MDMA 'powder' - Crystaline versus dry powder - quality/strength

[cyberius]

How so?

Your statement is illogical, a crystal is judged by its optical clarity.

The uniformed clear recrystallized salts is the outcome of the purification.

How can you even imply that the clear unadulterated salt that has been expertly produced is the same as a product with obvious impunity's.
You can't just put two compounds together and expect a perfect crystal to come out the other end, co-recrystallization just doesn't work that way..

If say MDMA~HCl and a cut like an Alkylbenzylamine such as N-isopropylbenzylamine are put together to recrystallize they form as individuals not as a combined crystal.
Only the two MDMA isomers can co-crystallize on account of there ability to repeat and build a crystal lattice structure so the only thing you can cut MDMA crystals with is MDMA.

What I meant, is that if you find a crystal on the street while buying MDMA, that doesn't imply any purity standards. People often believe that if they buy molly and it's crystal, it's pure; said crystal could easily be methylone or some other substance.

I'm not arguing that crystals can be impure.

 

[Folley]

^ The correct term for a drug being sold as something it is not is adulterated, impure refers to synthesis byproducts in the leftover product.

at least, that's how I understand it. Helps avoid confusion.

 

[DaLambsbread]

the last few times times that I have had it was white powder looking stuff. Tested great, it turned black right away and was a great experience. i have tested crystal 2 times and both times it was methylone. dont judge it by looks, use the test kit and if its legit, do the human reagent test after =)

 

[Docta]

^ The correct term for a drug being sold as something it is not is adulterated, impure refers to synthesis byproducts in the leftover product.

Well I am a compete dick, I'm sorry it was my first day and I totally misunderstood the cyberius meaning.

I had only viewed the comment from the angle of reaction product and workup v post-reaction adulterant.

 

[Folley]

Better to call someone out and have it turn out that you're both right rather than never calling them out at all and risking you both being wrong

 

[cyberius]

the last few times times that I have had it was white powder looking stuff. Tested great, it turned black right away and was a great experience. i have tested crystal 2 times and both times it was methylone. dont judge it by looks, use the test kit and if its legit, do the human reagent test after =)

Methylone is especially prevalent as crystals these days, and people always think it's MDMA. According to all of my friends, powders are always adulterated and shouldn't be bought while Crystals are always unadulterated and pure MDMA. 8)

But really the majority of any kind of "MDMA" out there is adulterated or a different chemical.

 

[Docta]

Methylone is especially prevalent as crystals these days, and people always think it's MDMA.

I have to agree with you there,

I've lost count of the amount of times I've done a Marquis Reagent (EZ) test that had an immediate positive of Methylone (bk-MDMA) and half the time I can tell by the look on the dealers face that they had no idea it wasn't MDMA.

My advice is simple before you go to get the drug get your hands on a test kit containing Marquis and Simon's reagent.

 

[scureto1]

There's no way that you could know either of those things.
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My first statement, yes, I do know for a certainty. The second, you are right, was speculation. But it was speculation based on a lot of hands-on experience with synthesis, recrystallization, and purification of crystalline compounds.

What makes you say that I couldn't know either of those things?

 

[Docta]

My first statement, yes, I do know for a certainty.

I've always been under the assumption that the isomers had a conformation without steric problems. This is something I've taken as fact because its been repeated to me over and over for years. I have had some questions previously as to if its even possible any racemates to repeat but I've always had others swear on a stack of bibles that they've done it.

You seem quite adamant with your statement so I did some searching and found no evidence.

Is this recrystallization of R(-) and S(+) isomers of MDMA an internet myth?

 

[scureto1]

I've always been under the assumption that the isomers had a conformation without steric problems. This is something I've taken as fact because its been repeated to me over and over for years. I have had some questions previously as to if its even possible any racemates to repeat but I've always had others swear on a stack of bibles that they've done it.

You seem quite adamant with your statement so I did some searching and found no evidence.

Is this recrystallization of R(-) and S(+) isomers of MDMA an internet myth?

I'm not sure on whether they can form a continuous crystal but I lean towards no. I've done very slow recrystallizations of the racemic mixture and although crystals form, their size seems to be limited and I would wager a guess that it is because of the other isomer breaking up the repeating pattern.

The mixture does still produce nice-looking crystals though. The largest I've seen was probably in the ballpark of the size of a grain of rice. But the shape and orientation of the faces was totally different from the crystals in the left picture, though. Across multiple recrystallizations of different samples of MDMA, I saw a consistent crystal shape that differed greatly from the one in the picture. That's why I so adamantly said that that wasn't racemic MDMA.