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TORONTO -- Police used some new-fangled gumshoe detective work to make a "shocking" ecstasy bust

- the largest in Canadian history - in the Toronto area. By tracing the sale of chemicals commonly used in hot tubs, deodorants and air fresheners - which also happen to be key ingredients for illicit drugs - cops uncovered a complex, organized ecstasy ring and with it 1,000 kilograms of liquid and powder MDMA (ecstasy).

The seized powdered drug was 96% pure and packed in vacuum-sealed bags, likely ready for shipment to the U.S. It's worth $100 million but has a potential street value of half a billion dollars and is more than the total amount seized in all of the U.S. in 2003, police said.

"The quantity is shocking," said Det. Don Cardwell of the vice squad. "I just hope (ecstasy production) isn't about to get out of hand like the marijuana labs."

York police, led by Det.-Const. Doug Tetrault, developed a new policing technique in July and began monitoring the sale of chemicals like safrole and piperonal which are precursors in the production of MDMA.

The method reaped big benefits for police on Dec. 6 as the chemicals were traced to two individuals, which led to two Toronto homes and a house in suburban Markham.

In total, three homes and four storage units in Toronto and Markham were raided over three days last week. Police also found a quantity of hash and some cash.

Seven people, mostly from B.C., have been arrested.

I'm glad my goods are local made :D

Not in English but a decent sized dutch E / Speed lab here.

Check out the glassware and the modified car exaust :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6eRQLZJ084

Straight out of breaking bad

sad, i saw bottles labeled PMA :(

also, i didnt get a glimpse of what the exhaust was attached to, wonder what they were using it for...

It could be a catalytic converter, those contain platinum. Platinum is used to burn of exhaust fumes so its better for the environment. It seems to me like they were trying to hide/burn the chemical smell to keep prying noses away.
 
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It could be a catalytic converter, those contain platinum. Platinum is used to burn of exhaust fumes so its better for the environment. It seems to me like they were trying to hide/burn the chemical smell to keep prying noses away.

Im not sure what its for might be a custom made reflux condensor unsure??

note: those charts may be from cheesy sites cuz i just image.googled to be able to grab graphics for the thread, but if you doubt the factual validity of anything i said then google yourself, i promise you we are the world's worst jailer, and it is because of the position we take on drugs.

The charts are great thanks makes a really easy understanding of your point. So I guess this is why we only ever see tweaked out Meth Lab Operators in the USA and nothing big scale like in the thread.

I am told that LSD is still made in a big way in the California Regions. However, as the doses are so tiny a lab making a few kilos of LSD a week is all that is needed for the lions share of the USA market. I suspect a lab on that scale is very hard to trace and the people doing it will be super intelligent as an LSD lab is a little more tricky than your average Meth or E setup.
 
The US still has plenty of superlabs lol. The lack of sophistication seen in shitty setups is typically accompanied by a lack of sophistication in the in's/out's of a properly clandestine operation, if that makes sense. If your setup is a disgusting, hazardous hodgepodge of crap, you're more likely to be equally as half-assed in the legal-safety aspects. Shitty labs have a higher% of being busted during any given stretch of time than higher quality labs <an assumption as there's clearly no data to know that for sure>
 
The US still has plenty of superlabs lol. The lack of sophistication seen in shitty setups is typically accompanied by a lack of sophistication in the in's/out's of a properly clandestine operation, if that makes sense. If your setup is a disgusting, hazardous hodgepodge of crap, you're more likely to be equally as half-assed in the legal-safety aspects. Shitty labs have a higher% of being busted during any given stretch of time than higher quality labs <an assumption as there's clearly no data to know that for sure>

Yeah im sure there are some superlabs but discretion would be the key. I wouldnt fancie being the lab owner I would be constantly paranoid. Interesting that Hobart Houson only got a couple of years back in the day for manufacture before he decided to become Mr Ecstasy.

A hazerdous hodgepodge of crap would logically lead to unnecessary suspision and of course sketchey deleveries and sketchey people would likely come hand in hand with it.

Whats the biggest E lab busted do date in the USA? I remember reading about one that was in an underground shipping container buried in someones front drive.

I also read about Pickard with his LSD lab. Otherwise all I ever seem to see is messey small time meth labs with a butchered gas bottle and a couple of polypropelene bottles with some gassing setup. All looks very hodgepodge to me. I sometimes wonder if the cops trash it first before taking pics.
 
ya hobart is a decent enough example, but let's not pretend he was the top of the field or was teh only one to've done such things ;]

I think he was top of his field for a while. Some of the custom labware illustrations in his books you can see implimented in the Aussie Superlab at the start of this thread.

The whole DEA thing with dateline I never really understood. I assumed the DEA had already busted him and the Science Alliance was to find others. No one will really know but that whole story seems too far fetched for me to beleive it at face value.
 
oh i'm not saying he didn't pioneer some things, or that he's not near the top of those who were trying to "spread the knowledge", just that there's incredible likelihood there were, and still are, much larger-scale ventures than even his (on continental US soil)

and yes there's lotsa q's on that whole scenario..
 
Cross-border methamphetamine trade booms amid Mexico's 'war on drugs'

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A soldier guards boilers at an outdoor clandestine methamphetamine laboratory
discovered in Chiquilistlan, Mexico


The number of methamphetamine “super labs” seized by Mexican authorities has rocketed in the last five years but shipments of the drug across the border have also continued to grow, according to government statistics.

The increase highlights how Mexico’s cartels have diversified beyond their traditional focus of exporting cocaine, heroin and marijuana by transforming their operations to also make methamphetamines on an industrial scale.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) has noted “a sustained upward trend in Mexican methamphetamine availability in U.S. markets.” Research by the U.S. government also shows that methamphetamine prices are falling and that the purity level of seizures is rising.
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According to information from Mexico’s Secretariat of National Defense, 22 methamphetamine labs were seized in 2007. That number increased to 206 in 2011.

The vast majority of these were classed as super labs – in contrast to smaller operations that characterize much of the production in the United States, a secretariat official confirmed to msnbc.com. The official asked for anonymity for security reasons.

"Methamphetamine seizure rates inside the United States and along the U.S.-Mexico border have increased markedly since 2007," according to a U.S. Department of Justice report.

'In the business of making money'
U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) officials said they could not comment specifically on statistics released by the Mexican government, but acknowledge that the cartels have adapted and changed since President Felipe Calderon declared his war on drugs in December 2006.

“There has been an evolution,” Special Agent Gary Boggs of the DEA’s Office of Diversion Control told msnbc.com. “All of these drug trafficking groups, they are not in the business of drugs, they are in the business of making money. So regardless of what the drug is, if there is a market for it they are going to try ways of making money out of it.”

Methamphetamine, a white, odorless and bitter crystalline powder, dissolves in water or alcohol and can be taken orally, snorted, injected or smoked. Known as meth, chalk, go-fast, zip, ice and crystal, among other names, it can be very addictive and lead to dramatic weight loss, dental problems, paranoia, hallucinations and extreme violence.

The methamphetamine trade is only part of the drug problem confronting Mexico – the country’s cartels also produce or traffic large amounts of cocaine, heroin and marijuana, among other narcotics. Since Calderon's war on drugs began, more than 47,500 people have been killed, according to the country's attorney general's office. The worsening violence and continued flow of drugs has caused many to question whether Mexico’s militarized approach is the right way to stamp out the cartels.

While most of the bloodshed in the war on drugs has been south of the border, the problem has had a direct impact on Americans. Mexico is the primary source of methamphetamines consumed in the U.S., according to the Department of Justice’s National Drug Threat Assessment 2011.

“Methamphetamine production in Mexico is robust and stable, as evidenced by recent law enforcement reporting, laboratory seizure data, an increasing flow from Mexico, and a sustained upward trend in Mexican methamphetamine availability in U.S. markets,” according to the study, which bases its conclusions on data running through September 2010. “Law enforcement and intelligence reporting, as well as seizure, price, and purity data, indicate that the availability of methamphetamine in general is increasing in every region of the (United States).”

According to the Department of Justice report, from July 2007 through September 2010, the price per pure gram of methamphetamine decreased 60.9 percent, from $270.10 to $105.49. Purity increased 114.1 percent, from 39 percent to 83 percent.

Booming business
After declining sharply in 2007, methamphetamine seizures along the Mexico-U.S. border have increased every year.

The dramatic growth in operations targeting Mexican methamphetamine super labs from 2007 and 2011 is likely the result of the huge increase in military involvement during Calderon’s war on drugs, said Octavio Rodriguez, coordinator of the Justice in Mexico Project at the University of San Diego’s Trans-Border Institute.

This jump in decommissions cannot be taken alone, however – falling prices also suggest that the trade in methamphetamines remains a booming business despite the enormous military deployment.

“My impression is that this data shows a much greater effectiveness on the part of the army,” Rodriguez told msnbc.com. “But what these numbers imply to me is that if lab seizures are growing and the price is falling is that the production is so high that it is not causing a serious impact. In other words, if seizures are not having a real effect on prices and the price continues to fall it means that the seizures aren’t even affecting the level of production.”
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Since 2007, Mexican spending on security, which includes the army, navy, federal police and attorney general's office, has almost doubled to reach more than $46 billion.

The United States, the world’s largest consumer of illegal drugs, had spent around $1.4 billion since 2008 on the struggle against the cartels in Mexico and Central America as part of the so-called Merida Initiative. Meanwhile, U.S. border patrols costing the United States $3 billion per year have helped make the nearly 2,000-mile-long boundary as fortified as it has been in 160 years, according to a report by the Council of Foreign Relations.

But despite the billions spent and tens of thousands of lives lost, the organization thought to be controlling much of the methamphetamine trade as well as heroin and marijuana, the Sinaloa cartel, remains staggeringly powerful. In January, Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman, at the helm of the group believed to control the methamphetamine trade and the drug’s key ingredients, earned the title of “world’s most powerful drug trafficker” from the U.S. Department of Treasury.

Fugitive drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman is believed to be a billionaire.

Guzman has also appeared on Forbes’ World’s Most Powerful People list since 2009, and is thought to be the world’s richest drug dealer, according to the magazine.

Key chemicals
Officials say key to stamping out the methamphetamine trade is interrupting the flow of chemicals needed to manufacture it, known as precursors.

China and India are the main countries involved in the trafficking of key precursor chemicals to Mexico, the DEA’s Boggs said

“We’ve … taken steps to work with our international partners to curb international chemical smuggling,” he added.

Despite efforts by officials on both sides of the border, the trade in methamphetamines and precursors is likely spreading south. According to The Associated Press, 1,600 tons of precursors were seized in Guatemala in 2011, up from 400 seized there in 2010.

In December alone, 675 tons of precursors destined for Guatemala were seized in Mexico. Most of it came from Shanghai, China, the AP reported. At $100 per gram for the finished product, that would end up producing hundreds of billions of dollars-worth of drugs.
 
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just that there's incredible likelihood there were, and still are, much larger-scale ventures than even his (on continental US soil)

Yeah sure I guess it depends on what type of venture your referring to.

Large Scale LSD Lab California Bound - Very Likely

Large Scale Chemical Supply House Happily Supplying Schedule I Precursors to Ravers - Unlikely

Large Scale E Lab Similiar in Size to the Aussie Lab on Page 1 and the dutch Super Lab Above - Less Likely

Small - Medium Scale Lab Manufacturing and Pressing - Likely (Maybe Pokeballs / Chi Mints)

Small Pill Presses either importing MDMA or RCs and Pressing Up - In Abundance (all over USA hence all the bunk now)
 
According to the Department of Justice report, from July 2007 through September 2010, the price per pure gram of methamphetamine decreased 60.9 percent, from $270.10 to $105.49. Purity increased 114.1 percent, from 39 percent to 83 percent.

holy shit.
Think of the children.
If you're a "drug warrior", you should probably hop on the legalize-pot bandwagon asap, if you want any measurable sway over consumption trends. Legalizing pot means kids' #1 recreational drug of choice can be taken out of the same black market realm ice is moved through. Ramping up your counter-narcotics efforts has failed to touch the proliferation of meth, your own DOJ assessment paints about as dismal a picture as possible. If you *increase* availability of marijuana, you're offering an effective deterrent. Something to think about.
 
This is what I imagine there being a lot of in USA.

Small little mom and pop setups like this that are very small, can be ordered online under the pretence of chem hobby kits and can happily supply a small circle of friends.

I am not sure what punishment you would receive if you got caught with a setup like this?

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According to the Department of Justice report, from July 2007 through September 2010, the price per pure gram of methamphetamine decreased 60.9 percent, from $270.10 to $105.49. Purity increased 114.1 percent, from 39 percent to 83 percent.

holy shit.
Think of the children.
If you're a "drug warrior", you should probably hop on the legalize-pot bandwagon asap, if you want any measurable sway over consumption trends. Legalizing pot means kids' #1 recreational drug of choice can be taken out of the same black market realm ice is moved through. Ramping up your counter-narcotics efforts has failed to touch the proliferation of meth, your own DOJ assessment paints about as dismal a picture as possible. If you *increase* availability of marijuana, you're offering an effective deterrent. Something to think about.

oh and that huge shift towards higher purity and lower prices comes after '80-->'00 saw a price drop of over 50%:

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And that drop during '80-'00 was despite more than tripling the DEA budget:

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^that's in millions, right now they're mid$3B's.
[the DEA budget, of course, being but a small portion of the total $ we throw away annually to keep the failed war alive, maybe 10% of what we spend directly on "combating drugs"- clearly i'm talking before the costs of wasted time by local police, prison space, courts etc etc etc that are all being wasted]
 
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Mexico drug wars: graphic pictures


NSFW:

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9 March: Mexican Army soldiers guard a clandestine drug lab in the Tingambato municipality, Michoacan state. Some 300kg of crystal meth and a ton of ephedrine were seized during the operation

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Guarding bags of Sodium Hydroxide and Massive Reaction Chamber

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Whopping Amounts of Drying and Bagged Meth

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More drying meth

Why Mexican crystal meth is America's problem

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CULIACAN, Mexico (GlobalPost) — The colossal water cistern set in a clearing in a hilly, heavily forested area can hold 25,000 liters of water — enough to irrigate a major food farm.

But follow the pipes down and there, beneath a corrugated iron roof and resting on hay bales, and its real, more sinister purpose is revealed.

Here in the heat of northern Mexico, the factory churned out record amounts of methamphetamine — known on the American streets as crystal meth, or ice — a drug that has torn through the United States and become the biggest growth area for cartels south of the border.

U.S. police have known for several years that the cartels were gaining strength in the meth trade, taking over a business that used to be run by American biker gangs that cooked up crystal in buckets and bath tubs.

But a recent series of raids by the Mexican military revealed that the cartel meth factories have become even bigger and more sophisticated than previously thought.

Busted in June, the factory in the clearing near this unwieldy Mexican city is estimated to have produced 40 metric tons of meth, worth some $1.4 billion on American streets, in just two months before it was shut down — making it the largest operation of its kind to be exposed in the continent.

Huge barrels with the precursor chemical pseudoephedrine also fill the factory, unleashing a foul smell throughout the clearing.

Next to the vats and barrels stand rows of towering mobile gas tanks and a tangle of electric cables sprawling from a large generator.

"Mexico now has some massive and very sophisticated operations. We call them super labs," said the Drug Enforcement Agency's Elizabeth Kempshall, special agent in charge of the Phoenix Division.

Kempshall follows the meth production in Mexico because tons of the produce are trafficked through her jurisdiction in Arizona.

This vast supply has helped boost consumption of the drug — which looks like a white flaky crystal and can be smoked in pipes as well as injected or snorted.

Meth is now the most popular hard drug in America's Midwest and West, ahead of cocaine and heroin, according to the DEA.

This surge has come about as gangsters have developed new, concentrated forms of meth that are more potent than any other drugs on the market.

"You smoke meth and it can give you a high twice as long as crack cocaine," Kempshall said. "While crack cocaine focused on the inner cities, meth has swept the whole nation, especially the suburbs."

The euphoric effect of crystal can allow people to work for days without rest, fuel hectic parties and give users unstoppable libidos.

But addicts soon fall foul of the drug's longer lasting effects, suffering chronic paranoia, violent tendencies and tooth loss — known as meth mouth.

"Meth can make you rob and fight without thinking about it. It just amplifies the real evil side of people," said Craig Stuart, a stocky 25-year old addict, recovering in a rehab center in Phoenix.

The dollars spent by junkies such as Stuart provide immense wealth south of the border.

In 2007, police swept on a Mexico City mansion to find $207 million piled up in huge mountains of notes in what the DEA said was the biggest cash bust in world history.

The homeowner Zhenli Ye Gon, a Chinese national, was later arrested in the United States, where he is now standing trial for selling raw chemicals to cartels for the production of meth.

Such immense profits lead to bloody turf battles in a country where the minimum wage is just $5 a day.

Nearly 4,000 people have been killed in drug-related violence in Mexico this year despite the army patrolling the streets to keep order.

The meth trade has also helped spawn new ultra-violent gangs such as La Familia Michoacana, a crime syndicate based in the lush highlands of western Mexico.

Emerging in 2006, La Familia is alleged to have produced hundreds of tons of crystal in its rolling hills and used the money to finance an army of killers to protect its trade.

After the federal police this year busted 39 meth labs belonging to La Familia and nabbed some of its kingpins, the group hit back hard, its gunmen attacked police bases across the region with grenades and assault rifles.

They then kidnapped 12 police off-duty officers, tortured and shot them, and lined up their corpses on a road.

"Try and arrest another one of us," said a note in scrawling handwriting next to the bodies. "We are waiting for you here."

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^^ This was the E Lab I was on about in an underground shipping container.

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^^ The side has been dug out by the police when discovered.

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^^ Entrance Hole. Panels would have been dug out of the side for ventalation

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^^ Similiar idea here but an inside underground drug lab. Hope they had good
ventilation yikes!! I can imagine being down there amongst amonia etc rather grim :(

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^^ Wow an underground chemist following some safety advice and making an underground
version of a fume hood. Its a bit sketchey but it would certainly prevent boiling hot
solvents and fragmented glass blowing into your face.

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^^ This is what a real fume hood looks like

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^^ Police Version Propaganda Meth Lab

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^^ Another police demo meth lab. This time the lab owner looked like they may have been
a monkey in their former life and hung everything from the roof. Looks like a coffee
grinder has had a condensor stuck in the side of it and a rubber pipe has had a copper
pipe pushed through it. Mmmmm some how me thinks this is a setup 8(
 
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In 2007, police swept on a Mexico City mansion to find $207 million piled up in huge mountains of notes in what the DEA said was the biggest cash bust in world history.

The homeowner Zhenli Ye Gon, a Chinese national, was later arrested in the United States, where he is now standing trial for selling raw chemicals to cartels for the production of meth.

For those unfamiliar, Zhenli is someone worth googling; it is not as simple as that^.
Zhenli owned unimed(amongst other pharm co's), and imported pseudo into mexico with gov sanction until '05. The charges he faces are that he had a shipment afterwards. Now, while you probably didn't remember his name, you probably remember the pic of some of the cash found at his mansion:
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Wondering why a "meth lord" was keeping ~$200M+ in his personal mansion? Me too; not really in keeping with someone who considers the $$ to be contraband... Zhenli claims that ~$50M of it is his, the rest is $ he was safeguarding for/at the instruction of Calderon's party(PAN). Not surprisingly, this has been dismissed as nonsense by president calderon (the majority of mexicans *do not* side with their government in this case, which is a large media topic in mexico. "I believe the Chinaman" or something like that (lol) bumper stickers are a common sight)

Zhenli intended to seek political asylum in the US, and was with his (wife? friend? meh) eating near a mall (no hiding, no bodyguards) when 7-8 DEA agents came in and escorted him out.

The US DOJ (not Zhenli or his lawyers) filed motion to dismiss the case in june'09, citing Mexico's interests as well as evidentiary concerns. The case was dismissed(with predjudice) in august'09, and he's awaiting what he fears- extradition to mexico (note that your typical narcotrafficker is the opposite- teh US justice system is to be feared/avoided)

Hopefully *someone* here is familiar enough with this case to elaborate for us. I'm very interested to know what mexican interests our DOJ would cite in dismissing a case that's over enough pseudo for ~$700B+ ice. Their interests to produce cheap ice? The interests of calderon to be just as involved as any druglord, despite being the one waging the obscenely bloody mexican drug war we've seen these past years?
(this is our way of regulating the narcotics industry? if we're gonna have our fingers in it from chinese pseudo to US street dealers, let's just legalize, nationalize and tax the fucker already, and watch what it does for social concerns and the US economy (both from direct effects and from secondary things, like strengthening mexico economically. Think of what teh drug war does to mexico, and then realize that all ethical/humanitarian concerns aside, they are our 3rd largest trade partner, and they're living under war/drug lords in HUGE parts of the country))



Zhenli isn't the only high-profile narco-case that has the potential to show some serious foul play by gov's. Cannot recall names(I suck at recalling spanish names lol) but if you care to google you'll find the big sinaloa bosses* case where they're making the (believable)claim they are immune and were acting with US/DEA sanction. Their case is not without merit.

FWIW, Zhenli's supposed allegiance was with sinaloa (very strong evidence that sinaloa is the "sanctioned"/ignored cartel by mx/us authorities). Also of interest is the $100M+ that Zhenli spent (read: laundered) at one of Sheldon Adelson's casino's in vegas (edit: perhaps much more, see:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenb...s-targeted-in-money-laundering-investigation/



The dollars spent by junkies such as Stuart provide immense wealth south of the border.
What a disingenuous, ignorant way of stating it. Stuart's addiction would require only dollars' worth of meth at true production costs- the "immense wealth" provided to traffickers/terrorists/criminals comes from the artificial inflation created by the drug war, not directly from junkies' consumption needs. Stated another way- stuart's usage would provide no money to shady organizations on its own, but we've gone ahead and effectively subsidized these massive criminal org's by instituting an obscene markup, paid for in US addicts' dollars, tons of blood right south of our border (and there's more and more reports of these criminal DTO outfits becoming increasingly associated with islamic terrorist factions. because if there's one thing the homeland security crowd should be scared of there, it's a massive shipping corridor that's effectively w/o governmental oversight (no matter how much $ or enforcement we throw at it, it's still just a very small piece of the industry we effectively see), whose main function is moving large amounts of product into our country w/o our government knowing. That's an industry we can't afford to support, yet that is about the entirety of what our drug laws accomplish.


Such immense profits lead to bloody turf battles in a country where the minimum wage is just $5 a day.
this dynamic is what makes our domestic fallout from the drug war seem like a walk in the park. this, combined with the prices that otherwise cheap commodities could never have reached w/o artificial hiking from prohibition, creates government-like powers for the narco industries. What we're seeing now in mexico isn't new, just look at what happened in colombia after we declared war on drugs in '71, we turned the FARC into a well-funded, full-fledged terrorist organization (which saw the creation of AUC in response), and the country has been in full-fledged civil war since (a war that we are party to, not just wrt its inception or in some ideological sense, but in a real sense of $, personnel on the ground and training. Some would argue that ends justify means, and that a lot of this is necessary-evil, to keep influence in the region <some say this for our involvement in the 2nd largest drug-producing state behind colombia: afghanistan>. A simple glimpse of the $#'s would show that, ethics aside, this can be accomplished far cheaper through legalizing and controlling hte markets directly).
Drug money liquidity saved many banks from collapse(and the global economy from such impact) in '08. The illicit drug economy accounts for about 1% of global GDP, as it stands right now. Again, one could put aside morality, ethics and human-rights concerns, and contend that such an industry clearly does have huge economic implications, and that the 1%GDP is only that high because of artificial-inflation, ie that such a large market only exists by virtue of prohibition. This is short-sightedness at its worst. If you do not see how legalizing drugs will, after some years, allow economies and nations to repurpose resources and citizens into more productive uses, you're being incredibly ignorant. The money and effort wasted to turn a profit in the global drug market would have to find new venues if drugs were legalized, and not only would this create more total productivity<as effort and money is not wasted on fighting an artificial barrier ie the drug war>, but the $ goes to different parts of society<ie doesn't enrich criminal/terrorist org's to nearly the extent we do today. Our drug war directly funds these people.)
Vested interests in the current state of affairs include almost everyone, sadly, except ideologically-concerned anti-prohibitionists (basically, nerds like myself). Government officials and large banks*, as organizations, are BETTER OFF if we legalize- the same cannot be said about *specific* politicians and bankers, ergo a strong resistance to change at the levels where change typically comes from, or at the very least, must enjoy support from.
[*read: HBUS and HBMX to see how institutionalized the black-market profits have become]
Yet another "unintended consequence" of prohibition, we have allowed massive power accumulations in institutionalized areas such as these banks, or the DEA, that are now very very threatened by the prospect of legalization, despite it providing a net-benefit to governments as a whole, or the banking industry as a whole.



alright i've spent wayy longer on this post than intended so am leaving for now but this will likely be edited and expanded later.
 
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Mexico's Sinaloa cartel makes big move into meth

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The war on drugs has a new front, and so far it appears to be a losing one.

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico's most powerful drug cartel appears to be expanding methamphetamine production on a massive scale, filling a gap left by the breakdown of a rival gang that was once the top trafficker of the synthetic drug.

The globe-spanning Sinaloa cartel is suspected of dealing record tons of drugs and precursor chemicals processed in industrial-sized operations.

The apparent increase in the Sinaloa group's involvement comes as the Mexican government says it has dismantled the La Familia gang with key arrests and killings of its leadership, and as Mexico is once again the primary source of meth to the United States, according to U.S. drug intelligence reports.

Methamphetamine production, gauged by seizures of labs and drugs in Mexico, has increased dramatically since 2008.

Mexican authorities have made two major busts in as many months in the quiet central state of Queretaro. In one case, they seized nearly 500 tons (450 metric tons) of precursor chemicals. Another netted 3.4 tons (3.1 metric tons) of pure meth, which at $15,000 a pound would have a street value of more than $100 million.

Authorities said they couldn't put a value on the precursors, which were likely headed for a 300-foot-long (100-meter-long) industrial processing lab found buried 12 feet (4 meters) underground in a farm field in the cartel's home, Sinaloa state.

"We think it was Sinaloa," said a U.S. law enforcement official in Mexico, noting that Sinaloa can piggyback meth onto the network it already has for cocaine, heroin and marijuana. "They may now have this renewed interest in trying to control a bigger portion of the meth market. Although La Familia has distribution points in the U.S. ... they don't have the distribution network that Sinaloa cartel has."

He couldn't be named for security reasons.

Steve Preisler, an industrial chemist who wrote the book "Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture" and is sometimes called the father of modern meth-making, said "the quantity is just amazing."

"It is a huge amount of starting material which would allow them to dominate the world market," Preisler, who served 3½ years in prison more than two decades ago, emailed The Associated Press in reply to questions. He added that the most efficient production methods would yield about half the weight of the precursors in uncut meth, or between 200 and 250 tons, which could be worth billions of dollars.

Officials of Mexico's federal police, army and attorney general's office refused to comment on who owned the meth lab or precursor warehouses.

Meth availability in the U.S. has rebounded since the drop in 2007 and is directly related to production in Mexico, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

Meth seizures remained roughly level in the U.S. at 8.16 tons (7.4 metric tons) in 2008 and 8.27 (7.5 metric tons) in 2009. But Mexico went from seizing 0.37 tons (0.34 metric tons) in 2008 to 6.72 tons (6.1 metric tons) in 2009, the U.N report said.

Mexican meth seizure figures for 2010 are not yet published, but the U.S. official said they almost certainly rose over 2009.

Authorities seized 200 tons of precursor chemicals at the seaport of Manzanillo last year, a raid that the Attorney General's Office described at the time as the largest in Mexican history. The Queretaro seizure last month was double that.

Seizures of methamphetamine laboratories also have increased dramatically, according to the U.S. State Department's 2011 International Narcotics Control Report. The number of methamphetamine labs seized by Mexican authorities jumped from 57 in 2008 to 217 in 2009, and the number of busts remained almost as high in early 2010. The volume "suggests that it is not solely for U.S. and domestic consumption," the report said.

The Mexican government says its offensive against La Familia, a pseudo-religious gang based in western Michoacan state that was once the country's main meth producer, is one of the key successes in its crackdown on organized crime and drug-trafficking. Founder Nazario Moreno Gonzalez was killed in a two-day shootout with federal police in December. His right-hand man, Jose de Jesus Mendez Vargas, who allegedly ran the meth operations, was arrested in June.

But the U.S. official said other gangs are now trying to fill the void.

Sinaloa, headed by fugitive drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, tends to think big: in mid-July, Mexican soldiers found a 300-acre (120 hectare) marijuana field in Baja California, the biggest such plantation in the country's history. The army said laborers working for the Sinaloa cartel planted thousands of plants under vast swaths of shade cloth and irrigated and fertilized them.

But nobody was prepared for the size of the meth network officials found in industry-heavy Queretaro, one of Mexico's safest states in terms of drug violence. The two seizures were related, the U.S. official said, and came out of the arrest of a local meth distributor months ago.

When soldiers raided three interconnected warehouses on June 15, they thought they had found 1,462 50-gallon drums filled with various precursors. But when experts examined the stash, they found 3.4 tons (3.1 metric tons) of pure meth.

Last month, soldiers discovered another warehouse at an industrial park piled with 300 metric tons of solid phenylacetamide and the equivalent of about 150 tons of liquid methyl phenylacetate.

Used in an old type of meth production known as "P2P," the ingredients are easier to smuggle, or to make from other substances that aren't specifically banned. Such precursors have become more prevalent since Mexico outlawed meth's main ingredient, pseudoephedrine, in 2007.

Authorities say the P2P method produces a less-potent drug. But the 2011 World Drug Report released in June by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime noted that the sheer quantity of meth the Mexican cartels are producing allows them offer it in purer form.

Soldiers found a sophisticated underground meth lab near the Sinaloa coast city of Mazatlan on June 26. The two-story structure had an elevator and ventilation systems, cooking and sleeping facilities. The house-sized under ground complex was reachable only by a 30-meter (yard) long tunnel, the opening disguised under a tractor shed.

The U.S. official said the warehouse in Queretaro raided in July was apparently meant to supply the underground lab in Sinaloa.

Some speculate that the Sinaloa cartel is trying to reach even beyond the U.S. Police in Malaysia arrested three Mexican brothers in March 2008 at a secluded meth factory along with a Singaporean and a Malaysian, and seized more than 60 pounds (nearly 30 kilograms) of methamphetamine.

While the U.S. official wouldn't say that the men belonged to the Sinaloa cartel, he noted that were from Sinaloa state.

"Were they over there showing people how to cook meth? ... Or was it a test for Sinaloa, a test of the capability of expanding the market to that part of the world?" he said.

Such an Asian connection would be a natural link for the cartel, since most of Mexico's precursor chemicals come from the region.
 
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^^ Yeah you might be right not so relevant to labs ill find something else :)

Updated! A story about a monster load of Precursors being discovered in Mexico.

As a mild understatement looks like you have a big Meth Problem in America.

Reading all this I am surprised the price per gram is not lower. This latest round of labs is operating on an uncontrolable scale.

That shot at the top of row of with approx 10+ 40 Litre Round Flasks with Allihn Condensors fitted. The glassware was immaculate. Looks like they were aiming for Max purity on a total industrial scale.

Looks like some kind of legalisation might be the only way to go the situation looks totally and utterly out of control.

I am still amazed we dont see any Mex Super E Labs Busted. I suspect these labs may well also pump out MDMA as required. Maybe theres more money in meth than MDMA dont knw for sure.

Cheers on all your write ups above a great addition to the thread. Its becoming a minefield of Lab and Legal info :D
 
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