MDPV Help and advice needed

[maxalfie]

I have a friend who isn't a member of Bluelight that has been having problems with his usage of MDPV and would like some advice from people who know about this drug as i couldn't help him as i don't know too much about it having never taken it. This is what he has to say.


"Been using peeve a few times with no issue but over the last few months I have gone on 3 - 5 day runs with no break & have done upto 300 - 500mg in a day (all vaped)

It is really getting to me in the most savage mental addiction I have known & I am not new to RC's etc. Where can you get help for it or anything else related to how others have kicked it would be great.

I am in a real mess with this stuff & never knew it would be as potent as it is. Any advice or tips how to cope & stop would be great.

please add it's taken over my heroin addiction, I am spending all my money on it."

 

[Si Dread]

please add it's taken over my heroin addiction, I am spending all my money on it."

Pernicious, evil, addictive, compulsive shit Peevee. At least it's cheap!

One of the few drugs I've flushed & then gone straight online & bought again! Flushes it again, when it arrived, can you believe that...

Here's my advice. Stop taking it. Get it out of the house & stay away from it. Permanently. Never buy it again! There's no other way to quit & it sounds like quiting is urgent!

Bath Salts from hell. Simple.

 

[Shambles]

The one and only answer is unfortunately the most obvious and least desirable to the user. That answer is simply to stop buying it. In depressingly honest truth it really is that simple, that easy and that incredibly hard. There are no magic cures nor replacement therapies - no methadonesque sticking plaster to paper over the cracks. Just have to stop ordering.

I would also suggest perhaps looking into attending local addiction service groups. As this person has been taking heroin I would imagine they are familiar with their local DSP but may not be familiar with all the service options on offer. I know I certainly wasn't until I became quite proactive in the course of seeking out what options where actually available to me. Services do vary around the country so I can't say for sure what will be available but I would suggest that psychological addictions lend themselves especially well to group therapy set-ups.

In my case I attend the weekly SMART Recovery group held at my local DSP and find it to be very helpful. 12 Step (NA.AA and related groups) is another option but I prefer the SMART as it suits my personal outlooks better. I realise that 12 Step is the only option in some areas and that this can be quite off-putting for those it doesn't suit but SMART have online sessions, courses and forums and the largely CBT-based approach suits this as it is personalised, goal-orientated and far more nuanced than 12 Step programmes are.

Group work and one-on-one drug counselling can certainly help, but it does ultimately all come down to simply not buying any more. I know you said your friend is not a BLer but the MDPV Thread is like catnip to peevish peeps. . Point him in the general direction of it and there's a pretty good chance he'll sit up for a week reading them all from beginning to end. If this happens he will also learn that every single one of us who have managed to regain some control over our use have simply stopped. It really is the only way as it is psychological addiction and one that has an incredibly intense acute aspect to it. The closest to "the key" I have ever come across is to hold out for one day longer than you normally do. Repeatedly.

The one thing that does strike me strangely is "it's taken over my heroin addiction, I am spending all my money on it". I can totally see how it could take over a heroin addiction but even in the case of most outrageous levels of abuse a single day's worth of heroin would last a good week with MDPV as an absolute minimum. The fact that it's such an incredibly cheap, potent and long-lasting drug means that cost is never realistically going to be a factor no matter how extreme the use is. This is another reason that makes it all the clearer that restricting use of it can only be done by choice. I only hope your friend can choose to stop - or certainly to place strict restrictions upon - use before he gets himself into anything like the state most of us end up in before having to finally bite the bullet and stop making orders we know damn well the outcome of.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Stop buying it or....

...switch back to another addiction. Like heroin! Or cocaine! No I'm not taking the piss!

Switching addictions is a tried and tested method that works since Victorian times (at least...in recorded history blah blah). Sometimes its easier than 'just say no' or 'just stop buying it'.

Fills the void an' all that.

 

[Shambles]

I tend to agree but there can be particular difficulties with an entrenched MDPV addiction given it's utterly insane dopamine action. Nothing else is ever likely to cut it frankly. Am all in favour of finding whatever it is that gets you through the night whilst causing the least relative harm. Heroin certainly scores some points over MDPV in that sense.. and vice versa. Neither are ideal. Peev has a specific concern of causing acute mental illness which really can be a problem though. Same goes for heavy stim use of any form but peev tends to get a person "there" a damn sight easier than most alternatives ever do.

Problem with substituting an MDPV addiction is of the "you've had the best now... what is the actual point of the rest?" variety. Can take a while to adjust expectations downwards in my experience. Doable but probably not the easiest of options. MDPV addiction can take a person to such unfeasible extremes that switching addictions just isn't as simple as it used to be with lesser substances. Again, my opinion and all that.

 

[MikeRWK]

I have no experience with the drug.I've read the pv thread and seen people going to hell vaping or iv'ing it but I didn't realize this stuff was strong enough for someone to choose it over heroin, that right there says a lot about it.As for stopping it do people experience some of the same symptoms as quitting meth? No pleasure from anything for a very long time while receptors down-regulate and things repair themselves?

 

[Shambles]

Yup. Very much so only more extrensively than with meth in my experience. Meth has more balanced action on the brainchems than MDPV. There is no serotininny comfort blanket with peev. On the flipside, you can at least use serotonergics to alleviate the more extreme effects of MDPV intoxiaction (at the truly extreme end of it where it becomes acutely impossible to function even on the most basic levels, perhaps in less (seemingly) acutely physically therapuetic but more psychologically so ways over the longer term).

Anybody that hasn't personally experienced or witnessed the extremity of acute MDPV addiction truly has no possible metric to compare it with. Makes any and all other drugs look like pea shooters on the brainchem fukkery front for a while. Thankfully this is an acute symptom and will ease over a period of weeks and months rather than years... but it really can cause immense damage over the short-medium term. I'm not sure anybody can speak to longterm as it simply hasn't existed for long enough to be sure yet.

Anhedonia is an absolutely bogstandard symptom of even acute dopaminergic withdrawal let alone more chronic form. In the case of meth it also has strong serotonergic action (MDPV has no serotonergic action that I know of) so withdrawal effects will include what essentially amounts to SSRI withdrawal effects (ie intense anhedonia, brain zaps and generally feeling like toasted and miserable shite for 2-3 months or so). Peev w/d is similar only far more focussed. Not so much emphasis on finding (or indeed lacking) pleasure in things so much as not even feeling an urge to seek out pleasure in things (which almost certainly will not be felt even if one did for whatever reason). Takes time to begin to heal in my opinion. This seems to be a theme amongst all longterm users/addicts.

FWIW, meth never came close to the levels of headfukkery that MDPV had for me. Again, this seems to be a common theme.

 

[pinkpapaver]

Stop buying it or....

...switch back to another addiction. Like heroin! Or cocaine! No I'm not taking the piss!

Switching addictions is a tried and tested method that works since Victorian times (at least...in recorded history blah blah). Sometimes its easier than 'just say no' or 'just stop buying it'.

Fills the void an' all that.

I believe it's called tweaking sir. I've discovered Poppy tea. and cycling!

 

[blondin]

With my addictive personality im so glad i missed the rc 'craze' particularly peev as it sounds like somethng i would love - fortunately i have no access to the DNet so will never be able to get any as dont know anyone who does it either. 3-5 day binges scares the shit out of me 3 days was my longest-on E and acid, coke .and those times were few and far between.

 

[Shambles]

3-5 day binges scares the shit out of me

With MDPV they can quite easily extend to 3-5 month binges let alone days. Honestly makes crack look ditinctly meh when it comes to extreme fiending. At least with the rock you get over the uberfiend after just a couple hours or so, with MDPV it seems neverending at times. If you are physically capable of putting more inside yourself you will do so even when near-catatonic due to massively fucked up brain chem states after binging for days - or even weeks - on end.

That is one practical lesson worth learning early on - only buy the very smallest quantity at a time. Never buy in bulk (I'd count anything over a gramme as bulk myself - and a gramme is no small session itself to be honest).

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

You make it sound extremely attractive shambles... But then I'm a sucker for stim psychosis myself - it only gets interesting when you're fighting your own shadow..

But seriously, is the hit worth it, or is it all about the fiend?

 

[foolsgold]

try this lot who i am with smart recovery they have a little more knowledge about r.c. that most

stim psychosis hahaha try a 20 year non stop one normality becomes the frighten part of it

 

[ScotchMist]

I was wondering that also FUBAR, as Shambles said and from what I've read it's got crazy action on Dopamine, in my experience Dopamine doesn't seem to last very long when you're dumping it on mass. It must become a straight jittery stim very soon on in the sesh and then you're just chasing your tail for days/weeks/ months and dodging the shadows, taping up the letterbox and painting the windows I speak from other stim experience.... ok ok... I didn't paint the windows, I put newspaper all over them, had I had paint, id of painted them in a second..8)

 

[Shambles]

But seriously, is the hit worth it, or is it all about the fiend?

The hit is not to all tastes - there's good reason it's always been niche. The problem is that it is so stupidly intense that it really takes a day or two to settle down enough to be able to truly appreciate it. Prior to that you're hanging on for dear life, a little later and you're a braindead mong, but that sweetspot really is so very damn sweet

As for stim psychosis, all I'll say is that I was also always of the opinion that it was just another state of mind - and an especially intriguing one at that. At some point that changed and began to flirt with "true" psychosis and became something so much darker... downright malevolent in fact. In no way possible to enjoy so too big a risk to take any more for me.

It must become a straight jittery stim very soon on in the sesh

Not at all. Quite the opposite. It starts out overly intense and kinda jittery for the first 24h or so but once it plateaus you enter a state that is so incredibly still and peaceful. Calm. Unfortunately this really is the eye of the storm and does go downhill rapidly once it passes. This is the stage where the user needs to stop before it descends too deeply into Bad Things...

 

[Shamanism]

Hi Shambles,

Curious neophyte here. Who likes to dance with a demon or two, but haven't with this one. I decided this one is best 'read only' but since the peev threads are becoming less active (for good reason and strong will power from some of you here) it is strangely more attractive in it's own pervy way, but I think I have gained enough from these threads not to, but I still have some questions and thoughts I hope you could shed some light on.

Regarding ROA and dosage:
Would you also achieve this plateau state after only conservative oral or insufflated dosing say 5 mg in the morning and afternoon, like a small minority is able to adhere to without entering Bat Country?

Or is this plateau only reached when saturation occurs after more frequent (increasingly high and/or vaped dosing and if I understand correctly invariably linked to the more and increasingly serious side effects? (and the lovely adrenochrome gulper at heart that gravitates towards this)

(Somehow most of my post got deleted but this is the do or don't bare essential question)

 

[Shambles]

I've never known anybody who can do the one-off dosing thing (certainly can't myself ) but would be pretty positive the particular "plateau" state I speak of would not be achievable any way other than prolonged abuse. I'm obviously not recommending this as being a wise course of action - it very definitely is not. As with all addictive drugs, there is a reason people keep going back for more. If it wasn't so very damn good when it's good there would be no problem in stopping cos the bad bits really are quite spectacularly bad I can assure you

It's basically just the relatively brief stage of a run where everything is finely balanced - any undesirable side-effects are minimal (I'd say completely absent for the most part) whilst all the desirable effects are at their peak. Usually somewhere around the 48-72h mark for me but varies a bit depending on how you've been dosing. One thing that keeps peev users at relatively low levels is that it's really rather hard work to get it "right". Definitely not suited to the quick line in the bogs between pints approach to stim use.

Said bad bits account for the majority of overall time spent using... but that good bit somewhere in the middle really is a bit special. I'd say it is not worth finding out one way or t'other whether you - or anybody else - are amongst those that agree. Some doors are best left unopened. The various incarnations of the peev thread really do paint a very accurate picture of every stage from early infatuation through to bitter rows and perhaps eventually mutually-respectful return to platonic and arm's length relationship. I'd recommend the vicarious approach to MDPV use.

 

[foolsgold]

wait till your in the garden of Eden in stead of hell but its not a nice place to be as we are banned i ended up in there thinking what the fuck happened did i die and not notice ?

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

The hit is not to all tastes - there's good reason it's always been niche. The problem is that it is so stupidly intense that it really takes a day or two to settle down enough to be able to truly appreciate it. Prior to that you're hanging on for dear life, a little later and you're a braindead mong, but that sweetspot really is so very damn sweet

As for stim psychosis, all I'll say is that I was also always of the opinion that it was just another state of mind - and an especially intriguing one at that. At some point that changed and began to flirt with "true" psychosis and became something so much darker... downright malevolent in fact. In no way possible to enjoy so too big a risk to take any more for me.



Not at all. Quite the opposite. It starts out overly intense and kinda jittery for the first 24h or so but once it plateaus you enter a state that is so incredibly still and peaceful. Calm. Unfortunately this really is the eye of the storm and does go downhill rapidly once it passes. This is the stage where the user needs to stop before it descends too deeply into Bad Things...

Hmmm.... Have you tried 3fpm yet? I think you might like it as your description of MDPV sounds like a supercharged 3fpm. Vaping 3fpm can also result it a state of calm and tranquility, interspersed with periods of MDMA like rolling and amphetamine like manic activity and OCD behaviour.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I've never known anybody who can do the one-off dosing thing (certainly can't myself )

I did for six months when I first used it.

I was working Monday to Friday and taking MDMA every Friday night. I used a one off dose of MDPV every day first thing in the morning except for Saturday mornings (because I'd still be on the MDMA...wasn't so good at keeping that to one off doses). MDPV was the best pick-me-up ever. Sorted me out for work and sorted me out on a Sunday morning for taking away the knackeredness after being up fucking for 24 hours or so.

Then I got given a few g's in payment for something else. And my gf, yes I blame her the sweet little speed freak, kinda took control of the PV dosing. You can guess the result.

But I did do six months of daily one off dosing. Where's my prize?

 

[Shamanism]

Thank you Shambles, that will seal the deal for me.

Already had made my mind up regarding 3-FPM that this might be worse on the body and as I already have the memory of an oyster... I'm certainly not messing with this one. The latest development in the 3-FPM thread regarding impurities is also quite interesting.