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for real bro on here bluelight any idea or suggestions we post is not take seriously-- getting a group of people no homo is a good idea to get the answer o well hopefully one day on here they understand this ..president Obama don't listen to one guy in fact he doesn't care if this guy agree with him but 10.000 he going to adresses the problem ... When one person get sick in nyc nobody cares but 100 you will see reports on every single channel.. the same goes to any research money is not the problem for the research when they see a lot of people suffering at the same time... Dr google is not the answer... maybe later on here bluelight see that I was right oh well

1 problem with this is that everybody suffers from different symptoms. Yeh the symptoms overlap, but clearly different parts of the brain is being affected in different people. But maybe something could be found out, which would lead to another thing.

All in all, its probably worth a shot. If a group of people got their DNA analaysed and compared, something might come up
 
First!

Just to be on topic. I have now passed the six month line and am heading towards the seventh. The past few months have been the same. No going forward, only backwards and therefore I have decided to make a chronological list on order of actions to try getting me out of this misery.

Up until recently I have been working out, eating well and sleeping 7-9 hours a day and also CBT. CBT has sometimes thrown be back (because of too much exposure I assume) so I will take it more carefully moreover. But I am not satisfied with my situation so these are the following steps I will start with to see if there is any improvements. Of course I will continue with the routines above.

1. Start meditating. I already began doing this a couple of days ago. I started out on 5 min in the morning and 5 min in the evening and for every day that passes I will increase with a minute until I reach 15 or 20.
2. Start taking amino tabs. The same day I ordered 5-HTP I remembered I have amino tabs (for working out) at home which happened to have L-Tyrosin so for a couple of days I have started to take these.

It has only passed a couple of days and I can seriously feel an improvement. I can't tell if that is placebo or actual progress but one thing is sure - I have left a bad spiral and hopefully I will never have to return.

3. Soon my 5-HTP will arrive. I will take this daily until my serotonin levels are back to normal. I have read about people having LTC for months and then trying 5-HTP for a month, filling up their levels to maximum and then getting healthy and back to normal again. My doctor says it is fine since it is an amino acid that could be found in our body and therefore is natural. Once the levels are back to normal it will stop building serotonin which is supposed to be noticeable. If this is the case of low serotonin I will not proceed with the list.

4. Acupuncture. I have heard that this is amazing against anxiety and have previously refused to try it because I have wanted to work my anxiety issues out by myself but I feel that I have done that and am now willing to try it out.

5. SSRI. The last resort. If I keep feeling shitty in a month I will try these out. I know what I am capable of and if the side effects are the worst thing awaiting I can manage them. I don't believe the addiction is something to worry about. My ambitions are very clear. This is just a way out of a potentially larger bad spiral.

I will return with results when I start feeling further changes!

I super appreciate your sharing & follow-up. Thanks for covering this topic, as I look to MDMA's potential in PTSD studies, & this is the 1st detailed account of it's kind I've seen, as I understand. Please take care, hope you have a full or decent recovery.
 
If a group of people got their DNA analaysed and compared, something might come up

That something would probably be the S allele of the serotonin transporter gene, which is significantly associated with adverse reactions to MDMA.

There have been many studies done on MDMA, many of them funded by the NIH because they realize MDMA is a public health concern, but the problem is a doctor isn't going to bother to read through them for a patient, and even then if the problem is degenerating brain cells there is only so much you can do.

If you have things like depression or insomnia then we can at least try to medicate those things but it's up to the patient to do the cardio and such to regenerate brain cells, and the cardio is what will really matter honestly.
 
It's happened to me too. I ate X like candy sometimes 10-12 per night over a course of 5 years. Haven't done any since but I get foggy brain, irritable trouble sleeping. I also had chemo and radiation to my head and neck which also causes issue
 
This is my first post here. And I have been reading a lot of peoples stories and it is giving me more hope. Let me just say I have been clean for 1.5 years. My MDMA use still effects me every single day of my life. I wish I would have found this site before things took a turn for the worse. It could have saved me big time.

I started smoking weed my senior year of highschool, only smoked and nothing else for a solid 6-8 monts. Then acid got introduced to me from my weed dealer. Then another guy I got bud from offered me Percocet and I really liked that and became more and more attached gradually. Then one day this same individual offered me Molly. I thought yeah i'll try it. After I parachuted that first .1 g dose. I was honestly intrigued by how good it made me feel. So when that wore off I dosed again. I gave myself a couple day break and then dosed some more. Before I knew I knew it I was dosing more and more at one time and dosing multiple times a week. I then vowed to take breaks after that first honeymoon phase with the drug. I could tell it was messing me up the hangovers where bad.

But I of course couldn't resist after an only 2 week break and went back to dosing probably .2 at a time and dosing twice in the same night. Dancing around my room by myself like a fucking idiot listening to music. I was becoming obsessed with how this substance made me feel. After another terrible hangover I took a month break, which at the time my ignorant self thought it was a sufficient amount. But hell no it was not I was an idiot at the time. My last and final dose of MDMA was complete hell. I bought 2 clear capsules with crystals in them. There was a good amount in each one probably .3 g. My plan at the time was to only break down half of the powder in one capsule in each pill and parachute. But being the idiot I am after taking half a one I wanted to feel better so I took more. And then more. And then more. Before I knew it the .6 g of the MDMA and whatever else it was cut with was gone. It was the worst experience of my life, I was way too fucked up. I was unable to sleep that night and was puking a lot the next day. And also felt completely disconnected from everybody and everything around me. I knew what I had done was a horrible mistake.

My Mom knew I smoked weed and hated it, I would quite smoking for a week when she caught me and then go back to smoking. My mom then saw me on that horrible morning and saw the state I was in and knew I was on something and she looked at me with the most angry yet concerned look and yelled "what the fuck are you on, I see it in your eyes you are fucked up!!" She wanted to cry I could see it. So I opened up and began crying and told her about everything that was really going on. How I wasnt just smoking how I was snorting percocet as well, doing acid frequently, popping xanax and doing molly frequently. She then did what any mother would do and shipped me to inpatient therapy for a week and then an outpatient program for another 8 months.

Since then I have been clean and it has been 1.5 years. I can tell the frequent MDMA use is still effecting me. I still beat myself up for what I did, the anxiety and depression I feel is overwhelming at times. Thoughts of suicide creep in at times but are quickly thrown out. These are things that never happened to me before my MDMA abuse. How disconnected I can feel from other people and how it has hurt my social abilities kills me. BUT, I know it is going to take time for my brain to heal, it could take another 3 years.

I wish I could have found this site earlier. It could have saved me. MDMA use can be a beautiful thing in moderation and can help you mentally and change your perception in a positive way. But if you do what I did, there is hell to pay. I am living with the consequences of my actions, I hope maybe someone sees my story and can learn from it and not do what I did. Seeing some of your posts and progress some of you have made makes it easier to deal with the effects I still feel. Cuz I know there is hope and my brain is slowly healing. Have a good day everyone thanks for reading if you did
 
The common denominator as I realize is to do build up to gradual exercise and keep going now matter what. It is a known fact that exercise can cure any diseases as long as you are not in final stages of something like cancer.
 
Absolutely. Exercise is the way forward. The harder it is, the more deconditioned you are and the more you will benefit from it, so even if it is hard take that as a good sign that it is going to heal you.
 
Thanks man for the support I wish I would of seen you on the early mdma recovery threads. Your situation is pretty unique and kind of matches mine in regards to the binges
 
can exercise make brain zaps worse in the short run? I've had brain zaps for 7 months now which are slowly healing but everytime I go for a longer run (say do an extra 3km) the next few days they are noticabley worse but then seem to get better? do they have to get worse before they get better? cheers
 
Holy hell, this thread is dying somewhat, compared to last year

That can be good news. Has anyone else fully recovered? I know there was Dawglaw and one more whose handle escapes me.

I just checked in to say that my dissociative episodes (not chronic!) are now down to an hour here or there. Perhaps once every two weeks. I actually successfully fought one off the other day. If you experience DPDR (which I imagine you do if you're in this thread) please seek help. Most people don't understand. KEEP TRYING. It took me months to find a therapist who knew anything about this (he actually specializes with patients in rehab). There's also endless list of meds out there if you can find a doctor willing to help you experiment. There's books on the subject. Reddit.com/r/DPDR want to help as well. My heart bleeds for you people. Nothing I've ever experienced in my life (even through my LTC) was as awful as living with chronic DPDR
 
I'm still really really suffering here man ! I'm planning on getting an eeg done next week has anybody had this before from what I've heard its diffrent from scans etc ?
 
Hey Guys, nice to see some posts on this thread, I was starting to think that only I was still pretty bad.

Heres my analogy

For me it all started with a panic attack two days after taking seven MDMA pills. After that I had two weeks of depersonalization / derealization, deep sadness and anxiety, but at the time I opted for not researching anything about it and kept going with my life, almost normally.

Months later the insomnia started, waking up several times every night. After that i started having blured vision, grain vision, extreme insomnia, erectile dysfunction, anxiety disorder, constant palpitations and tachycardia, deep depression, paranoia, depersonalization and disrealization aaaaand BRAIN FOG.

BRAIN FOG is the worst thing. Before I didn't know how to describe it until I found the name and that's exactly what i feel. I feel spaced out, out of the world, I can't think cleary, combine this with blurred vision and you have feelings of being stoned 24/7.


I smoked cannabis a few days ago and felt exactly as a leverage of my brain fog.


I realized then that most of this symptons wasn't even present before I start having insomnia. Insomnia took me to the extreme anxiety, and anxiety generated more symptoms. I'm taking alprazolam 1mg every night with ashwagandha and it seems to improve it, but even when i sleep 8/9 hours a night still have brain fog.

Erectile Dysfunction was almost 95% psychological, due to the anxiety, stress and depersonalization/desrealization and i was able to solve it, but my libido is not like it used to be.

At the moment I'm really suffering badly from brain fog, also a tightness on my chest when I wake up, which i think is depression, fatigue, usually later in the day and blurred vision.

THERE IS ALSO A SPECIFIC symptom, I wonder if anyone here has it too. All the time I have songs stuck in my head its usually one line from the song and it keeps repeating over and over and over till it switches to another song, this goes on all the time. Just random songs or fragments of songs. It's not like I really hear it, but the song is in my head. This happens 24/7, even when i wake up during the night, except when I am actually listening to a song, when I'm talking or doing something. As soon as I stop the song comes back. I believe this is a type of obsessive compulsive disorder.

I'm actually thinking of starting with the SSRI, my neurologist prescribed me Lexapro and my psychiatrist Zoloft, what do you guys think? any experience on this?


a good tip for all: start writing about your symptoms and emotions, it activates the hippocampus, and decreases the action of the amygdala, it will help a lot with anxiety symptoms.
 
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should I go to the doctors about my brain zaps ? been happening for 7 months, slowly getting better but every couple weeks they seem to flare up again and get worse .... obviously from what I read they probably won't be permanent but I feel I should go doctors just to be safe... but on the other hand what will they say? has anyone been to the docs before as a result of their drug abuse? it is worth risking my relationship with my doctor with this particular self inflicted problem and have drug abuse 'on my record'? would they even be able
to do anything? I'm fully aware drug abuse is frowned upon my the majority of society let alone an actual doctor... supposed to be going on Thursday so just trying to weigh up if it's worth me actually going or not. thanks !
 
Exercise can be scary as hell for people that are just going into it with this LTC. From personnal experience I wouldn't be able to run because of extreme chest pains. Once I was convinced that it was maybe muscles or anxiety and just kept running, they went away pretty fast.

Also, on another topic, who would be interessed into making a skype group. I just add all the interessed members, and they can log-in onto their skype and look at previous discussion and etc. You can make a new skype and use a vpn if you want to remain 100% anonymous, that would work. I'm just trying to keep in touch with the people here.

Anyways, stay strong peeps
 
I have some advice I can give you, who helped me a lot.

My vision of a LTC: We all have/had emotional problems, we faced heavy stuff in life, and took refuge in drugs.
I believe that excess of MDMA and other drugs has actually caused chemical changes and possible damage in our brain, and that we all possess intrapersonal and emotional intelligence enough to realize that something was wrong, unlike many users who may have gone through the same things without realizing it.

The fact of realizing that your perception of reality has changed is hopeless, it could lead the most intelligent and resilient person to the feeling of total loss of control. This feeling, united to the factors and emotional predispositions generates anxiety. You start to check your vision all the time, because something is wrong, and that's terrifying, you have panic attacks. You start to check your pulse all the time, start to check on your breathing, your body balance, your memory, concentration and you're terrified .. In short, you begin to develop a generalized anxiety disorder, attached to a self-centeredness where nothing else matters if not your own health, because something is wrong.
You start searching everywhere for answers, scheduling all kinds of doctors, purchasing all possible supplements, you consider traveling to South American and try Ayahuasca to feel more connected. Your family don't understand what is going on, doctors say you have nothing, everything is good, they don't wanna listen you or help you. You feel hopeless and go insane. That's the worst thing you can do, but who said we knew this in the beginning? We had despaired, we all took our brain to an extreme level of stress that literally may have caused brain damage, however, is a reversible damage.

By stressing so much, by being so concerned about your body and your mind, you focus on yourself and forget there ever was a life, you reset your amygdala to make any daily situation a dangerous situation, and therefore inhibits the action of your hippocampus that is responsible for storing the information that you do not need to worry about a few things.

With time your hippocampus begins to retract, because you continue using your amygdala all the time, and begin to feel you are losing control more and more. This leads to various symptoms that we may be feeling right now.
That's when you get into what we call depersonalization disorder. I think this could be the true LTC. Search about it, you will identify.

The difference is in time. Some of us noticed that something was wrong while under the effects of MDMA, some of us noticed the next day. Some noticed months later, like me, but all of us We entered in a state of despair that led us to this. So the first thing you MUST do now is to accept the condition that your body and mind are in the moment. You see, MANY, and I mean MANY of the symptoms you're feeling right now are much more to be symptoms of anxiety and depersonalization than actual damage caused by ecstasy. So the first thing is to calm down.

The next step is to work your self-centeredness. In my case, my ego was already huge even before I start using MDMA. I was extremely proud about everything, I would never expose my feelings, never let anything overwhelm me, always seemed to be fine about everything. It was always all about me. This ego led me to create a narcissistic personality, that over the course of my LTC leveraged so much that I just couldn't know how to deal with the world and people.

You're so concentrated and focused on yourself that forgets that you're absolutely nothing in the universe. Realizing that will make you feel that you don't need to be socially anxious when you go to a store because NO, people are NOT looking at you, maybe some guy look at you, but the world is not about YOU. You realize that your mother needs your help because she is also suffering from all this.You realize that your girlfriend needs a little attention, and guess what, you can give it. If you can still write in this forum, believe me, you can still have a normal life.

Therapy is essential, but therapy does not only mean going to a psychologist. Start understanding about yourself. Start writing about what you're going through. Write about your emotions actually active the hippocampus and inhibits the action of your amygdala, and you will feel a great pleasure because you're dying to dump all that you've been facing alone, you are dying to talk to someone who understands you, and by doing it you talk to the only person who can understand you, yourself.

Set up a structure of your ego, see what causes you more anxiety, why it causes, which situations make it happen, to what degree, how to avoid, but start acting different. Think more about others, go to a nursing home, talk to people, give love to your family, help a homeless person, and think positive. There are no counter-arguments against this, positive thinking will help you in any situation.

Start meditating, do yoga, eat well, exercise, search on what you feel and look for additional alternatives, but focus on letting your ego aside a bit. I guarantee that by doing it, anxiety and social anxiety will disappear in a few days.
After that, the symptoms will continue, but deal with them. Accept them, things will get better.
 
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I have some advice I can give you, who helped me a lot.

My vision of a LTC....

Beautiful post man.

Hey guys,
hope you are doing better out there.
Some of you will remember me.It's been 19months since my LTC started. Just wanted to spread some hope to you guys. Most of you are in a rly dark place right now, but trust me when I say it get's better. In my opinion this all comes to an end when you get yourself some rest. As Budal wrote: Accept your symptoms, things will get better. Realize not one of the symmptoms you experience will kill you and you won't go crazy. It's just an off-shot of a drug induced anxiety disorder, or however you wanna call it. You won't find no physical injuries in your brain, the key to your old self is time and some patience. Don't be too hard to yourself and try to get some distraction.(exercise, friends, what ever you want..)

My life runs pretty well atm. I have a new girlfriend, I do sports whenever I want, I'm doing my bachelors degree this year and I have a part time job. I am able to drink alcohol as much as I want(even if the hangover is a bit worse) and I smoked some weed on occasion(But its nothing for me anymore). Back one year I felt like a bag of shit and the only realistic solution I could imagine at that time was to comit suicide. Meanwhile this sounds so unreal to me.
I still have some bad days, in fact I will maybe come back if I have a little set back, just to get some positive input from you guys, but I'd say Im a normal human again and most of the time I can enjoy living my life.

Again:The most important thing is to not fear your Symptoms, cause your fear fuels them. Try to live with them and they will subside.

Ah, before I forget Paul Davids "At last a Life" is a pretty good lecture for short- and longtime sufferers in here. It's absolutely worth the money in my opinion.

Guys, I wish you all the best and I'm pretty optimistic, that everyone here will eventually recover.
 
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