MDMA magic, what's it like. Can it be lost even before trying mdma?

[BluLait]

So here's what it's about.

What would you describe the MDMA magic as being? Body feeling orgasmic and stuff like that? Or is it more psychological than body? Or both?

Can you lose the "magic" before trying MDMA? Like other drugs acting on the same receptors damaging them and thus making the MDMA high worse. I ask this because I have abused an unknown RC drug which, as described by my friend, had an mdma-like high, but not as good.

When I took the RC, first couple of times I had this orgasmic body high, starting from my chest and emanating outwards. Sense of touch wasn't improved, no. There was absolutely no empathy or feeling of being connected with others. There was no intense psychological euphoria, it was just this orgasmic body-high coupled with a little dopamine & adrenaline effects, which is usual from stimulants like speed and such. Music didn't sound much better. Pupils were a bit more dilated than they should have, but nowhere near saucer-eyes. A bit wired, tweaking when I did a lot of it. My inhibitions were lowered, I was talking shit with complete strangers and such, but that is also normal from speed-like substances. One line would last about 20 minutes, and then fade, the need to redose was incredibly high.

I do remember the second time I did the drug, I was walking down the street, and the feeling was almost the same as when I fell in love the first time with my girlfriend.. It was this weird, dizzy, mild, euphoria, can't explain it any better.

Cigarettes tasted very good, I finished a pack in an hour.

I have abused that unknown RC daily, for about a week up until I started getting nothing at all from it.. none of the same feelings.
The adregenic/dopamine-side to it also faded with abuse up to the point I would not get any effects from it, not even bad side effects, no jaw clenching, no nothing.

I then took a 3 month break, and tried it again... the feeling came back, maybe 60-70% like the first time... but still I was chasing the high, and didn't seem to get the initial euphoria going.
Are any of the above-described effects similar to mdma?

I only have had experience with a low-mdma dose ~(30 or so mg, eyeballed... couldn't have been more than 40 mg though), and I just loved it... I was hugging all my family, every song sounded better, I had the feeling of everything being right in the world, very motivated to do just about anything, absolutely no anxiety. I was super-focused and felt like I could do anything I set my mind to. Pupils just a tiny bit dillated.

I'm worried the RC I abused in the past (out of stupidity) might have done some damage to my serotogenic system, since it had a serotogenic-feeling to it (the orgasmic body high, it wasn't SUPER intense, but I did love it . Is this possible?

Maybe I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about and the orgasmic body-feeling is not related to serotonin.

Someone got anything to say on this matter?

 

[Folley]

Most likely is that you did some damage to your SERT system, but not too much at all. The drug you took sounds a bit like mephedrone, it has many, many bad side effects from use but it shouldnt hurt your SERT system too much.
The magic is basically release of serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine, prolactin and a few other select chemicals. When you abuse MDMA or other serotonigenic drugs, the levels of those chemicals in your brain get very low, and eventually they cant release like they used to, and loss of magic is inevitable at that point.

Which brings me to the next question, what is the magic like? Well, basically its that full body orgasmic high. Accompinied with a sense of love for everyone on earth, a feeling of empathy and sympathy for all living creatures. Its a feeling of connectedness to the universe, a feeling of overwhelming peace and happiness. Thats a fraction of what pure MDMA is like


Also if you abuse MDMA like you did with that random unknown RC, you can be guaranteed a loss of magic. You cant take any drug everyday without some serious consequences, hell even weed. Dont take any of these serotonin releasing drugs more than once a month, your just asking for shitty highs and brain damage if you do



With all that being said though, MDMA is an extremely safe drug, when used correctly. Im talking like a 120-150mg dose, with no redoses, once every two months. You would have a roll thats always like your first if you did that.


Hope that helped

 

[BluLait]

Thanks for your answer.

I do know for a fact that the unknown RC (we'll call it chemical X) was NOT mephedrone. 4-mmc was banned in my country in 2009 or 2010. I've never used meph myself but I have many friends who have abused it a lot during the period in which it was legal. I brought chemical X to one of my friends who had been a moderate mephedrone user in the past, we did it a couple of times, each time he said it was shit, that he didn't feel much at all, while I was basking in pleasure.
The next day after using chem X I wasn't really depressed, my body was feeling a bit worse and I was a little sick... but this could have been because of drinking a lot of alcohol.

Chemical X, on account of two of my friends, is absolutely bullshit compared to mephedrone. I can't compare, but I did like chemical X.. I had always found it felt a lot better with alcohol. To be honest.... It wasn't really that great by itself, but alcohol made it extremely euphoric.

You're saying I shouldn't really be worried about much damage ?