MDPV Megathread 2 - Moderate Dosing Prevents Vitiation

[StoneHappyMonday]

TBH I've been thinking about this all day.

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You need to remember that everyone is fallible and sometimes there are occasions in life where, regardless of knowledge and experience and forethought and intentions, unxepected things happen which are simply beyond your control.

I'm not a naive guy, or a drug naive guy, I'm not the type of person who takes drugs to get "fucking wasted", I've outgrown club and party culture, I've always rated aldous huxleys approach and think terence mckenna and tim leary were dickheads who caused immeasurable harm to our cultural integration of psychoactive substances and spawned a decades-long skidmark of utter fuckwits that to this day continue to give drugs a bad name - it's not "people like me" who are responsible for media or government awareness of research chemicals.

You mentioned my disdain towards mephedrone. Who is really responsible for the media and government awareness of it? The people, as reported in the press, who have presented themselves to the health services with addiction or psychosis? Or in the case of GBL, the people who have died? These substances are getting out there in widespread circulation and like it or not, causing actual, tangible damage. Keeping it all shushed up is not an option anymore when these things are being openly sold to the uninitiated general public.

Sorry, this is the first time I've ever had a go at anyone on here, but your position is completely untenable, you proselytize about harm reduction but are clearly motivated by immature self-interest.

What was your own experience of MDPV?

My own experience of mdpv is that I've taken about 1.5g over a period of about a year, shared mainly with my partner. I checked all information I could (largely via BL), clued myself up on the redosing conundrum and have never had a problem with the drug.

Funnily enough I find your position completely untenable. Your posts reflect nothing but self-interest, telling people how useless mephedrone is and how dangerous mdpv is because of your own shortcomings. I wasn't surprised to read you ended up in hospital because your previous posts indicated a certain tendency towards the extreme.....I got the impression you were redosing regularly on both mephedrone and mdpv despite all the advise here not to.

If someone comes here, reads all the stuff, and still fucks up, I don't have much sympathy for the inevitable line they drag out about 'everyone being fallible'. Far better surely that they first realize drugs aren't playthings to be binged on and that all drugs can lead to problems in an individual who is to self-centred on their own enjoyment to be bothered to care what damage they might be doing, both to themselves and to the reputation of the drug itself.

When this drug gets banned and demonised, you are part of the problem. Hell, you even began the demonisation.

 

[Tryptamite]

Hi guys, Theres a music fest coming up and me and some buddies are thinking of dosing MDPV.

What are somethings I should watch out for?

Like, what's the best method of dosing?

From a single dose, how long will the high last and when will I start crashing?

I have experinece with coke, meth, methylphenidate and methcathinone, which one of these does it feel like?

Also, how long would the crash last if I were to stay tweaked on this stuff for around 12 hours?

Thanks for any information.

It will be shit for a music festival. The high isn't that great an you're likely to take to much in an attempt to get a proper buzz, this will likely cause over-stimulation and paranoia as others have noted here from overdoing it.

Get some proper drugs. If you must go the legal route then methylone or mephedrone would be the better option, combined with GBL (also legal) they should have you where you want to be. In the US 4-flouroamphetamine is still legal.

Research everything before you do it, stay safe and have fun

 

[Ceres]

My own experience of mdpv is that I've taken about 1.5g over a period of about a year, shared mainly with my partner. I checked all information I could (largely via BL), clued myself up on the redosing conundrum and have never had a problem with the drug.

Funnily enough I find your position completely untenable. Your posts reflect nothing but self-interest, telling people how useless mephedrone is and how dangerous mdpv is because of your own shortcomings. I wasn't surprised to read you ended up in hospital because your previous posts indicated a certain tendency towards the extreme.....I got the impression you were redosing regularly on both mephedrone and mdpv despite all the advise here not to.

If someone comes here, reads all the stuff, and still fucks up, I don't have much sympathy for the inevitable line they drag out about 'everyone being fallible'. Far better surely that they first realize drugs aren't playthings to be binged on and that all drugs can lead to problems in an individual who is to self-centred on their own enjoyment to be bothered to care what damage they might be doing, both to themselves and to the reputation of the drug itself.

When this drug gets banned and demonised, you are part of the problem. Hell, you even began the demonisation.

Oh, be as judgemental and condescending as you like if you really feel the need, I've already made it clear several times that I hold myself completely responsible for my bad experience with MDPV. I think I did pretty well to safely enjoy approx. 15 years of experimentation with a huge range of drugs before making this first ever serious error of judgement. Actually, it's the second if you include the first time I got drunk as hell when I was a teenager despite having seen and heard what to expect.

All I've said is that MDPV clearly has a particularly high potential for psychological unpleasantness, and that I now find mephedrone to be a pretty one-dimensional experience that no longer interests me.

When or if MDPV gets banned and demonised, it will be thanks to, as is the case now with mephedrone, purely profit motivated vendors and common dealers flogging the stuff on such a wide scale that the truly uninformed using it end up addicted or seriously mentally ill in statistically significant numbers. Me being daft and ending up in A&E with a panic attack that was stopped in minutes after eating some benzos and a quick chat with the doctor is not the kind of thing that's going to result in frantic reactionary tabloid headlines.

Enough anyway, I'm trying to put the whole thing behind me and don't wish to derail this thread any further.

 

[TheSpade]

If someone comes here, reads all the stuff, and still fucks up, I don't have much sympathy for the inevitable line they drag out about 'everyone being fallible'. Far better surely that they first realize drugs aren't playthings to be binged on and that all drugs can lead to problems in an individual who is to self-centred on their own enjoyment to be bothered to care what damage they might be doing, both to themselves and to the reputation of the drug itself.

Surely you realise that when high on drugs common sense and rational thinking doesn't come into the equasion and you don't always remember all that great advice you read on BL. You're fucked on drugs, you're not thinking straight, your brain is not quite working as it should. Being sensible and thinking about the consequences of what your doing doesn't always happen. Bad things happen on drugs sometimes, people make wrong decisions, do silly things, take too much etc. It's enivitable.

Are we to assume you've never fucked up on drugs?

You say drugs aren't to be binged on but I recently read a post by yourself stating that over the course of an evening you did M1, Meph, MDPV and then a benzo to end the night, was it? Some would call that a binge. Also I think most of the serious harm reduction advice on BL is not to mix stimulants.

 

[Dxmmonster]

Well, Iv been having a nice little test drive with some MDPV.

It has turned out to be much better than I had thought it would be. Very smooth and relatively clean stimulation. I have tried smoking and snorting it and smoking is my preferred method (for now).

But, I have read somethings about toxic chemicals being produced when MDPV decomposes. Does anyone have more information on this? Much appreciated.

 

[Ascii]

Just tried a poppy pod tea and vaped MDPV combo Amazing combo, first time I've really had a proper bash at vaping the PV. I've done it before but didn't really feel much at all! (Dosage was too low)

Had a decent dose of poppy pod tea about 1 hour prior. Had 12mg of MDPV in two doses, with half an hour inbetween. First dose of about 5mg gave me a mild stimulant feeling after exhaling but I left it 30 mins to see if it increased in intensity. It did slightly but I wasn't really the level I wanted to be at, so I decided to dose around 7mg on top. After exhaling it, I could feel a warm euphoria but not overwhelming or anything... About 30 secs later I felt my heart rate increasing pretty sharpish! This was accompanied by everything coming into razor sharp focus and a strong rush that quite honestly felt insanely euphoric :D Very strong rush; head rolling around, taking enourmous deep breaths of what felt like ice cold air, eyes rolling all over the place, feeling every single cell of my body was alive and tingling like crazy!

This rush lasted about 10 mins at 10/10 intensity but lasted another 20 mins at 9/10 strength. After this I felt a normal PV stimulation, 3/10 in comparison, that lasted about another hour.

I've never felt the true vaporised PV before so can't really rate how it compares without poppy pods. However, I don't think I wouldn't personally give it a try on its own as:

a. PV sometimes makes me a little jittery and anxious,;especially towards the higher end of the dosage spectrum... opiates really chill things out
b. I prepared myself for massive cravings for " just one more hit" once the rush had run its course but I it was nowhere near as bad as I expected. I mean I was a little tempted but it wasn't that hard to resist at all. Actually, thinking about this; this may have been due to the poppy pod tea making me quite content already
c. Most importantly, I don't want to be smoking PV on an anywhere near regular basis! Opiates and PV just synergise really well. I regulate when I do opiates so why not PV. Also, there's been reports of impurities (fuck knows how bad it is for your lungs 8)) and to be honest a rush like that feels like it should be only experienced once in a blue moon due to its sheer ferocity %)

 

[Dxmmonster]

Well, today was eventful, or shall I say very interesting!
This stuff provided me with a full day of energy and a relatively clear and fast mind.

It also made me much more social but sort of in a mean yet goofy way. Was definitely lots of fun, redosing didn't produce better effects but instead made me look a bit sleepy and feel jittery(notice I said "look". I didnt feel sleepy, just looked).

The first hit was absolutely amazing, producing an ultra sharp vision, uppidy mind set, improved problem solving and relatively organized thoughts(although this aspect didnt feel as good as Ritalin, everything else was).
All in all, I would say MDPV feels like a longer lasting, more powerful, more social, cleaner, less jittery(basically less side effects) and a more fun but yet not so organized(goofy) version of Ritalin.

I liked it. The only down sides I disliked are the long duration and relatively depressing crash. Still, the crash from and all day MDPV binge seemd to be much milder than an all day Ritalin binge.

 

[Tryptamite]

What country are you in DXM?

 

[Dxmmonster]

^^The Red Country! AKA The PRC, short for The Peoples Republic of China!

I was quite suprised when MDPV showed up here a while ago.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Are we to assume you've never fucked up on drugs?

You say drugs aren't to be binged on but I recently read a post by yourself stating that over the course of an evening you did M1, Meph, MDPV and then a benzo to end the night, was it? Some would call that a binge. Also I think most of the serious harm reduction advice on BL is not to mix stimulants.

Can't remember fucking up on drugs in 30 years, sorry. Honestly haven't.

Some would look at the amounts I took in the post you refer to and might consider that at no time did that go over the top. 500mg meph? 500mg M1? 10mg peevee? Don't make me laugh Spade. If anything its an example of self-control.

 

[icancu2k]

I have to say that my standpoint is not to binge and to promote harm reduction, though personally I know fine well I indulge quite a bit at times.

Moderation.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I have to say that my standpoint is not to binge and to promote harm reduction, though personally I know fine well I indulge quite a bit at times.

Moderation.

Everyone has a blow out from time to time. I've just always tried to keep away from binging by mixing my drug intake. I think its a fairly good plan. I've done every drug under the sun and never been addicted to any because, well basically, I swap them around a lot.

Works for me.

 

[icancu2k]

^ too right, I must say binges on several stims for example, or stronger psychs even (if we choose to forget ket, MD etc. with them) are very rare for me.

Though I do a lot with other substances, or ones which are known to be relatively 'safe'.

I'm not judging anyone, in case my last message came across that way. I was just making a point.

 

[Tryptamite]

^^The Red Country! AKA The PRC, short for The Peoples Republic of China!

I was quite suprised when MDPV showed up here a while ago.

Can you tell me a bit about the drug scene in China please? I'd be very interested to hear.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Can you tell me a bit about the drug scene in China please? I'd be very interested to hear.

I'm sure he will but in the meantime...I have a mate in HK who regularly visits China. To my surprise he told me there is a big scene in Beijing and anything can be obtained in clubs etc.

Always surprises me the level of drug taking in countries with the death penalty. My mate is actually from Singapore and tells many hair-raising tails of using smack there. Rather him than me, but his stories are entertaining.

 

[MrM]

There isn't an MDPV thread in the Drug FAQs at the moment, presumably because it's so new, but this dose mean that anyone looking for info has to search through 2 MDPV megathreads and try to sort the information from people newly trying the substance from the information coming from people who know more about the stuff.

What kinds of doses / frequency of redosing are people who still take this stuff using now? Would anyone care to give any sensible rough limits or advice on what to expect from what kind of dosage range? I know this is going to be a bit rough so ideally if i get a few different responses from different people that would be even better.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

What kinds of doses / frequency of redosing are people who still take this stuff using now? Would anyone care to give any sensible rough limits or advice on what to expect from what kind of dosage range? I know this is going to be a bit rough so ideally if i get a few different responses from different people that would be even better.

I take a dose of either 7,8,9 or 10mg. It gives a mildy speedy high and enables me to get short intense bursts of writing done with ease. Not classic amphetamine bullshit writing, but writing with clarity. I find it helps concentration on a specific task. I'm sure Ceres will disagree, but thats my experience. Lower doses(7mg) I find more suited to shagging the hell out of my girlfriend.

It lasts but a few hours (4?). The general finding seems to be that redosing within that 4 hour period will somehow increase the potency and leave you awake for a lot longer. The only time I dosed 10mg and redosed another 10mg within about 2-3 hours I was awake for the best part of the next 24 hours. There is increased jitteriness. It is not unmanageable but some people seem to freak a bit because of this.

Would you like me to say something negative? It's shite for sport. Does something to your muscles (probably tension) without you feeling or realizing it. Go try tennis or snooker or something while on it and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Ceres]

^nah I agree, the initial conservative dose would give me a very subtle and useful stimulation that was really good for focusing on something. Very uncluttered and transparent. Redosing was fine 3.5/4 hours later. It did surprise me with the apparent length of it's halflife, small doses of GBL seemed to take the edge of the jitteryness at that stage...

 

[Dxmmonster]

I'm sure he will but in the meantime...I have a mate in HK who regularly visits China. To my surprise he told me there is a big scene in Beijing and anything can be obtained in clubs etc.

Always surprises me the level of drug taking in countries with the death penalty. My mate is actually from Singapore and tells many hair-raising tails of using smack there. Rather him than me, but his stories are entertaining.

Whoa!, I really just over did it on some MDPV. This stuff hits instantly but the real effects dont come a while later. I thought I wasnt that high so I smoked a couple of more hits. Which was not a good Idea. Now Im a bit shaky and my heart rate is around 168... Sweating alot. Yall think a couple Atenolol would help?

I need to chill a bit first and then come back to answer your questions. Be prepared for an essay!

(Back 15 minuts later...)

The drug scene in China is pretty big. Theres very good Heroin, Methamphetamine(90% +), pretty decent hash and Very good E(When it's good, it's fucking awesome but very rare, when it's bad, it's not MDMA at all). I have even read about dealers selling stolen Etorphine tablets.

There are three main drug scenes. The biggest is the Chinese scene, dealers usually sell very pure H, Meth and Ketamine. Sometimes opium is available and some Chinese dealers might even have some RCs. Im sure coke is available but it's pretty bad. They definetly have other drugs that I dont know about because Im not in that scene.

The second is the foreigners scene, usually supplied by black Nigerian dealers. They have Coke (usually bad), Hash(can be VERY good), E(sometimes fucking good but normally its shit) and usually pretty good Heroin(the good stuff can be 80% +). Psychedelics are extremely hard to come by.

The thrid scene witch isnt really a scene. You can meet these "dealers" at various house parties or you just meet them through friends. They are usually American or europhean, sometimes just tourists that want to have a good time and sometiems they are long term residents here. You can sometimes get LSD, Mushrooms and some RCs from them. The supply is never constant, so for a while you might be able to get shrooms then maybe a few days later the stupply will be gone and youl either have nothing or something different will come along.

 

[MrM]

I take a dose of either 7,8,9 or 10mg..

Thanks for the info. How do you usually prefer to take the stuff and why (orally, smoked etc?).

I'm just recovering from my first experience with this stuff. Seemed like quite a nice high but next time i think i'll take a higher initial dose (than 6mg) and redose less. I don't feel too bad after 6 hours sleep though