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MDPV Megathread 2 - Moderate Dosing Prevents Vitiation

Slightly peevee-fuelled - you have been warned :D

In fact I've NSFW'd it cos it's stupidly overlong :|

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Is there any concensus or even much anectodal evidence regarding succesfully using MDPV at low doses as an aid to motivation/focus on intellectually intensive tasks?

It's great... in extreme moderation. I find the tan variety (proper PV) is much better than this whiteish stuff for that purpose though - this white shite tends to be more prone to mongdom than focus. With me at least

I'm really surprised by just how subtle and tightly focused the stimulation is, I found it almost invisible while doing nothing in particular, but as soon as I devoted my attention to one specific task, the effects really began to manifest themselves.

In the lower doses I've tried my attention is easily very tightly focused on a task without wandering or being prone to distraction, but there's still too much stimulation. The thought process is so rapid it seems to easily outpace reason and degenerates into basic stimmed up tangential stream of consciousness bollocks. (yes that made me stop and think actually. I haven't dosed for hours and now feel pretty verbose and stimulated again, perhaps as a result of writing this post...)

It seems to linger in the system for a surprisingly long time, I would like to find out more about this because I felt frequent dosing was having an obvious cumulative effect which eventually seemed to reach a point where nausea and anxiety appeared quite abruptly after the last dose, along with beginnings of choppy vision and impaired coordination. The whole nature of the experience was markedly changed. I don't know anything about pharmacology atall but I felt like there was definately a point where the level of the drug in the system was becoming toxic.

I wanted to pose a couple of other questions in this post but I've ended up spending a ridiculous amount of time writing this now so it's appropriate that I just finish by adding that when youve taken a lot of it or are coming down off it, I find that the positive effects seem to quite easily degenerate into an almost OCD like loss of spontaneity and fluid articulation, and a horrible state where my attention is captured by a sentence and it's nuance for an absurd amount of time to the point where it's completely divorced from it's context, eventually leading me to reread the paragraph which by now seems to make no sense atall and this process repeats.

As someone who otherwise finds it easy to articulate ideas and happily takes pleasure in writing in a swift and confident way, it's actually pretty fucking distressing to spend hours writing something which would usually take 5 mins and then be left feeling unsure wether it actually has anything to do with what I originally wanted to communicate, or is even remotely coherent.

I have found while dosing on MDPV, if I'm not throwing myself fully into something, in abscence of anything to do my mind and my inner dialogue seems to latch onto random trivial things in my head which have a problem solving nature to them and incessantly loop through them with different variations etc, and I kept randomly becoming aware of it, as a kind of background process secondary to my main focus.

All of these effects dissapear completely after the drug has left my system and I've slept etc, but I am quite concerned on the whole now about where continued use could lead to.

If I didn't know better I'd think I'd wrote that myself - I agree with just about all of that and recoginise most of what you note :)

For the first dose it may seem like there are positive effects but soon you will realise that that is an illusion and that there is no possible "study/motivation/concentration" aid use to this drug.

If you can stick to just that first (and maybe second) dose without going overboard then it's amazing stuff for motivation, focus and concentration. Easier said sometimes...

It is only really a recreational drug, that seems to be way too fiendish and would probably only be really effective if combined with something else, as doing it on its own just messes up your mind and makes you crazy.

I find a lil dash of something serotogenic balances it out nicely - makes it rounder, warmer, fuller and (possibly) a lil less fiendishly fiendish. Possibly. MDMA seems to mix well, as do most 2C-x. Mephedrone does but only up to a point - believe it does more on the dopamine side than is helpful. Presume M1 would be similar. Obviously keep doses reasonable for such combos if embarked upon - I would be surprised if it's not somewhat of a strain on the ol' ticker ;)

I guess I just find it a bit fiendish, but that's about it. It doesn't feel toxic, I don't stay up for days on it, I don't find myself taking it more often than once a week usually, I don't get really anxious on it, I can write and communicate fine on it -- if anything i'm burbling/typing away too much without really analysing that much. I don't really get "comedowns" off it either, just feel a bit crap the day after for a few hours.

It does linger for a while, and physical tiredness does definitely come; I did my first dose almost 12 hours ago and I never quite got 'round to working on it for long, however it definitely focuses my mind at times. Even something as simple as underlining something becomes noticeably easier and improved; I can draw a straighter line. I definitely find it more useful in terms of "doing stuff" than recreation; washing up, tidying, going shopping, reading, improving my porn collection, I seem to get a fuck lot done in an afternoon... :D

The jaw tension kinda sucks. The horniness is kinda great, but I don't find it as overpowering as it is with G, then again I don't do huge doses. Maybe it sounds a bit condescending saying it, but some things are worth treating with caution/respect, especially stims which have the potential to keep you up for days, gota not push it too much.

A fine demonstration of a goodly mix of sensible dosing, self-control and having the real stuff to play with instead of mystery white "MDPV" stuff that's sloshing around here mostly.

I noticed there wasn't a lot of info on IV MDPV use. Being the insane experimentalist that I am, I tried it. I liked it, a lot. It was very similar to IV cocaine with a slightly diminished rush and no flanging auditory effects.

As a fellow "insane experimentalist" (=D) I fuckin' <3 IV MDPV and mostly agree with your observations. Personally I find the rush way more intense than IV coke (powder or rock form) and definitely get a lot of flanging audio stuff. I also find it insanely euphoric (at least as much as IV coke, MDMA or even heroin (albeit in a very different way) but also a lot longer-lasting than IV coke - at least an hour for me. Strangely, I also find it less fiendish than other MOA - expecially vaped.

This is with the tan/beige/brown stuff only at around 5mg a shot absolute max. The off-white shite seems to send me to sleep IVed and gives no euphoria whatsoever - and not even a hint of a rush which I found deeply strange. In fact the white stuff also sends me to sleep if I vape too much in too short a space of time too. Odd.

My question was whether anybody else experienced bloody urine after a large dose of MDPV?

Never. Not personally nor from reading others' experiences. I'm far from healthy, but I've never had that even after massively excessive multiday binges - with or without IV use. I would always suggest that blood in the urine is a symptom that is definitely worth getting checked out by a doctor. Could just be a bladder infection - or any number of things - but is not something to ignore. Seek treatment.

play safe, watch your dosage.

Wise words put simply. MDPV is no more or less "evil" than any other drug. But it's a potent bugger and will severely spank yer arse sideways and silly if you take the piss with it.

Think my peevee excesses have been more than evident and well-documented on more than one occasion, but am learning my lesson. Still have a penchant for it (even this piss-poor pale white imitation peevee) but seem to be able to stick to one or two days/nights of excess and then leave it be. Last gram I had around lasted me several weeks - would have been gone in a weeklong binge of stimmed-up insanity not so long ago.


My, what a mightily potent ramble-inducer this peevee stuff is - apologies for exorbitant length for precious little content of use or interest :D
 
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I'd say just the opposite. Beige stuff has been GS/MS tested as being pure. The white has failed the (limited) tests it's had so far - although not been GC/MS tested yet as far as I know. For my money, they're barely even the same substance. Beige is vastly superior, in my opinion. If you IV the white stuff it does nothing at all except send you to sleep half an hour or so later - seems well suspect to me.

Well the white stuff I was given a bit of wasn't peevee as I dropped a little bit into a hot solution of potassium permanganate and there was no safrole like smell (any simple compound with a 3,4-methylenedioxybenzyl group in it is oxidized to piperonal - 3,4-methylenedioxybenzaldehyde - which has a distinct, recxognizable smell even at tiny air concentrations) - methylone, peevee, MDMA etc all produce the smell if added to hot permanganate soln, but the white stuff didn't ergo it's not peevee. As to it's full identity though, best to find someone with access to a GCMS or similar
 
My MDPV days are well long and gone. We all have to learn lessons, and I learnt mine.

Likewise, I will not be touching it again after I ended up in hospital, giving myself but worst of all my parents a truly horrendous fright thinking I was dying from an overdose.

Pretty much the worst week of my life on the whole.
 
When did you end up in hospital? I read quite a bit of this thread but missed that. Last I heard you'ld gone a bit loopy on it but were fine after it worn off.
 
When did you end up in hospital? I read quite a bit of this thread but missed that. Last I heard you'ld gone a bit loopy on it but were fine after it worn off.

I missed that as well. Possibly because he was in hospital rather than posting to bluelight.

We want details! (although really i wouldn't blaim ceres if he doesn't want to talk about it).

Glad to hear Ceres was ok in the end.
 
Friday morning, after being on it from around 11pm that night. I had sat for nearly 6 hours without moving from my chair and my toes were turning blue and numb, so took another (relatively large) dose of MDPV, got up to walk around and try and get the circulation back into them, but they went red and a bit swollen up and had pins and needles etc so I started worrying about vasoconstriction and DVT etc.

Basically this began the anxiety ball rolling, which itself started to manifest symptoms like racing heart, high blood pressure, hyperventilation, dizzyness, faintness and so on, which coupled with the fact that I had barely slept all week or eaten, left me feeling like I was actually dying from some kind of circulatory failure. My parents called an ambulance and by the time I arrived at a&e I was so petrified I couldn't even tell them what day, month or year it was.

The doctor gave me a couple of pills to swallow, started talking to me about it and very quickly helped me to become rational again and realise what had actually happened, kept me in overnight and sent me home in the morning feeling completely normal but incredibly fucking angry with myself for the whole sorry, avoidable mess and the scare I'd given my parents.
 
Mate really sorry to hear that, sounds like a fucking shitty and scary experience for you. Bet your parents are just fucking glad you're ok though eh; things cool with them?

Hope you're getting some quality rest and stayin away from teh stimzz :)
 
Friday morning, after being on it from around 11pm that night. I had sat for nearly 6 hours without moving from my chair and my toes were turning blue and numb, so took another (relatively large) dose of MDPV, got up to walk around and try and get the circulation back into them, but they went red and a bit swollen up and had pins and needles etc so I started worrying about vasoconstriction and DVT etc.

Looking back on it was there anything really up with your feet or where they just cold and a bit blue (i.e. not way more than normal) and you freaked out because of lack of sleep / too much MDPV?

Why did you decide to take more when your feet went funny. Did it not seem to bad and you just wanted to get high again or was it the fiending or did you think more stimulation = more activity and thus your feet would warm up?

I ask so that i might reduce the chances of repeating your mistake (once i get the chance).

I once had serious indigestion whilst under the influence of quite a lot of acid and because of that and various other reasons at the time became convinced there was something seriously wrong with my insides. I managed to hang on to a thread of sanity long enough for the symptoms / acid to subside and didn't end up freaking out totally and going to hospital (i just lay in bed for a while) but it was scary and i can understand how such things happen.
 
^ I had been having probs with the circulation in my lower legs/feet since last year because I spend most of my time at a desk infront of the computer sitting down, have done for years being in IT. Normally if I notice my feet and ankles are sore or looking a dodgy colour I just get up and wander about a bit, make a coffee, go for a quick walk or whatever.

Over the week while using MDPV I had been spending really long periods sat down in akward positions and not been aware of it, the night before I'd noticed my toes were looking the worst they ever had, were pretty painful and the veins in my lower legs were all really blue and standing out so was a bit concerned, but later on I somehow spent 6 - 8 solid hours sitting down and by the morning it was worse so I started freaking out a bit and it went from there.

I took more MDPV because I'd been on it all night and thought I was just being anxious/feeling negative because I was coming down, and a redose would take the edge off it.

Basically, the stuff with my feet was all real but it was the subsequent worrying about DVT, blood clots, having toes amputated etc that sent me into a total panic.
 
Basically this began the anxiety ball rolling, which itself started to manifest symptoms like racing heart, high blood pressure, hyperventilation, dizzyness, faintness and so on, which coupled with the fact that I had barely slept all week or eaten, left me feeling like I was actually dying from some kind of circulatory failure.

Sorry to hear that dude, I had exact same thing happen from not sleeping or eating for about 36 hours and doing lots of coke/mdma/weed. The feeling of utter dread and panic felt so real, I truly thought I was going to die, luckily I was in my own place so parents were none the wiser about my little 999 adventure. They had to give me loads of diazepam at the hospital to make me finally calm down. Even though no physical damage was done it still haunted me for a very long time; you have my sympathies I hope it hasn't affected you too much.

I'm just not built for these lengthy stim binges, my mind really doesn't like it. Hence why I don't think I'd ever touch this PV stuff, interesting as it sounds.
 
I took more MDPV because I'd been on it all night and thought I was just being anxious/feeling negative because I was coming down, and a redose would take the edge off it.

Listen man, I'm really glad you are alright but your story has pissed me off. What's the title of this thread (that you've posted in loads of times)? What's the point of the board?

a redose would take the edge off it.

No. There is loads of stuff in these mdpv threads, especially from early on, warning about the possible negatives of redosing...including increased anxiety.

So you end up in hospital. I hope to fuck you never told them it was mdpv. Let's not get that media ball rolling. If it does, its people like you who are responsible.
 
Listen man, I'm really glad you are alright but your story has pissed me off. What's the title of this thread (that you've posted in loads of times)? What's the point of the board?



No. There is loads of stuff in these mdpv threads, especially from early on, warning about the possible negatives of redosing...including increased anxiety.

So you end up in hospital. I hope to fuck you never told them it was mdpv. Let's not get that media ball rolling. If it does, its people like you who are responsible.

StoneHappy.. nicely put. Ceres, give your parents a break and, more importantly, learn from your mistakes. PV is fine and as StoneHappy says the last thing we need is a media inspired panic.
 
Listen man, I'm really glad you are alright but your story has pissed me off. What's the title of this thread (that you've posted in loads of times)? What's the point of the board?

I had read this thread (and part 1) in its entirety, along with the one in ADD, and everything else I could find from various other sources before I even decided to get some MDPV, and reread the lot once I did aquire some. I've always strived to be as informed and careful as possible with any substance and have never once had any kind of problem with anything from aspirin to DMT or even heroin.

Nothing I'd read or experienced before was enough to prepare me for just how rapidly the whole thing became unpleasant, infact I only used it 3 or 4 times and the final time I'd already pretty much come to the conclusion that it wasn't something I would continue using. Clearly I'm not alone in being taken by surprise by it either.

Anyway, at least what I've ended up posting in this thread in the last week really is in the spirit of this board and ought to strengthen the message that care really does have to be taken with MDPV...
 
I'm not having a go at you, but did you mention mdpv to the doctor's and did they know what you were on about? Like I said I'm not having a go, I'm just curious how up to date the doctors are about rcs.
 
Yeah I told them I'd been taking methylenedioxypyrovalerone and that it was similar to methylphenidate in its method of action. They had no idea what it was, even after 24 hours when I was discharged they still new nothing about it that I didn't already.

Feel free to bash me for that but I'd fully expect anyone else in the same situation to do exactly the same. You can't say this board is about harm reduction and simultaneously advise people not to say what substance they've taken if they find themselves in hospital.
 
I would have probably done the same in your position mate, however its important to remember that things like this are what starts the whole "media drug hype" in action which eventually leads to a bye bye to the drug in question. Just be more careful with it in future :)
 
Feel free to bash me for that but I'd fully expect anyone else in the same situation to do exactly the same. You can't say this board is about harm reduction and simultaneously advise people not to say what substance they've taken if they find themselves in hospital.

No you're absolutely right and once at the hospital that is what I would expect you to do. By now you were in a position where you wanted to do everything possible to help yourself (by giving the doctors correct information).

I guess my suggestion is you
do everything possible to help yourself
before you reach that position. You say you read the thread fully but there's loads of stuff already there advising against what you did.

Didn't you write off mephedrone as a 'boring, worthless' drug recently too - contrary to many other peoples experience? I don't know man, I'm thinking set and setting....I just find it really odd you say you coped with heroin and other things but seem to be building mdpv and mephedrone into the devil drugs.
 
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