, and healthy nasal passages I could fully see myself becoming mephedrone dependent. But all those factors conspire against me lol. After 2-300 mg of it, I can't snort anymore. Shits all fucked up.

 

[ektamine]

BTW, if 4-MMC is as addictive as is cracked up to be in various threads, you'd probably be better off with peevee, despite the lesser status of the high.

Like coke, peev rarely calls out loudly/directly between purchases... but from what I understand, 4-MMC is just plain addictive and damn hard to quit once you have a habit. Not to mention, probably significantly harder on the body and riskier to use.

Damn. Back when I had a shit ton of extra cash lying about I started messing around with both 4-MMC and MDPV in pretty large amounts. I found having 10g of MDPV around to be FAR more addictive then having 10g of mephedrone around.

With the Meph I would go on these little runs for, but I would never stay up all through the night on it by itself. It wore off completely too quick, like coke, so I would just get really high all day on it, sleep, and then not do it for a few days.

With the MDPV when I first bought a huge sack I didn't even really like it that much, I would mostly use it for wakefulness (in small amounts) or as something to get high on when I was taking a break from Meph. It was on my mind a lot less than the 4-MMC. Then the Mephedrone ran out. Things were the same for a while and then I started binging on MDPV, and then I started IVing it occasionally. This is when I truly found the euphoria and got pretty psychologically hooked on it.

Since then 4-MMC only appeals to me as a treat, almost in the same way MDMA would. I don't think about it much, cause if I want stim, I want MDPV.

Long story short: I find MDPV far more addictive then 4-MMC.

 

[Dedbeet]

I didn't study up on mephedrone nearly as much as I have the MDPV, so its fully possible I just didn't see enough to get the full picture.

I can guarantee that 4-MMC is addictive in a big way, for me personally at least. But with me its more like I cannot stop dosing until I'm out. Once its gone, I have a day or so of pure withdrawal hell, and then I feel like me again. And after its all gone, I'm fine not redosing. Just, if its there I'm hoovering some of it.

I've only gone through 3 grams or so of 4-MMC though, and I know some of the addict reports cite that much in a night. If I had a good source, lots of cash, and healthy nasal passages I could fully see myself becoming mephedrone dependent. But all those factors conspire against me lol. After 2-300 mg of it, I can't snort anymore. Shits all fucked up.

Well, in any case... might be worth giving MDPV more of a chance, if you're willing to look at it as an "art high" that involves subtlety and elusiveness to the euphoric components.

IMO it's also one of the safest RC stims, if not the safest, based on its almost exclusive focus on dopamine. Many have abused the bloody hell out of it and had no really significant problems. Compare that to e.g. 2-DPMP, where abuse tends to result in paranoid psychosis (enough to get locked up for).

Peevee seems to tread a weird line... the high is "below average" even, but everything else about it is so thumbs up that it makes up for it, IMO.

 

[Dedbeet]

With the MDPV when I first bought a huge sack I didn't even really like it that much, I would mostly use it for wakefulness (in small amounts) or as something to get high on when I was taking a break from Meph. It was on my mind a lot less than the 4-MMC. Then the Mephedrone ran out. Things were the same for a while and then I started binging on MDPV, and then I started IVing it occasionally. This is when I truly found the euphoria and got pretty psychologically hooked on it.

Since then 4-MMC only appeals to me as a treat, almost in the same way MDMA would. I don't think about it much, cause if I want stim, I want MDPV.

Long story short: I find MDPV far more addictive then 4-MMC.

Interesting... I guess everyone really is different when it comes to drug-related stuff.

For whatever reason, I've gotten zero (zilch) "psychological addiction" to MDPV... it's 100% physical for me, and so when it isn't around I don't much give a damn. They can go ahead & ban it in the USA, I don't care (shrug).

Could be the focus on IV'ing and smoking, dunno...

 

[SmokeaJoint]

I'm still on the fence about MDPV, really. I dont like stimulation w/o euphoria, and I hate needles so IVing it is out. Also, smoking 4-MMC and bkMDMA out of a glass dick got me high, but the taste was awful, it lingered, made me nautious, and that dope pipe STILL tastes like shit when I hit it. So I'm a tad reticent to smoking/vaping it either.

Too bad the DEA got 4-MMC classed as an analogue. I really liked the stuff. Its getting harder and harder to come by these days.

 

[Dedbeet]

I'm still on the fence about MDPV, really. I dont like stimulation w/o euphoria, and I hate needles so IVing it is out. Also, smoking 4-MMC and bkMDMA out of a glass dick got me high, but the taste was awful, it lingered, made me nautious, and that dope pipe STILL tastes like shit when I hit it. So I'm a tad reticent to smoking/vaping it either.

Peevee can taste pretty crappy smoked/vaped too... not to mention I'm thinking that just smoking the powder off foil (chased) is overrated, and the rush is not that spectacular.

Peevee gradually/rushlessly imbibed in very small/frequent doses can be an entirely different drug.

P.S. re: 4-MMC in my own case... never tried it, and don't really want to. From what I've read I'd get addicted for sure.

 

[LivingOnValium]

nothing beats IV PV tho

 

[Dedbeet]

nothing beats IV PV tho

Hmmmn... will take your word on that one, and just go ahead and IV "nothing", since it beats IV'd PV (chuckling ).

I did try IM'ing peevee back in the "golden tan" days, and won't mess with that again either... it fucking hurt .

 

[LivingOnValium]

lol, don't be "shooting blanks"

 

[Dedbeet]

lol, don't be "shooting blanks"

Hey, I inject nothing daily.

My total daily injected intake of nothing is immeasurably high.

I shoot up so much of nothing, it's really *something*.

8) (sorry if that was too much dopamine talking instead of a sense of humor)...

 

[SmokeaJoint]

I lol'd a little.