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MDPV + 4-aco-dmt = reliable way to induce psychosis without sleep dep.?

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yoyoman

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Done this multiple times while on phenazepam so i don't freak out.

Even with a complete good nights sleep, if i use some MDPV, then do a small nasal bump of 4-aco-dmt, shadows start moving around... i see things that aren't there especially outside.. things move around on the computer screen as if someone else or "they" are doing it etc. I sometimes see little people like on DMT etc..

Also, the psychosis part totally goes away right when the 4-aco-dmt is wearing off. So it seems to be a mix of 4-aco-dmt and when theres too much dopamine floating around..

Or maybe this only happens with me? I just might lean towards the more schizo side of things..

Notice the same with N,N-DMT, it only works properly if i have not used ANY dopaminergic stimulants for at least a day. If i had, all hell breaks loose in DMT land (in a bad way).
 
Why do you want to induce psychosis? What, specifically, do you define as "psychosis"?

Psilocin and related alkaloids are pretty good at inducing pseudopsychotic states on their own. It sounds perfectly normal.
 
Personally I am not interpreting or reading that psychosis is the wanted result but it could be me. Anyway I find this believable enough with MDPV and sleep deprivation alone so throw in a psychedelic to act as a catalyst and it can turn out a shit storm.

I don't think you have to be sensitive in a mentally unstable way to get the effect you describe, sekio I think that is what is meant by leaning to the schizo side of things and not a preference.

Just avoid it please.

MDPV seems to be able to cause really fucked up after-effects from inappropriate use and I'd say that includes binging / taking it too often and/or not sleeping enough. Doing all of that makes you mentally tired and unstable so by definition more prone to paranoia and delusional or psychotic episodes.

Oh shit I missed the 'inducing' and the without sleep deprivation instead of with. Double 'my bad'.

Indeed: why??
 
In my experience mdpv seems to be very potent at inducing such a state, much more so than amphetamine. I feel weaker mentally and more prone to 'emotional disturbance' after one night/day of light or medium mdpv use than I would of equivalent amphetamine use. Adding a psychedelic in this state can produce interesting results.
 
I experimented with IM'ing 10mg 4-AcO-DMT after being on methamphetamine all day.. same type of thing but MUCH LESS pronounced.. seems like MDPV releases way more dopamine (i know its a reuptake inhibitor, but somehow it dumps a lot more DA than methamp)

I'm wondering if its just me - its only the *DMT's... DMT especially, i'm too afraid to smoke that while on a stimulant its way worse.

The trip is fine as long as it doesn't involve stimulants.. but i'm curious about anyone else that has experienced this - using amphetamines or MDPV and then doing some 4-aco-dmt? It is a RELIABLE way to induce some psychosis (for me)

Last night I was hearing voices which was different than the time I used MDPV. It all goes away when the 4-aco-dmt wears off.
 
I think the DMT's (including psilocin and 4-aco-dmt) somehow boost dopamine in some parts of the brain, even if it doesn't appear to actually hit the receptors themselves. And after heavy stimulant use it just goes into overdrive..

I get none of this on other analogs like 4-ho/aco-det/dipt/mipt etc.
 
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