MDMA - Post Comedown "I slipped"

[Maya]

How long were you using MDMA? I've been doing almost everyday since Christmas and to be honest, I haven't seen any adverse affects. I've been reading posts here and there, and I'm starting to get worried myself. If you originally posted it, I didn't see it. Sorry.

I started using ecstasy 2008 for two months every weekend and stopped there.. Mostly 3 pills max every weekend night (FRI and SAT). I started using again last year Sept max 3 or 4 every session i usually wait for at least 3 weeks before I roll again but last Dec 1 I took too many lol 6 pills on one night.. The bad thing too is we didnt test 'em hence the come down my friend

 

[futura2012]

How long were you using MDMA? I've been doing almost everyday since Christmas and to be honest, I haven't seen any adverse affects. I've been reading posts here and there, and I'm starting to get worried myself.

I would certainly slow down a bit if you can. Taking it everyday is totally crazy. Really everyday? I cant see it would work after a while.

 

[Dawglaw]

Btw.. does anyone in the forum know much about 5HTP? I heard it's an awesome supplement to recover serotonin...

I tried it all with zero success. Don't mess with your brain anymore. If there was a magic pill to fast forward the process, people would know about it and long term comedowns wouldn't be an issue. IMO supplements create an initial placebo effect then wear off. Many supplements have unknown long term effects. Just play it cool.

The best thing you can do is ensure that your body and mind are healthy and just move forward. Spending time online looking for magic pills to make everything go back to status quo only perpetuates the mental aspect of the long term comedown. By searching for a cure, you are reinforcing the idea in your mind that something is broken up there which in turn leads to more anxiety which leads to more physical symptoms of the comedown. It's a vicious cycle.

I can say with relative confidence that my experience was not due to physical damage to my brain. Rather, the drugs triggered an extreme yet temporary period of stress/anxiety which created very physical symptoms that I linked to "brain damage" which lead to even more stress and fretting. In all reality, most of the medical studies (and conversations with MDMA knowledgeable medical professionals) I have encountered re MDMA damage in the form of a long term comedown show no real damage to the brain, rather the very real experience we feel is somatic.

Drugs did not fix me. CBT, keeping busy, and time fixed me. Looking back, CBT was not even necessary, but the mindfulness tricks I learned were extremely comforting in the initial stages.

You pissed your brain off experimenting with substances, why would you experiment with more to try to fix it?

 

[laugh]

i thought you were recovering from a random powder and not in actual fact mdma.

if i broke my leg i wouldnt go to the doctor and ask to have my arm treated.

have you perhaps thought about seeing a psychologist?

trust you will be feeling better soon.

 

[Dawglaw]

if i broke my leg i wouldnt go to the doctor and ask to have my arm treated.

have you perhaps thought about seeing a psychologist?

+100. When I finally treated my comedown as drug induced anxiety (with a psychologist), I started to notice some real changes for the better which eventually lead to me recovering.

 

[Maya]

i thought you were recovering from a random powder and not in actual fact mdma.

if i broke my leg i wouldnt go to the doctor and ask to have my arm treated.

have you perhaps thought about seeing a psychologist?

trust you will be feeling better soon.

Honestly laugh I am still baffled as to what was that shit we ingested.. But the thing is my ex got hit right away with it.. But me and his friend took some time before we got the hit... I was the only one who had this bad comedown... I am seeing a neuro next month and then go from there.. I feel better now after the weekend drinkin..

 

[rave_itsrealfun!!!]

How long were you using MDMA? I've been doing almost everyday since Christmas and to be honest, I haven't seen any adverse affects. I've been reading posts here and there, and I'm starting to get worried myself. If you originally posted it, I didn't see it. Sorry.

That is a serious problem. Honestly, get your fucking shit together. Your brain is getting burned. You could ruin your life. It may already be too late. You probably won't notice anything until you stop - just wait until it's 6 months to a year down the road since your last roll, and see how emotionally stable you are. Sorry to be frank, but this kind of drug use is disgusting. I was pretty much doing the same shit, and I really regret it now that it is years over and done with, NEVER again, sorry but I am just trying to smarten you up. That is fucking NUTS man.

 

[Maya]

That is a serious problem. Honestly, get your fucking shit together. Your brain is getting burned. You could ruin your life. It may already be too late. You probably won't notice anything until you stop - just wait until it's 6 months to a year down the road since your last roll, and see how emotionally stable you are. Sorry to be frank, but this kind of drug use is disgusting. I was pretty much doing the same shit, and I really regret it now that it is years over and done with, NEVER again, sorry but I am just trying to smarten you up. That is fucking NUTS man.

He's right!!! You don't wanna suffer the same fate as I have, you may have a different tolerance than me but if you are gonna keep abusing it it's gonna catch up to you at some point

 

[F1n1shed]

How long were you using MDMA? I've been doing almost everyday since Christmas and to be honest, I haven't seen any adverse affects. I've been reading posts here and there, and I'm starting to get worried myself. If you originally posted it, I didn't see it. Sorry.

Guys can someone please explain this absurdity to me. How is it that certain people like him, can roll 'everyday' or every week an say they notice nothing negative. Yet a lot of us roll every month or so and still get fucked up. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. It drives me nutts, it's unfair I mean based off thorough research everyone should notice negative affects ,but a lot of people say they just get after glows and feel good.... wtf!

I also have this friend i talk to online (not part of this forum) who is rolling every week on 5-6 HIGH dosed mdma pills. And i always ask him about side effects, depression, anxiety and so on. He always seems jolly and says he feels good after he has rolled and doesn't feel depressed at all. Do these people have a mutated serotonin system where they cannot feel bad? Or are they just lying to them selves saying they feel nothing bad, so they can feel better about their MDMA abuse. If i had to guess i'd say it's the second one , but you never know.

 

[Maya]

Guys can someone please explain this absurdity to me. How is it that certain people like him, can roll 'everyday' or every week an say they notice nothing negative. Yet a lot of us roll every month or so and still get fucked up. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. It drives me nutts, it's unfair I mean based off thorough research everyone should notice negative affects ,but a lot of people say they just get after glows and feel good.... wtf!

I also have this friend i talk to online (not part of this forum) who is rolling every week on 5-6 HIGH dosed mdma pills. And i always ask him about side effects, depression, anxiety and so on. He always seems jolly and says he feels good after he has rolled and doesn't feel depressed at all. Do these people have a mutated serotonin system where they cannot feel bad? Or are they just lying to them selves saying they feel nothing bad, so they can feel better about their MDMA abuse. If i had to guess i'd say it's the second one , but you never know.

I think some people are just born to roll lol.. I think one of the mods hasn't had a longterm comedown I think it's struttergear... I wish I was like that lolls

 

[Hapomen22]

Guys can someone please explain this absurdity to me. How is it that certain people like him, can roll 'everyday' or every week an say they notice nothing negative. Yet a lot of us roll every month or so and still get fucked up. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. It drives me nutts, it's unfair I mean based off thorough research everyone should notice negative affects ,but a lot of people say they just get after glows and feel good.... wtf!

I also have this friend i talk to online (not part of this forum) who is rolling every week on 5-6 HIGH dosed mdma pills. And i always ask him about side effects, depression, anxiety and so on. He always seems jolly and says he feels good after he has rolled and doesn't feel depressed at all. Do these people have a mutated serotonin system where they cannot feel bad? Or are they just lying to them selves saying they feel nothing bad, so they can feel better about their MDMA abuse. If i had to guess i'd say it's the second one , but you never know.

Well I'm still in a 2-3weeks abuse, been going on since 2.5 months, still no negative effects that stop me (I had a huge fever last month, sore throat etc.), it's all about taking care of your yourself, eating healthy and staying in a positive mindset. I don't feel depressed whatsoever, I'm still on an afterglow of last friday and seem to enjoy music even more. I fully camedown 2 days ago and I'm rolling again in 3 weeks.

Everyone reacts differently on drugs, same thing with recovery times. Some people can get away with long term abuse and roll each day (like that one guy on BL), some will feel super depressed after a couple of close spaced rolls. Just listen to your body and brain.

 

[F1n1shed]

Eh i dunno man, i don't think it is possible to feel really happy with a damaged serotonin system. You just feel numb.... i hate that feeling.

Although on the staying positive part, that's a hugee factor. If you are a real positive person you don't give a fuck about what's going on. When i was rolling, i was definitely a negative person making symptoms worse.

 

[laugh]

Honestly laugh I am still baffled as to what was that shit we ingested.. But the thing is my ex got hit right away with it.. But me and his friend took some time before we got the hit... I was the only one who had this bad comedown... I am seeing a neuro next month and then go from there.. I feel better now after the weekend drinkin..

I think you need some strategies on thinking and staying positive (don't we all). I trust the neurologist will be able to set your mind and worry at ease, then hopefully you will be able to move on.

Good luck.

 

[Maya]

I think you need some strategies on thinking and staying positive (don't we all). I trust the neurologist will be able to set your mind and worry at ease, then hopefully you will be able to move on.

Good luck.

Thanks laugh!!!

 

[xxxyakinikuxxx]

Guys can someone please explain this absurdity to me. How is it that certain people like him, can roll 'everyday' or every week an say they notice nothing negative. Yet a lot of us roll every month or so and still get fucked up. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. It drives me nutts, it's unfair I mean based off thorough research everyone should notice negative affects ,but a lot of people say they just get after glows and feel good.... wtf!

I also have this friend i talk to online (not part of this forum) who is rolling every week on 5-6 HIGH dosed mdma pills. And i always ask him about side effects, depression, anxiety and so on. He always seems jolly and says he feels good after he has rolled and doesn't feel depressed at all. Do these people have a mutated serotonin system where they cannot feel bad? Or are they just lying to them selves saying they feel nothing bad, so they can feel better about their MDMA abuse. If i had to guess i'd say it's the second one , but you never know.

Hey Finished. I've often wondered this same thing. In fact, I used other people's usage patterns as evidence that my comedown couldn't be as bad as it seemed. I took four pills over a weekend with a lot of alcohol involved (stupid in hindsight I know) but compared to other people I knew this seemed relatively mild. I know a guy who took 45 pills over a week (granted he had a seizure) and he still gobbles pills when he gets the chance. So what was wrong with me? I would ask myself.

The conclusion I came to is the difference must be in the physical robustness of one's neurons/circuitry. We take differences in appearance for granted but don't apply the same logic to our brains. A fat guy knows he's not gonna finish a marathon in under 4 hours. But because we can't see our brain we don't know what kind of punishment it can actually handle.

When I think back to the differences between me and the other people I partied with that weekend (who are all fine by the way), it's clear that I was more 'uptight', nervous, worried, and prone to ruminate in general than they were, drugs aside. Is this a problem in thought-patterns? Partially. But what are thought patterns other than the manifestation of your internal 'hardware'.

Now before I get into some kind of biological predetermination, I will say that the way we think truly does affect the way we feel. And this is something that through effort we can work on to develop a stronger neuronal system.
But my guess is that this partially explains the differing experiences of people post mdma. It's just a hypothesis so I could be wrong, but it could be a possibility. This is also why I find it funny when people ask someone who downed ten pills one night and is now having a bad comedown if they controlled for set/setting. As if a few more pillows and aromatic candles in the room would have prevented their comedown.

It would be really interesting one day to make a survey of personality types and see how these relate to a persons comedown. It could help people guess what kind of reaction they may have to the drug. Just a thought.

 

[xxxyakinikuxxx]

I'm no expert, so be skeptical of what I'm saying here.

But, I have to say, if someone is taking mdma everyday or every week, even if that person says he's feeling no negative comedown symptoms, I suspect there is still something seriously unbalanced in that person's life. Yeah, I know that mdma can be very enjoyable. But isn't there some kind of life/mental/emotional issue if someone is wanting - needing? - to use it that often?

I am not perfect. But, I know that for myself, using mdma only every few months is good enough - it is an occassional diversion. After all, I'm quite happy with life in general, I enjoy my family, job, community, myself, etc. - with all the problems that come with them - and can go out at times with friends and coworkers and have a good time without using any kind of drug. So, I don't really see a reason to use mdma - or any chemical - all that often.

This I also agree with. Which is why one of the best rules for drugs is to not touch 'em when going through periods of emotional instability/difficult times in your life. The cruel irony is that this is when most people are likely to abuse drugs for relief and not necessarily be aware they are making poor decisions. This is where help from friends becomes truly important. But as you said if you're constantly using alcohol/drugs to make your life enjoyable, there's probably a deeper underlying problem. At least for me this was true.

 

[Hapomen22]

I'm no expert, so be skeptical of what I'm saying here.

But, I have to say, if someone is taking mdma everyday or every week, even if that person says he's feeling no negative comedown symptoms, I suspect there is still something seriously unbalanced in that person's life. Yeah, I know that mdma can be very enjoyable. But isn't there some kind of life/mental/emotional issue if someone is wanting - needing? - to use it that often?

I am not perfect. But, I know that for myself, using mdma only every few months is good enough - it is an occassional diversion. After all, I'm quite happy with life in general, I enjoy my family, job, community, myself, etc. - with all the problems that come with them - and can go out at times with friends and coworkers and have a good time without using any kind of drug. So, I don't really see a reason to use mdma - or any chemical - all that often.

Some people have a more exciting life than others, who might live a more lonely/boring life or big stressful life issues or are just too deep into the party hard/rave scene. Also, some people have more self control than others, that's another important factor.

People do drugs and abuse them for all sorts of reason, not everyone has that HR thinking like we do. It's like asking why some people read books each day, there's many kind of reasons for that too that you could bring up... to relax, to free your mind, to educate yourself etc. For MDMA, there's all sorts of reason to do it weekly... like living a big party lifestyle, peer pressure, for fun and lack of HR knowledge.

 

[F1n1shed]

I acknowledge what everyone has said ,and agree with many points. But it still just doesn't add up, everyone has their own brain but many areas are similar. We all have the same parts that create our brain ( unless you were born unnaturally deformed ). The difference is our neurons are set up and wired in a different manner. But drugs pretty much affect most of us very similarly, a newbie taking ecstasy will usually start with 100mg and for the most part will feel as buzzed as the next person taking 100mg. Same with dosages on prescription drugs, a low dose of a new medication will affect everybody pretty much the same.

By it's chemical nature MDMA releases HUGE amounts of neuro transmitters. It just isn't is not possible to feel completely normal when rolling every day or week. You will just keep going lower and lower in neurotransmitters and your circuitry will go hay wire. So i have come to the conclusion that people saying they feel absolutely nothing bad from abusing a drug as powerful as MDMA are not good at picking up differences of before and after. They have gotten used to their new dumbed down emotional system . And others are just oblivious to it, they don't really care enough and just let it happen. I mean how can you wake up after a long night of partying on MDMA and say you feel absolutely no different than the day before, it's complete lunacy.(i see it all the time on pill reports)

The people who get hit hard with negatives are the people who are really intact with their emotional state, and pick up any differences even if they are subtle. They will also usually be anxious by nature, and a small change in their feelings and thinking will cause a huge concern. While others will just not give a fuck. I guess it is better to be the person who doesn't give a fuck, although that kind of personality will hit you badly in other parts of life.

 

[Maya]

My ex did a ton amount of drugs for 8 years and probly took hundreds of MDMA but for some reason he claims he never had a nasty comedown and even told me maybe I am just weak and have a psychological problem loll what a dick eh? He smokes a lot of weed though so maybe the weed is helping him not to feel the effects of the comedown? But when he doesn't have weed he feels like shit.. He literally smokes weed every single day from morning to night and without it he gets really violent.

 

[xxxyakinikuxxx]

^^ Sounds like your ex has the psychological problem.

Finished, I see your point and I agree that a lot of people must just be ignoring the damage/attributing it to other causes/failing to detect the changes. I know a guy who's memory is shot; but that's the thing about memory you don't notice when yours is shit.

Still the extent of damage/severity of symptoms must ultimately comedown to differences between brains/bodies. I know in my case the symptoms were un-ignorable, regardless of personality type. And while the subjective experience of drugs may be quite similar this does not mean all brains are created equal.

Everyone has two legs but not everyone is the same height. The subjective experience of climbing a mountain may be the same for most people, yet the physical toll on ones body will differ according to body size/endurance. This is the only way I see to explain why somebody gets totally fucked from mdxx and the other dude feels down for a day and is rolling the next weekend.

Some people like jannovi's ex will look at this as a weakness in a person, however, I see it as an important lesson to listen to your body when it's telling you something isn't for you.

I do believe at some point this shit will catch up with everybody in some way. Whether they notice is another story.