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Here's some of the symptoms of low serotonin levels -

Physical Symptoms


Chronic, persistent fatigue – this happens even though the sufferer is fully rested and is inactive most of the time
Sleep Disorders – although quick to fall asleep, the sufferer has trouble sleeping soundly due to anxiety and even restless leg syndrome
Loss of appetite and craving for carbohydrate – the sufferer may lose interest even in eating but also crave carbohydrates as the body tries to restart serotonin production by causing spikes in insulin production. This may lead to weight gain
Decreased sex drive
Hot flushes and fluctuating body temperature – these are caused by the interplay of neurotransmitters trying to compensate for serotonin at serotonin receptors especially in the hypothalamus
Migraine and headaches – these are caused by metabolic disorders caused by low serotonin levels
Gastrointestinal pain – this is caused by the reduced gastrointestinal movement caused by low secretion of serotonin by enterochromaffin cells in the gut

Emotional Symptoms of Low Serotonin Levels

Emotional numbness and social withdrawal – sufferers lose interest in social engagements and experience dour moods
Depression – this is the classic sign of low serotonin levels and the reason drugs such as SSRIs that increase serotonin levels are used as antidepressants
Increased emotional sensitivity – this can present as low self-confidence, low self-esteem and low threshold to taking offence. This leads to sudden crying spells and bouts of sadness
Loss of interest in sexual activities and irritability
Obsessive-compulsive disorder

There is quite a few other symptoms of low serotonin levels too because of all the areas it helps to regulate. One of the main symptoms (such as increased sensitivity, which can transfer into physical as it did in my case) can lead to other symptoms such as having a lower pain threshold and higher sensitivity to outside stimuli. You don't have to have all of these symptoms to be suffering from low serotonin levels. The chemicals in our bodies are heavily responsible for how we feel and if they are out of whack then you are not going to feel the same until you get them balanced again.

Also, I believe what Dawglaw stated earlier is true. For example, think of somebody who was diagnosed with PTSD when they were younger and has just now suffered a traumatic event. That event could now trigger their previous PTSD and bring on a bout of new symptoms as well. It usually happens to them a month or two after the event happened, but it can happen sooner. A traumatic event could bring out all sorts of problems that you never experienced before. I know someone who got in a car wreck and all of a sudden he had severe social anxiety and was afraid to leave his house even though we wasn't injured at all. Having your brain and body release a massive amounts of chemicals, like serotonin, can be a pretty damn traumatic experience afterwards. It would be fair to say that it could be classified as a traumatic event for some people.

I get all these but I also get weakness in arms and legs, vision problems and struggle to get words out or to get the word I'm looking for just feel really stupid did you experience this ?
I'm trying to exercise aswell but it's just to hard cause the pain the next day ..my reaction time has also changed it takes me ages to react to everything
 
I don't know much about HPA as I am not a doctor and CBT mixed with time cured me.

Just because it is "in your head" does not mean there is some sort of chemical imbalance in your brain. Those of us who have made full recoveries did not just decide not to have a LTC anymore. Rather we fought it out as our brains slowly returned to normal.

Sometimes, meds can help balance neurotransmitters that refuse to fix themselves.
 
I don't know much about HPA as I am not a doctor and CBT mixed with time cured me.

Just because it is "in your head" does not mean there is some sort of chemical imbalance in your brain. Those of us who have made full recoveries did not just decide not to have a LTC anymore. Rather we fought it out as our brains slowly returned to normal.

Sometimes, meds can help balance neurotransmitters that refuse to fix themselves.
I don't feel right mentally like my surroundings feel funny but I'm not depressed or anxiety this is fucked up :( anybody know what this is man
 
Greetings bluelighters. Saddens me to read some of the situations here and wish all those suffering a fast recovery.

Just to give you hope I abused MDMA, weed and amphetamine in the early 90's. High strength double doves, snowballs etc. every week with grams of speed to keep the night going and LSD on the comedown, in some cases raving for days in the fields of the UK.

We were discovering a brave new world, no one could stop us and we didn't think of the future we were the future. It got to a point after 3 years where every experience was followed by intense anxiety, depression mood swings and paranoia. It was constant. I couldn't go into public without the feeling I was being talked about and watched. I continued to abuse because the symptoms decreased when high. Yep very silly.

I started to lose friends I lost my fiance. I took the decision to take action and give up everything except alcohol. It took time I continued to get lots of symptoms listed in this thread but it did decrease and then one day I suddenly had a revelation that the world is purely a creation of what our brain perceives it to be. It's our life no one else makes the decisions for us we can live it or worry about it, we are the sole author of our existence. The brain will show you what you tell it to. Worrying is waste of time.

It takes time to truly adjust the thought process, but that simple thought helped a hell of a lot for me to come to terms with my condition and then it was no longer a condition. id broken my cycle. It took about 2 years to reach that point. I started smoking weed again in moderation, I found that skunk high in THC was not very therapeutic and searched out hash (I guess CBD / THC) and I find even now I have to be cautious with high grade weed to hard and I get reflections (certainly not as severe just tastes which I can easily quantify but still not enjoyable to remember).

I found that being engaged in something you care about and really working at it also helped. When your working and exercising your not worrying. In those next 20 years well I threw myself into work and career. I was successful in business I believe partly through keeping true to the lessons MD first taught me - respect for others and try to see a situation from another's view.

I recognise the value of substances for what they are and what they can offer. Most people will say I'm mad however I needed in my own mind to lay my demons finally to rest. With the support of a very knowledgeable and good friend (certified shaman) I started taking MD again therapeutically to re explore and understand what had happened. Boom it was like the first time. Now I continue to use but without any combination use, sensibly and with long gaps. Really it's a special occasion or when I need to explore an emotion work out a problem in my life. I go out I enjoy my evening and I wake up with a beautiful afterglow and contentment. My family life and my love of my wife is stronger than ever.

For anyone reading and about to embark on your MD journey it's a far more enjoyable to remember an experience or night, the people you met, the music and the empathy than to spend 3 years with vague memories. My best memories were of those first occasions before I started pushing the boundaries to see how high I could go. Magic you don't lose it you generally destroy it by thinking higher yield brings higher returns -It doesn't just messy returns.

I firmly believe that MD does reset the brain, in a bad way? no unless you abuse or are unable to go with it. It has the beauty to show you lost feelings we once had of empathy and unison.

Follow the guidelines heroic doses gain nothing, if you want to lose yourself and reality completely MD ain't the substance to do it on. It always punishes those who disrepect it and of course make sure what you are actually taking is MD compound.
 
Ryan--have you considered going outside the NHS system to get treatment?

Colin-- nobody can say how long it can take for 100% but generally once you start working towards recovery on the right track there are improvments weekly/biweekly.
 
Ryan--have you considered going outside the NHS system to get treatment?

Colin-- nobody can say how long it can take for 100% but generally once you start working towards recovery on the right track there are improvments weekly/biweekly.
Seen one neurologist he couldn't really tell what was up with me I don't know what to do I regret everything
 
Seen one neurologist he couldn't really tell what was up with me I don't know what to do I regret everything

What did he tell you then about recovering?

And I guess I mean to say have you tried seeing a doctor that practices a more integrative form of medicine? One example is an anti-aging clinic. These aren't mainstream but they are still MDs and are more holistic in what they do.
 
What did he tell you then about recovering?

And I guess I mean to say have you tried seeing a doctor that practices a more integrative form of medicine? One example is an anti-aging clinic. These aren't mainstream but they are still MDs and are more holistic in what they do.
I've never heard about an anti ageing specialist here? basically he sayed it will take time for brain to rewire but no one knows how severe this is
 
I had a new symptomm today, this slight numbness in the middle of my head that made me squint blink a lot..... I have completley fucked myself up
 
Maybe its because I've been getting max 6 hours sleep a night and been working 6 hour days recently. I don't know..... Was asked o go out tonight with friends but I'm such a fucking mess that I can't
 
Hey ppl of BL. While some parts of the LTC are better, im still stuck with chronic derealization, ringing in my ears and brainfog 24/7 the light sensitivity and visual annoyances are better tho. Most days are bad some days are less bad. I've recently passed 10 months of this hell. Its been about 1 month since i had a panic attack. From having them every day to a few times a week to this id say thats good. I still have chronic depression/situational anxiety from this hell. I cant explain in words how much the derealization and brainfog sucks. Its like my brain is somewhere else all the time booth visually and mentally. My sense of time is still bad and even tho i havent met some people in ages i have no internal feeling about it timewise hence no urge to see them either. And if i do meet someone i kind of dont feel theree anyways so whats the point? I do drink matcha greentea every morning that helps a little, also has a lot of L-theanine. Dont know what to say really. In one hand im a shell of my former self and have nothing to look forward to. In another i have some small hope that this will end one day. I wish so bad i could get rid of the derealization somehow. That fucks up the most. Fatigue is better and im more energetic, guess thats something. And i can drive my car again even tho im mentally off.

The guilt that i destroyed my life from my first time MDMA being drunk and taking arround 400mg is something i can never forgive myself for. Add to the fact that ive talked to 30+ doctors and even researchers and still ended up with nothing.
More than a link to ebay to buy a book called "overcoming depersonalization disorder".
Psychiatrists knowledge of this, if any is just based one some readings while they have no idea how it actually is. All they did for me was to try to push some random pills stating im just depressed. Who wouldnt be if you had this uncurable shit?
So here i am after this time. Still alone, still noone arround me who understands and all i got is my guilt and my symptoms. In philosofical terms even tho i dont believe in it i hope theres an afterlife so i can go to something good after this hell.

If anyone has any suggestion/information in getting rid of derealization im all ears. If you have any questions ill gladly answer em.

//Inza
 
Hi guys,

it's been quite a while since i last posted on here, I've been trying to get on with my life without the need to check/post obsessively. This thread was my lifeline in the early days of my "LTC" and although i've moved on from those days I still like to check back at times when i'm feeling a bit rough. I also want to help out those who are in the earlier, more confusing and tumultuous stages of this shit. I won't go too deep into my history leading up to being struck down with my "LTC", but it has been around 18 months, which may sound like a long time but then i am living life to the full and although it is present i continue to improve all the time. I have had CBT, which has been a real blessing. My progress reminds me of one of those role playing games like final fantasy, where at first the my recovery was rapid but as things progress the improvements are less noticeable and slower, but there are a greater number of symptoms that i have recovered from than the symptoms that remain and persist. I actually have forgotten about some of the symptoms, like how it felt to have them and how they affected me. Most of my symptoms are/were linked to depersonalisation/derealisation and here is a list of those that have come and gone and those that are still present:

Symptoms that have gone:
unable to handle wide and open spaces: I just couldn't handle such spaces and my eyes would shut down- literally one time in a public square it was like someone was turning down a dimmer switch on my eyes- it was so freaky. I haven't experience this for over a year now. I also couldn't handle busy areas, such as train station concourses during rush hour. I almost had a full on panic attack in one of the main train stations in London last year, but just the other day i walked through the same station during rush hour and it was a piece of cake.

surges of energy: I would have this sensation of a tsunami passing through my head in a split second, a surge of energy that would create the sensation of my head being thrown forward. It was one of the most annoying symptoms but disappeared sometime in autumn last year

Numb and emotionless: This was one of the worst symptoms that made me feel listless and borderline suicidal. I couldn't enjoy any activities or be myself around friends or family, who felt like complete strangers. Thankfully this was one of the first symptoms to disappear around May last year and i am able to enjoy and apply myself to any situation. I think this symptom disappeared when i started seeing this as a mental issue or being imbalanced, rather than brain damage.

Chronic lack of sleep: I couldn't sleep for more than one hour in the first 3 or so months, which made every other symptom so much worse. I cannot stress how important sleep is for recovering and for overall general wellbeing. I now sleep without waking up in the night, but i do have bouts of insomnia sometimes for a week or so every few months, which is something i've always had in life.

Unable to read or focus: For the first 4-5 months i couldn't read books or websites properly, the words just looked like marks on a page. My eyes couldn't follow sentence structures properly and when i scrolled down web pages my eyes couldn't keep up with the images/text. The not keeping up was something that happened on trains or in cars as the scenery flew by. Supermarkets were horrible, just too much information, bright lights and aisles. I can now handle them fine. I am now able to read normally and focus on what i'm doing.

lightheadedness: My head often felt like a balloon attached to my body and felt as if it would fly away. I also felt like a floating head, like my legs felt weak or i couldn't feel them at all. This sensation no longer affects me.

Feeling of unreality: I would feel so detached that when in conversation with someone i would have these existential thoughts that what was happening was not actually real and I would have to really focus to keep talking as I felt as if i could just trail off because it wasn't real and wouldn't matter, if that makes sense. My vision often felt like it wasn't mine, like i was sitting behind my eyes inside some husk of a body that i had no control over, just watching it live out its life.


Vision: My vision was so incredibly blurry it was horrible, I couldn't focus on anything and i was getting so much energy from everything that i would freak out. I couldn't go outside without sunglasses for at least 5 months. Days of extreme sunshine or cloud were the worst- the strain on my eyes was immense. Now i'm fine heading out with sunglasses although i always keep a pair with me just in case. This is still a problem sometimes but nowhere near like it used to

scalp tingling: I would often wake up in the night with my scalp tingling all over. Haven't experienced this for ages.

muscle weakness: In the early days i just felt so utterly weak, like i was twice my age. I have my days where i feel rough, but i guess that's life really. I'm much better now. Going to the gym regularly helps.

sensitivity to light: Now this one can flare up sometimes, but a year ago i was sensitive to almost every kind of artificial light and it was so intrusive to everyday life. I spend half a year with ceiling lights off and lampshades on. I barely notice it now.

obsessing over symptoms- it became almost like an ocd to perform an action without dp symptoms. If i did, i would do it again to try and get it without symptoms, which of course didn't work. I would become stuck in a cycle. Now if i experience a symptom i just go on with what i'm doing until it goes away. I have CBT to thank for that.


Symptoms that persist:
depersonalisation- detached feeling: Although many of the dp symptoms have gone away, the detached feeling persists- where i just feel a bit zonked, although it has improved 50x and i can control it in most circumstances. i am able to handle so many more situations- i was unable to socialise at the beginning, but i am mostly fine now. I'd say it is almost gone, but not quite there yet. 75% recovered.

head pressure- It must be said that this has improved so much as well, from feeling like my head was in a vice a year ago, with various tingling, pressure points, burning sensations and numbness, it has now settled down to pressure points that can mostly be ignored. 70% recovered.

fatigue- This is quite a big one, i often don't feel refreshed even after a good night's sleep and the other symptoms really take it out of me. Much better than it was though.

General feeling of discomfort- sometimes i just feel really off and i can't pinpoint it to a single other symptom. Like anxiety i guess.

visual symptoms- I still experience floaters, but they don't bother me at all- i am used to them. I experience double vision with traffic lights, little lights on computers/tvs and lights also stretch when i move my head. Not really debilitating but annoying.


I would say i am about 50-60% recovered and i reckon i'll need another 18 months to get to a point where depersonalisation is just a distant bad memory, but i certainly won't be setting myself goals or anything. I'm just gonna stay in the moment. The fact that so many symptoms have gone and that i sometimes forget what i had tells me that i will get better. I have gone from being completely unable to function to getting back to a normal life and procuring a decent job and more.

At present i have this cycle where i am ok- as in with symptoms but getting on with life and then the symptoms diminish to a point where i feel really, really good and normal for a couple of weeks and then it sort of plateaus and then i have a week or two where they feel a lot worse, like a sort of setback and then i go back to feeling average. So it really fluctuates.

Anyway, i've kind of rambled on, but any questions or anything feel free to fire away!
 
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Hi guys,

it's been quite a while since i last posted on here, I've been trying to get on with my life without the need to check/post obsessively. This thread was my lifeline in the early days of my "LTC" and although i've moved on from those days I still like to check back at times when i'm feeling a bit rough. I also want to help out those who are in the earlier, more confusing and tumultuous stages of this shit. I won't go too deep into my history leading up to being struck down with my "LTC", but it has been around 18 months, which may sound like a long time but then i am living life to the full and although it is present i continue to improve all the time. I have had CBT, which has been a real blessing. My progress reminds me of one of those role playing games like final fantasy, where at first the my recovery was rapid but as things progress the improvements are less noticeable and slower, but there are a greater number of symptoms that i have recovered from than the symptoms that remain and persist. I actually have forgotten about some of the symptoms, like how it felt to have them and how they affected me. Most of my symptoms are/were linked to depersonalisation/derealisation and here is a list of those that have come and gone and those that are still present:

Symptoms that have gone:
unable to handle wide and open spaces: I just couldn't handle such spaces and my eyes would shut down- literally one time in a public square it was like someone was turning down a dimmer switch on my eyes- it was so freaky. I haven't experience this for over a year now. I also couldn't handle busy areas, such as train station concourses during rush hour. I almost had a full on panic attack in one of the main train stations in London last year, but just the other day i walked through the same station during rush hour and it was a piece of cake.

surges of energy: I would have this sensation of a tsunami passing through my head in a split second, a surge of energy that would create the sensation of my head being thrown forward. It was one of the most annoying symptoms but disappeared sometime in autumn last year

Numb and emotionless: This was one of the worst symptoms that made me feel listless and borderline suicidal. I couldn't enjoy any activities or be myself around friends or family, who felt like complete strangers. Thankfully this was one of the first symptoms to disappear around May last year and i am able to enjoy and apply myself to any situation. I think this symptom disappeared when i started seeing this as a mental issue or being imbalanced, rather than brain damage.

Chronic lack of sleep: I couldn't sleep for more than one hour in the first 3 or so months, which made every other symptom so much worse. I cannot stress how important sleep is for recovering and for overall general wellbeing. I now sleep without waking up in the night, but i do have bouts of insomnia sometimes for a week or so every few months, which is something i've always had in life.

Unable to read or focus: For the first 4-5 months i couldn't read books or websites properly, the words just looked like marks on a page. My eyes couldn't follow sentence structures properly and when i scrolled down web pages my eyes couldn't keep up with the images/text. The not keeping up was something that happened on trains or in cars as the scenery flew by. Supermarkets were horrible, just too much information, bright lights and aisles. I can now handle them fine. I am now able to read normally and focus on what i'm doing.

lightheadedness: My head often felt like a balloon attached to my body and felt as if it would fly away. I also felt like a floating head, like my legs felt weak or i couldn't feel them at all. This sensation no longer affects me.

Feeling of unreality: I would feel so detached that when in conversation with someone i would have these existential thoughts that what was happening was not actually real and I would have to really focus to keep talking as I felt as if i could just trail off because it wasn't real and wouldn't matter, if that makes sense. My vision often felt like it wasn't mine, like i was sitting behind my eyes inside some husk of a body that i had no control over, just watching it live out its life.


Vision: My vision was so incredibly blurry it was horrible, I couldn't focus on anything and i was getting so much energy from everything that i would freak out. I couldn't go outside without sunglasses for at least 5 months. Days of extreme sunshine or cloud were the worst- the strain on my eyes was immense. Now i'm fine heading out with sunglasses although i always keep a pair with me just in case. This is still a problem sometimes but nowhere near like it used to

scalp tingling: I would often wake up in the night with my scalp tingling all over. Haven't experienced this for ages.

muscle weakness: In the early days i just felt so utterly weak, like i was twice my age. I have my days where i feel rough, but i guess that's life really. I'm much better now. Going to the gym regularly helps.

sensitivity to light: Now this one can flare up sometimes, but a year ago i was sensitive to almost every kind of artificial light and it was so intrusive to everyday life. I spend half a year with ceiling lights off and lampshades on. I barely notice it now.

obsessing over symptoms- it became almost like an ocd to perform an action without dp symptoms. If i did, i would do it again to try and get it without symptoms, which of course didn't work. I would become stuck in a cycle. Now if i experience a symptom i just go on with what i'm doing until it goes away. I have CBT to thank for that.


Symptoms that persist:
depersonalisation- detached feeling: Although many of the dp symptoms have gone away, the detached feeling persists- where i just feel a bit zonked, although it has improved 50x and i can control it in most circumstances. i am able to handle so many more situations- i was unable to socialise at the beginning, but i am mostly fine now. I'd say it is almost gone, but not quite there yet. 75% recovered.

head pressure- It must be said that this has improved so much as well, from feeling like my head was in a vice a year ago, with various tingling, pressure points, burning sensations and numbness, it has now settled down to pressure points that can mostly be ignored. 70% recovered.

fatigue- This is quite a big one, i often don't feel refreshed even after a good night's sleep and the other symptoms really take it out of me. Much better than it was though.

General feeling of discomfort- sometimes i just feel really off and i can't pinpoint it to a single other symptom. Like anxiety i guess.

visual symptoms- I still experience floaters, but they don't bother me at all- i am used to them. I experience double vision with traffic lights, little lights on computers/tvs and lights also stretch when i move my head. Not really debilitating but annoying.


I would say i am about 50-60% recovered and i reckon i'll need another 18 months to get to a point where depersonalisation is just a distant bad memory, but i certainly won't be setting myself goals or anything. I'm just gonna stay in the moment. The fact that so many symptoms have gone and that i sometimes forget what i had tells me that i will get better. I have gone from being completely unable to function to getting back to a normal life and procuring a decent job and more.

At present i have this cycle where i am ok- as in with symptoms but getting on with life and then the symptoms diminish to a point where i feel really, really good and normal for a couple of weeks and then it sort of plateaus and then i have a week or two where they feel a lot worse, like a sort of setback and then i go back to feeling average. So it really fluctuates.

Anyway, i've kind of rambled on, but any questions or anything feel free to fire away!
Sorry to hear you've been going through this for 18 months. Man that must be rough..... Anyway, I've got a question for you. How long did it take for your emotions/thoughts/sex drive to go back to normal. These are by far my 3 biggest symptoms, and if I could get those in check I feel I would be 100% recovered. Thanks man
 
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