Ok, here is my advice on the subject matter. Orginally going to post this in a reply to another thread but felt that after I was done that it was detailed enough to be its own thread. Ive delt with a very large amount of first time rollers/ inexpierenced rollers. Panic attacks do happen, usually from taking to much. When I say taking too much i dont mean ODing or even too much to handle, its simply more than person is accustomed to. MDMA though great feeling, when taking alot inexpierenced it is intense. Its not good not bad persay but intense. When taking a large amount of MDMA (i once accidently took full gram to the face not over period of time so of you might of read my post in another thread.) I was absolutly fine later on but when it first hit it was "almost too much to handle"
I will give you my method to never having bad expierence with drugs (I have never had a bad expierence, bad trip etc). This only applies to low risk drugs. Meaning drugs you cant really "OD" on. Weed, MDMA, Acid, Shrooms etc, but I will gear this told MDMA. First thing you have to program into your mind and truely realize and believe (educating your self is best way to do it). If you do it right there is no way to OD.
I will give alot of information explaining why after this but in terms of any drugs, take a more logical approach. When effects start kicking in and your not feeling so great and start to worry, talk to yourself "Hey mollyhead.... your fine this is just an effect of the drug you took more than normal and thats why you feel this way but you will absolutly be fine.... lets go sit and relax till you feel better, go watch a glove light show enjoy the music, there is zero chance of anything really bad happening and remmebr why......"
The LD 50 of MDMA in rats ranged from 100mg to 300 mg per kg. When tested on rats. So conservativly 100mg per kg, and to be super conservative if a person weighed 100 pounds the would need to take 4.5 grams of pure MDMA. Now to get even more conservative, DEA posted in there summary lethal dose could be as low as 20mg per kg (again remember there is 0 scientific or evidence for that statement. It is literally an assumption based on a girl dieing after taking 5 pills with the assumption each pill had 70mg per and she weighs 88 pounds (i dont know why you would assume girl weighs that much unless she has eating disorder or is extremely short), and that the death was related directly to toxicity of the MDMA. With this ridicolously conservative assumption you would still need 900 mg of pure MDMA to overdose. Which no one what so ever should be taking. The plasma half life of MDMA is 8-9 hours so the theory of dosing two days back to back is assuming that the second situation of rolling occured 24 hours from intial dose. Which is about 3 half lives to be extremly conservative im going to say 2 half lives. That means theres 25 percent of the MDMA left in your system. Lets get really conservative here, lets say you took just under the LD50, 800 mg worst case scenario. there is 200 mg left in ur system. You would need to take the same ridicolous dosage of 800 mg to have lethal overdose. This is also all assuming you have pure mdma.
So its fair to say unless your on a suicide mission and no regards to sanity and reason even with the most conservative figures humanly possible, you are a tiny tiny girl taking 4x a relativly high dose two nights in a row and the DEA completly factless assumption is correct you arent going to overdose directly from MDMA.
When you realize that next you need to understand what actually leads to people dieing/ or ending up in hosptial on MDMA.
In UK there was like 30 reported deaths linked to molly, now understand this that number is simply people who took MDMA and died sometime in immediate future. Does not take into account other drugs used, or combination used alcohol, cardiac problems, dehydration etc. The equivalent comparison is saying every person who died within 6 hours of having a alcoholic beverage died from alcohol.
So lets look at each scenario independently. Major concern is MDMA is dehydration. Realizing this if you take to much MDMA or feeling "panicy". Sit down relax you dont have to be jumping around to enjoy a roll. And heres something you need to realize. It is so incredibly difficult to dehydrate when you are not physically exerting yourself. I am not saying its not possible, but I cant imagine no matter how much MDMA someone took for them to dehydrate from sitting, combine this with actually making sure you have water and you have nothing to worry about.
One of the most famous incidents with MDMA is some girl who died from driinking to much water. Again, this is not a possibly for you if you are calm and realize 1.) how hard it is to dehydrate 2.) how incredibly difficult it is if you are no exerting yourself 3.) how nearly impossible it is if you stay moderatly hydrated. This poor girl died do to fear mongering when it comes to MDMA. She would still be alive if government, media etc was realistic in the dangers of MDMA. remmember sip dont chug.
Another adverse effect of MDMA is severe overheating. Or dehydration. Again, in terms of panic this will not happen in any way shape or form in begining. I dont think anyone in the history of MDMA and or any amphetimines died 45 mins or an hour or w.e after taking the drug from dehydration. Dancing non stop for 6 hours without water ya that could do it. So as long as you stay hydrated you will be fine, water not easily available (fucking shows where they are 7 dollars a bottle) thats not that big of a deal. TAKE A BREAK. You will be amazed how much more you will enjoy yourself if 2.5 hours in you decide to take a 15 min breather get some water hit the bathroom wash your face off and hit the dance floor harder than ever. What I tell all my inexpierenced rollers I would rather give up an hour of my partying relaxing (which can be equally enjoyable) to rage and have a ridicolous 5 hours than have a ok time for 6.
Last underlying cardiac issues. Hate to say it your fucked no matter what with this situation. If you choose to do drugs like MDMA than if you have underlying cardiac issue than theres nothing you can really do. If you are concerned that you heart is going to expload from MDMA, dont do MDMA. Or any drug for that matter. Nothing you can do about this so no point in paniacing nothing you can do about it.
This is in no way trying to state that MDMA is 100 percent safe and that you should do large amounts and be care free. Its merely that those who have had panic attacks or those who expierence it in future that if you are smart about it and follow a few rules than nothing bad can happen and you shouldnt fret. Especially in the moment, there is absolutly nothing you can do about it its already done, freaking out wont help anything. Think logically and realize your going to be fine and panic will fade away. And instead of popping molly with no care by understanding and respecting the drug you will be able to logic your panic away.
Sorry for the ridicolous detail but understanding these facts will def prevent panic attacks.
I will give you my method to never having bad expierence with drugs (I have never had a bad expierence, bad trip etc). This only applies to low risk drugs. Meaning drugs you cant really "OD" on. Weed, MDMA, Acid, Shrooms etc, but I will gear this told MDMA. First thing you have to program into your mind and truely realize and believe (educating your self is best way to do it). If you do it right there is no way to OD.
I will give alot of information explaining why after this but in terms of any drugs, take a more logical approach. When effects start kicking in and your not feeling so great and start to worry, talk to yourself "Hey mollyhead.... your fine this is just an effect of the drug you took more than normal and thats why you feel this way but you will absolutly be fine.... lets go sit and relax till you feel better, go watch a glove light show enjoy the music, there is zero chance of anything really bad happening and remmebr why......"
The LD 50 of MDMA in rats ranged from 100mg to 300 mg per kg. When tested on rats. So conservativly 100mg per kg, and to be super conservative if a person weighed 100 pounds the would need to take 4.5 grams of pure MDMA. Now to get even more conservative, DEA posted in there summary lethal dose could be as low as 20mg per kg (again remember there is 0 scientific or evidence for that statement. It is literally an assumption based on a girl dieing after taking 5 pills with the assumption each pill had 70mg per and she weighs 88 pounds (i dont know why you would assume girl weighs that much unless she has eating disorder or is extremely short), and that the death was related directly to toxicity of the MDMA. With this ridicolously conservative assumption you would still need 900 mg of pure MDMA to overdose. Which no one what so ever should be taking. The plasma half life of MDMA is 8-9 hours so the theory of dosing two days back to back is assuming that the second situation of rolling occured 24 hours from intial dose. Which is about 3 half lives to be extremly conservative im going to say 2 half lives. That means theres 25 percent of the MDMA left in your system. Lets get really conservative here, lets say you took just under the LD50, 800 mg worst case scenario. there is 200 mg left in ur system. You would need to take the same ridicolous dosage of 800 mg to have lethal overdose. This is also all assuming you have pure mdma.
So its fair to say unless your on a suicide mission and no regards to sanity and reason even with the most conservative figures humanly possible, you are a tiny tiny girl taking 4x a relativly high dose two nights in a row and the DEA completly factless assumption is correct you arent going to overdose directly from MDMA.
When you realize that next you need to understand what actually leads to people dieing/ or ending up in hosptial on MDMA.
In UK there was like 30 reported deaths linked to molly, now understand this that number is simply people who took MDMA and died sometime in immediate future. Does not take into account other drugs used, or combination used alcohol, cardiac problems, dehydration etc. The equivalent comparison is saying every person who died within 6 hours of having a alcoholic beverage died from alcohol.
So lets look at each scenario independently. Major concern is MDMA is dehydration. Realizing this if you take to much MDMA or feeling "panicy". Sit down relax you dont have to be jumping around to enjoy a roll. And heres something you need to realize. It is so incredibly difficult to dehydrate when you are not physically exerting yourself. I am not saying its not possible, but I cant imagine no matter how much MDMA someone took for them to dehydrate from sitting, combine this with actually making sure you have water and you have nothing to worry about.
One of the most famous incidents with MDMA is some girl who died from driinking to much water. Again, this is not a possibly for you if you are calm and realize 1.) how hard it is to dehydrate 2.) how incredibly difficult it is if you are no exerting yourself 3.) how nearly impossible it is if you stay moderatly hydrated. This poor girl died do to fear mongering when it comes to MDMA. She would still be alive if government, media etc was realistic in the dangers of MDMA. remmember sip dont chug.
Another adverse effect of MDMA is severe overheating. Or dehydration. Again, in terms of panic this will not happen in any way shape or form in begining. I dont think anyone in the history of MDMA and or any amphetimines died 45 mins or an hour or w.e after taking the drug from dehydration. Dancing non stop for 6 hours without water ya that could do it. So as long as you stay hydrated you will be fine, water not easily available (fucking shows where they are 7 dollars a bottle) thats not that big of a deal. TAKE A BREAK. You will be amazed how much more you will enjoy yourself if 2.5 hours in you decide to take a 15 min breather get some water hit the bathroom wash your face off and hit the dance floor harder than ever. What I tell all my inexpierenced rollers I would rather give up an hour of my partying relaxing (which can be equally enjoyable) to rage and have a ridicolous 5 hours than have a ok time for 6.
Last underlying cardiac issues. Hate to say it your fucked no matter what with this situation. If you choose to do drugs like MDMA than if you have underlying cardiac issue than theres nothing you can really do. If you are concerned that you heart is going to expload from MDMA, dont do MDMA. Or any drug for that matter. Nothing you can do about this so no point in paniacing nothing you can do about it.
This is in no way trying to state that MDMA is 100 percent safe and that you should do large amounts and be care free. Its merely that those who have had panic attacks or those who expierence it in future that if you are smart about it and follow a few rules than nothing bad can happen and you shouldnt fret. Especially in the moment, there is absolutly nothing you can do about it its already done, freaking out wont help anything. Think logically and realize your going to be fine and panic will fade away. And instead of popping molly with no care by understanding and respecting the drug you will be able to logic your panic away.
Sorry for the ridicolous detail but understanding these facts will def prevent panic attacks.
