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MDMA plus spice? = wow!!!

simstim said:
I'm probably the only person i know who i consider to smoke spice responsibly. Many who use this drug are homeless bc it's so cheap and strong.
I use a bowl and limit myself to 1-3 hits. I find a $10 bag will get me high continually for 2-3 days. The shit for sale today is so much more potent than the shit for sale 10-11 years ago.

My neighbor upstairs smokes FAT spice BLUNTS (as do almost everyone who isn't me). He probably goes through $20/ day which is quite a bit!! Maybe an eighth of an ounce or so.
It's so much cheaper/ stronger than cannabis and widely available on the street corners and neighborhood parks of this city.
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An eighth of an ounce for 20 dollars? Here in New York we would get 5 gram bags for 10 dollars
 
Spice/K2 was super intense for me. I used to smoke it regularly back in 2015, it was very cheap where I'm from 4 or 5 gram bags for 19 dollars and big bamboo joints for a dollar of really strong stuff, I couldn't take more than 2 or 3 hits. I would get so high from it, like pretty much tripping. It used to scare the crap out of me though. I can't imagine mixing it with MDMA. I'm sure it was a heavy experience
 
TimTim1993 said:
Spice/K2 was super intense for me. I used to smoke it regularly back in 2015, it was very cheap where I'm from 4 or 5 gram bags for 19 dollars and big bamboo joints for a dollar of really strong stuff, I couldn't take more than 2 or 3 hits. I would get so high from it, like pretty much tripping. It used to scare the crap out of me though. I can't imagine mixing it with MDMA. I'm sure it was a heavy experience
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Sorry I meant 4 or 5 gram bags for 10 dollars
 
My only issue would be that Spice is a brand, not a specific drug and since their are hundreds of CB1 ligands due to every major drug company in the1970s thinking that their WOULD be a market (pain medication? I don't know). But in the UK as the selective CB1 ligands got banned, RC vendors began selling non-selective CB ligands.

In this town 'Spice' refers to any drug with CB ligand affinity and is sold in £5 bags to the homeless.

I'm presuming you are referring to the former rather than the latter. I found the latter simply awful. For people who don't seem to care how something alters consciousness just as long as it does, People will choose it over crack. Why? No idea.
 
AlsoTapered said:
My only issue would be that Spice is a brand, not a specific drug and since their are hundreds of CB1 ligands due to every major drug company in the1970s thinking that their WOULD be a market (pain medication? I don't know). But in the UK as the selective CB1 ligands got banned, RC vendors began selling non-selective CB ligands.

In this town 'Spice' refers to any drug with CB ligand affinity and is sold in £5 bags to the homeless.

I'm presuming you are referring to the former rather than the latter. I found the latter simply awful. For people who don't seem to care how something alters consciousness just as long as it does, People will choose it over crack. Why? No idea.
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Crack any day over Spice for me
 
But is it RC vendor -order over the darkweb 'spice' or the stuff that is, errr... unpredictable.

Last time I visited Manchester the parks and public spaces were seemingly full of to people zombified by 'spice'. Who knows if it's accurate but one report suggested 95% of the homeless in Manchester used it. I GET why raising £5 to be messed up for hours beats £10 for a rocks...

But they seem so different. As I said - people don't care HOW it alters their consciousness, just as long as it's strong and lasts a long time.
 
AlsoTapered said:
But is it RC vendor -order over the darkweb 'spice' or the stuff that is, errr... unpredictable.

Last time I visited Manchester the parks and public spaces were seemingly full of to people zombified by 'spice'. Who knows if it's accurate but one report suggested 95% of the homeless in Manchester used it. I GET why raising £5 to be messed up for hours beats £10 for a rocks...

But they seem so different. As I said - people don't care HOW it alters their consciousness, just as long as it's strong and lasts a long time.
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The homeless community in NY love smoking K2 as well, it's like 2 or 3 dollars for a joint of it, so I see why they do it
 
AlsoTapered said:
My only issue would be that Spice is a brand, not a specific drug and since their are hundreds of CB1 ligands due to every major drug company in the1970s thinking that their WOULD be a market (pain medication? I don't know). But in the UK as the selective CB1 ligands got banned, RC vendors began selling non-selective CB ligands.

In this town 'Spice' refers to any drug with CB ligand affinity and is sold in £5 bags to the homeless.

I'm presuming you are referring to the former rather than the latter. I found the latter simply awful. For people who don't seem to care how something alters consciousness just as long as it does, People will choose it over crack. Why? No idea.
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I used to pick it over crack, I never liked crack, but back in 2012 ( I’m assuming the former kind you were talking about), I used to smoke a half oz every 2-3 days, I would vomit and shit myself every night, I guess from k2 poisoning, then smoke more right afterward, i thought it was one of the best highs I’d ever had, probably would have picked k2 over morphine. It felt like the first time I ever got stoned every time I smoked it, and idk about you guys, but I think a super strong weed high is better than an opiate or amphetamine high.havent touched the stuff in 11years though
 
The thing is, I got to see a bunch of GC-MS data on spice (the stuff sold on the street) and dimer, trimers and polymers were almost always in there. They won't vaporize. They will pyrolize and nitrosoamines will be a product.\

So expect cancer clusters among users.

The Germans who came up with the original Spice (that looked like hash) made a novel, legal, potent but safe CB1 ligand...

But now spice (lower case) is any CB ligand,

Tried it - worst thing EVER.

But I'm the minority - most people seem to love it. The ultimate degradation drug at £5 a hit.

BTW It's all made in China. But it's a white powder far, far to potent to use so by 'make' I presume people mean 'spray onto excipient'.
 
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