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Doctor Robert

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I've only taken mushrooms a few times but the last time i did them i only had a couple. I was surprised at how similar the effects were to MDMA. So it got me thinking, with the drought of pills in Australia, about some combos that i could use instead. Using low doses of LSD (can't get a hold of any more mushrooms) with a bit of speed. I found a thread with people talking of luck with using low does of LSD and how it was good for a mood lift and using in social gatherings and nightclubs.

Depending on the purity maybe doing 1/4 or 1/3 tab with a point of speed as a replacement for pills?
Thoughts or any experience trying to achieve this?
 
I wouldn't get your hopes up replacing the feeling of MDMA...it's so bloody good!

I have tried acid in a club a couple of times. The first time it just spun me out a little too much and my coordination was a bit off so dancing didn't come too easy. The second time I was a little less trippy and it was awesome but the same coordination/drive to dance was missing. I had a bag of coke so I got stuck into that for some energy but unfortunately it destroyed my happy little acid zen :(

Acid and small doses of ingested base amphetamine (like 80-100mg) is something a few of my friends swear by. Apparently ingesting is the way to go because it's come-up is smoother, which suits acid to a tea.
 
To me, mushrooms seem so far from MDMA it's crazy. I could see a low dose of shrooms possibly giving similar type euphoria and hapiness but to me i find shrooms can be difficult in a social situation. I've done shrooms out at clubs a couple of times and they're definately not close to MDMA in that kind of sense.

Where as on MDMA im to happy and confident with my self and having to much of a good time loving everything to give a flying fuck what people think of me, I find mushrooms to be very much a "does that person think im fucked up? Oh that guy DEFINATELY thinks im on something, oh that bar chick knew im fucked, everyones looking at me wierd" type experience. Don't get me wrong, I had a good time out on them but that little anxious "am i being judged" type voice always creeps back in.
Doing them in a group of people shrooming is completely different and you don't feel that anxiety as everyone else is feeling the same, and i feel they're best left out of the party scene and kept between friends.

As for LSD I havn't tried it, but judging how popular it is at festivals and such, id say a smaller dose would have you flying. People I know have said it's an amazing experience. As for mixing it with speed, word is that stimulants + psychadelics can make it very easy to fall into a bad trip and easily become very anxious. I havn't tried that combo though so can't tell you first hand what it's like.

As for replacing MDMA, in my eyes there is no replacement.
 
ive been there done that tried almost everythin. Nothing will compare to MDMA. Depends on what u are using it for and where. I find that speed and booze give a similar effect or even smoking green and a little bit of booze. 4mmc is a good substitute for it when its not available altho i dont like it as it only lasts for an hour and redosing doesnt work and doesnt have that pushy energetic feeling.

Where are u located? Pretty sure theres lots of decent Molly crystals floating around. U cant compare anythin with MDMA. There are things like it but it will lack something. Its like driving a Mercedes and expecting it to be like a Lamborghini. My final vote would be doing speed and drinking if goin out partying. Speed will give u the energetic effects and powerful euphoria and booze will give u that messiness feeling that MDMA does. I dont condone mixin substances but that has always worked for me. Champagne or wine + speed is awesome:) Forget acid at raves. U want to enjoy visuals in a good set and setting. The visuals can over power the euphoria u are looking for and will make u feel uncomfortable.
 
Nothing compares to being so fuck eyed, you are sunk into the couch, the music is vibrating your soul, and your eyes are that rolled back, you are in fact watching your own brain fry.

Nothing comes close. I get shivers thinking about it
 
Rise Against said:
To me, mushrooms seem so far from MDMA it's crazy. I could see a low dose of shrooms possibly giving similar type euphoria and hapiness but to me i find shrooms can be difficult in a social situation. I've done shrooms out at clubs a couple of times and they're definately not close to MDMA in that kind of sense.

Where as on MDMA im to happy and confident with my self and having to much of a good time loving everything to give a flying fuck what people think of me, I find mushrooms to be very much a "does that person think im fucked up? Oh that guy DEFINATELY thinks im on something, oh that bar chick knew im fucked, everyones looking at me wierd" type experience. Don't get me wrong, I had a good time out on them but that little anxious "am i being judged" type voice always creeps back in.
Doing them in a group of people shrooming is completely different and you don't feel that anxiety as everyone else is feeling the same, and i feel they're best left out of the party scene and kept between friends.

As for LSD I havn't tried it, but judging how popular it is at festivals and such, id say a smaller dose would have you flying. People I know have said it's an amazing experience. As for mixing it with speed, word is that stimulants + psychadelics can make it very easy to fall into a bad trip and easily become very anxious. I havn't tried that combo though so can't tell you first hand what it's like.

As for replacing MDMA, in my eyes there is no replacement.
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Absolutely 100% agree with this post. It's pretty much exactly what I would have said.
 
Rise Against said:
To me, mushrooms seem so far from MDMA it's crazy.
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I agree. MDMA itself i don't conciser to be psychedelic, however if you look into some of the 2C family like 2C-E for instance, then that is like a hyper synthetic feeling compared to acid, where as 2C-B you would compare more to MDMA with a flash.

Honestly in regards with what the OP was saying, I have had much better effects and memorable nights candy flipping as opposed to amphetamines with a low dose of Cid. candy flip is to take MDMA with LSD and boy do they synergise=D

if you dose say 150mg of MDMA and take a comfortable amount of LSD.... i've tripped solely on LSd and gone out clubbing or to consorts and of course it can be awkward... especially because i'm not into taking low doses of acid. We had some and it was supposed to be 70-80 µg of acid a drop, there were times where we'd just re-dose by directly holding the bottle over our mouths and doing 6-7 drops. Anyway i know that inhibited feeling acid gives one, ess[ecially when out in a public environment, and MDMA compliments it so well!

the thing i hated about MDMA the most was as soon as it came on i always felt a little sadness that i'd knew it will be over soon..... as high as i got... i mean i've IV'd pure MDMA not neck raving, just my experience and understanding of how it works and effects me is extensive. Basically the MDMA takes all the inhibitions away and might slightly lessen the effects of LSD in my experience. you're still tripping but it's defiantly a MDMA bliss with the visuals of LSD. theres no uncomfortable body load because of the MDMA and the best part is right.... say you're 2 hours in and loving it... you've already peeked on the MD but you don't notice the comedown! its like you're on the MD for at least 8 hours and by that time the acid will become more prominent.... but still slightly dulled by the MD but not much.

every time i've candyfliped i've had a great time with no anxiety... basically Acid seems to give MDMA fucking long legs and the subtleness between the 2 drugs and how they work with each other are pretty well tolerated. my cousin, said; if i ever take acid again it would have to be a candyflip' after having a too intense LSD trip.

very easy experience if thats what one wants. and extremely pleasurable.... maybe have a benzo on hand in case you're not sure about the dose of acid, but I'd doubt there'd be anxiety anyway. I'm under the understanding that re-dosing on MDMA is not efficient and i know you can push anything but not willing to try and get that same feeling from MDMA in the same night,, probably impossible unless you dose massive..... or take it with acid;)
 
Doctor Robert said:
Using low doses of LSD (can't get a hold of any more mushrooms) with a bit of speed. I found a thread with people talking of luck with using low does of LSD and how it was good for a mood lift and using in social gatherings and nightclubs.

Depending on the purity maybe doing 1/4 or 1/3 tab with a point of speed as a replacement for pills?
Thoughts or any experience trying to achieve this?
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If you do try this make sure you keep the doses very low. That combo will end in bad trips, being sedated and admitted to a psych ward, I have even watched some one try to OD on methadone to make it stop. Seeing what this has done to people around scares me so much that if I did do it I would have a bad trip out of fear.

Sublimit said:
I agree. MDMA itself i don't conciser to be psychedelic, however if you look into some of the 2C family like 2C-E for instance, then that is like a hyper synthetic feeling compared to acid, where as 2C-B you would compare more to MDMA with a flash.
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I still wouldn't consider 2C-B to be anything like MDMA at all. It is probably the most similar psychedelic I have tried but is still a long way off being close to what MDMA feels like.

To OP, what you're looking for is Mephedrone and Methylone. They are the closest replacements around or hunt harder and find some MDMA.
 
Jakeperson said:
I still wouldn't consider 2C-B to be anything like MDMA at all. It is probably the most similar psychedelic I have tried but is still a long way off being close to what MDMA feels like.
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ha! If you've ever tried 2c-e you wouldn't be saying that. or am i wrong. I've had a few experiences with 2c-b and they're like a dulled down euphoric version of MD but with a body load and a lesser sense of empathy,,, to me there wasn't any worthwhile psychedelic experience from it hence it's more recreational like MDMA
 
2C-E is definitely closer to acid. Like I said it is the most similar but not really anything close to MDMA, 2C-B that is.

There is no eye wiggles or muntedness, the euphoria is without a doubt a psychedelic euphoria, the body rushes are sparing, there is little to no empathy. I have heard from a few people that B is also considered to be the closest PEA to Mescaline as well. I find 2C-B to be very psychedelic and one of the most healing feeling psychs I have tried. I have tried it at 15mg, 16mg, 20mg, 21mg, 25mg, 27.5mg and 35mg. I found at lower doses that the psychedelic effects aren't as pronounced but are definitely there and they wave a fair bit, similar to MDMA.

Interestingly with the 35mg it took almost 3 hours before I began to feel any come up effects. All of those doses are oral (I snorted 2-C-T-7 ones and my face nearly imploded and I passed out not long after so don't think I will ever snort a PEA again due to the pain and histamine reaction).
 
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Why not take MDAI, it's a great buzz if you get the real stuff and it's cheap and legal!!!
 
0.5g of MDAI in a glass of pop, down it and you get a wicked warm buzz!! And feel brand new the day after.You have to be careful because there is a lot of rubbish about though.
I tried nearly every website going because I heard how good it was. [snip]
 
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Jakeperson said:
2C-E is definitely closer to acid. Like I said it is the most similar but not really anything close to MDMA, 2C-B that is.

There is no eye wiggles or muntedness, the euphoria is without a doubt a psychedelic euphoria, the body rushes are sparing, there is little to no empathy. I have heard from a few people that B is also considered to be the closest PEA to Mescaline as well. I find 2C-B to be very psychedelic and one of the most healing feeling psychs I have tried. I have tried it at 15mg, 16mg, 20mg, 21mg, 25mg, 27.5mg and 35mg. I found at lower doses that the psychedelic effects aren't as pronounced but are definitely there and they wave a fair bit, similar to MDMA.

Interestingly with the 35mg it took almost 3 hours before I began to feel any come up effects. All of those doses are oral (I snorted 2-C-T-7 ones and my face nearly imploded and I passed out not long after so don't think I will ever snort a PEA again due to the pain and histamine reaction).
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I see you know your 2C's;)

I guess i was a lot more interested in E than B because my club and MD days were getting unmanageable for me to the point of me using it a few times in the last 3 years. I was more interested in the spiritual side of psychedelics, entheogens more specifically at that point. I have unfinished business with both club/bar scene and entheogens. no MD. I can be that person without it, but i get the sense that in need some spiritual healing
 
I'm a designer drug kinda guy. Acid and Shrooms are all well and good but there's something that draws my to 2C's. B being my favourite.

I used to be into psychs for the spiritual side and even MDMA some what, I think whatever they can teach me however I have already learned or missed. But you never stop learning so it's a good excuse to keep trying them :D
 
Sublimit said:
I see you know your 2C's;)
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Well he is snorting 2C-T-7 so i wouldn't go that far.

2C-B is definately the easiest to manage 2C-*, with that said in high doses it can certainly humble you. I found 2C-T-7 to be quite similar to B in the sense that i wasn't getting as many visuals as i would of 2C-E or 2C-I but it had a much more psychadelic body feeling. 2C-I has more visual distortions than B and seemed to rely on mindset unlike B which i finds puts you in a good mood (like mdma). For this reason i found 2C-I to be slightly darker. 2C-E was as previously described, a lot more psychadelic. I find that with 2C-B/I/T-7/C i can sober myself up if i need to deal with something important, with 2C-E it was not like that at all.

As for my favourite MDMA substitute i reckon a little bit of acid, booze and speed is an awesome combo :D
 
Wiggis said:
Why not take MDAI, it's a great buzz if you get the real stuff and it's cheap and legal!!!
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From memory most users who have tried it report the opposite; the effects are minimal and hence it's not good value for money, and claiming something is "legal" in Asutralia is a bold move given our analog laws. I'll quote phase dancer:

phase_dancer said:
Substantially similar = >50% similar

So it depends on how broadly this is determined. Are we talking about something that looks the same or has different chemical and pharmacological properties, or are we merely talking about atoms? If you count up the atoms of MDMA, and compare to what is the same and what is not, you will find MDAI is substantially similar to MDA, as MDMAI is to MDMA. The aminoindane only differs from MDA at the normally terminal alpha carbon (3) and the substituted carbon on the benzene ring (and the hydrogens associated). Even if you're including spatial differences or comparing bond angles I think you'd be hard pressed to show substantial differences.
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http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=8185060&postcount=5

Might be worth reading the MDAI megathread?
 
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