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Not sure if I'm allowed to post this or if it's to close to synth discussion but I'll try my luck anyway, I guess it's also a purification method.

I have no doubt the MDMA I've been getting recently if of a very high quality, I've tested it with a test kit and rolled hard off 100mg before. The problem is that it's always very powdered, upon looking closely you can see it's very small crystals. Quite frankly this just doesn't do it justice whatsoever and if/when a third party looks at it, it pretty much just looks like you're standard shit tier molly. I know the basics when it comes to recrystallizing but was just looking for some advise/tips on what equipment to use. I'd prefer it to be something I can get from a local store, don't really want to buy anything online as I have enough post coming through at the moment as it is.

The main thing I'm struggling with is finding a suitable pot/pan that I can heat the solvent up (99.9% iso alcohol). I only need to use a small amount of iso alcohol and I'm struggling to find anything small that I can heat. Would heating it in a normal pan on an electric hob do the trick? Then transferring it into smaller glassware before adding it to the MDMA. Finally, what type of container should I allow the recrystallizing to occur in. Would a shallow plate work or is there actually reasoning to using a vial. (lol)

Preferably something I could do incognito, would rather the people I live with not finding out.
 
Yeah sorry.. but I don't think the mods will allow this...

This is basically going to tell people how to cut MDMA, and as users we wouldn't want to do that :) if you're smart enough to attempt things like this, I'm sure you can figure it out on your own
 
Folley said:
Yeah sorry.. but I don't think the mods will allow this...

This is basically going to tell people how to cut MDMA, and as users we wouldn't want to do that :) if you're smart enough to attempt things like this, I'm sure you can figure it out on your own
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Isn't it also a pretty success purification method though? The process would filter out any impurities and thus adding a cut would be pointless?

Anyway, don't want to stray to far off-topic, feel like I'm already pushing the boat out a little bit here.
 
Recrystallization absolutely DOES get rid of impurities more than an acetone wash, that's the entire purpose of recrystallization. Use the pot/pan to make a hot-water bath, you can get the water up to boiling. Then use a second, smaller container in this water bath (imagine something like a double-boiler) to heat up the IPA to boiling. It is very dangerous to heat solvents on direct heat because most are extremely flammable and IPA is no exception. Then, in a small glass, perhaps something like a wine glass, you slowly add the hot IPA to the crystals you have, swirling to mix, until you have just barely dissolve ALL of them.

You don't want to do the actual recrystallization in a large pan or on a plate because you don't want the solvent to evaporate. The solvent needs to still be there after cooling is complete, so that it can be poured off once the recrystallization is complete. If the solvent simply evaporates, you haven't removed any impurities.

With all that being said, if you already know that the stuff you have is pure, this is a very wasteful idea. By its very nature, recrystallization ALWAYS wastes some of the material, even if it is performed perfectly, in perfect conditions, with perfect equipment. While crystal size CAN be indicative of quality, the reverse is not always true. Small crystals doesn't necessarily = impure product. Small crystals CAN mean impure material, or it can also mean material that crystallized very quickly but was still very pure.

Also, how does explaining to someone how to recrystallize equate to teaching them how to cut MDMA?
 
scureto1 said:
Also, how does explaining to someone how to recrystallize equate to teaching them how to cut MDMA?
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There is only one extra step in that process to come out with rock of cut MDMA, if I'm not mistaken. That's how you cut methamphetamine with MSM, no?


If his stuff is already "pure", I just don't see why he would want to do this unless he was going to cut it and didn't want people to know...
 
Any advise on allowing it to cool slowly? Should I cool it down in a pan of warm/boiling water and then once it's room temperature place it in an ice bath?

Thanks for the reply :D
 
Cool it by setting it on something non-conductive and letting it cool to room temperature that way, and then fridge for a couple hours, then freezer overnight is best. Haha its hard to be patient for that long though, I know.

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Maybe he wants to do it to grow larger crystals, to make what he knows to be a good product look as good as it really is to uneducated observers. Maybe he wants to do it because he likes the look of big crystals. Maybe he wants to do it to play at being a chemist. Who knows? He asked how to recrystallize, not how to cut, and recrystallization can be a useful process in terms of harm reduction. Its really hypocritical for one drug user to want to deny other drug users knowledge because they might not use it properly, don't you think? Sounds a lot like the way the government treats us (drug users).
 
Even if he wasn't cutting it, the real only reason anyone would risk the losses involved is to make it sell better... if it's your own personal stash, why does it matter what it looks like?


Personally, I just don't see why anyone would ever do this with "pure" product unless they wanted to make money from it.. and Bluelight isn't here to help you make money :\
 
Took the plunge and tried it on a fairly substantial amount, so far it's looking good. Despite the lack of equipment it's looking promising. Going to move it from the fridge to the freezer is an hour or so.

Verry happy, thanks scureto.
 
i fail to not see how a re-x tek isnt useful for hr/purity purposes.

re-xing your mdma from a dry alcohol WILL remove impurities, even if you let the solvent evap. It just requires another acetone wash.

It gives you a purer product, because you can only grow big shards of a substance if its not contaminated or cut. so when you do a hot dry alcohol re-x, the substance (in this case mdma) crystallizes out while the contaminants that were originally caught up in the crystal structure stay in solution for the most part.

this happens because the concentration of the impurities is less than the initial crystallization, so you get larger, clearer, shards. and the mdma that did not smell of safarole before re-xing, now does. since it was the last compound to precipitate out.

how i do it is to just let the mdma/dry etoh or ipa solution evap, then wash with dry acetone. each time you do this you get bigger shards that have less, not more, cuts/impurities caught up in them. and you lose very little mdma since the only solvent you discard is the acetone you washed the shards with.

works the same way with mescaline hcl.

an indication of purity is clear large crystals. not opaque rocks. Re-xing is not the same as trying to crystallize your mdma and its cuts into a milky/tan rock to givew the appearance of purity to the untrained eye. perhaps thats what folley is referring to. but thats something else entirely.
 
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