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MDMA for Stuttering

SIG2022 said:
Thanks for your reply, were you born a stutterer? How does the mind work when your on E and don't stutter? Is it physical relaxation or a clear train of thought, or? I'm curious to know how MDMA works, never done it before.
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ive stuttered ever since i can remember and on e you feel more comfortable with everything and everyone around you even if you dont know them normally you also feel like everyones your friend and feel like you have strong bonds with people so in a sense because of that i geuss if you stuttering is caused by nervousness it would be taken away but mine is caused by both excitement and nervousness but i still never stutter on mdma it just seems like everything flows so smoothly and sometimes it can make you more relaxed wich helps but it doesnt have the same effects on everyones stuttering like another person posted different people different effects so you cant be sure until you try
 
I know people go on about how people with anxiety shouldn't do MDMA. MDMA will not cure stuttering or anxiety but it will free you of those problems for the few hours you are on it. It can be quite exhilarating to escape those problems temporarily, but if you need something to help on a day-to-day basis MDMA is definitely not the cure.
 
After I roll for a couple weeks I'll randomly get really bizarre jaw twitches in the middle of words. Sorta like stuttering. I don't think it would be a cure, but who knows.
 
cutlery69 said:
I know people go on about how people with anxiety shouldn't do MDMA. MDMA will not cure stuttering or anxiety but it will free you of those problems for the few hours you are on it. It can be quite exhilarating to escape those problems temporarily, but if you need something to help on a day-to-day basis MDMA is definitely not the cure.
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If they are treating PTSD with MDMA I'm hoping the dosage they use can be used to treat stuttering. I'm hoping it can be used long term.
 
To makes things clear I'm not looking to roll everyday of my life. I'm looking at low dosages of 50-75mg to see if it will help with my stutter. It's interfering with my everyday life. Just the fear that I always had since childhood is making my stutter worse.
 
Even low doses are gonna cause problems, drugs aren't good for you. That's not saying it's going to kill you, but to put it into perspective, I take a rough 70-90 mg bomb followed by another and I trip balls (but thats MDA-MDMA anyway).

I have no knowledge or the medical benefits of MDMA so I can't contribute much worthwhile, I just cant see it happening. How often do you want to dose?
 
StrutterGear said:
Even low doses are gonna cause problems, drugs aren't good for you. That's not saying it's going to kill you, but to put it into perspective, I take a rough 70-90 mg bomb followed by another and I trip balls (but thats MDA-MDMA anyway).

I have no knowledge or the medical benefits of MDMA so I can't contribute much worthwhile, I just cant see it happening. How often do you want to dose?
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I'm still doing my research. Even if I do decide to take MDMA I will start of at 50mg and see if that well ease my stutter. I'm a stutterer in general but the fear of knowing I'll stutter just makes it worse when I talk.

Although I won't be able to do MDMA as I don't know where to look unless I get into a trial. I emailed MAPS to see if I can get into a PTSD trial. I will most likely go with Methylone if I can't get into a trial.

I don't know the long term side effects if I use a low dose on a daily bases. I wonder those being treated for PTSD is it a long term treatment of short term? I still don't know.
 
cryptix420 said:
After I roll for a couple weeks I'll randomly get really bizarre jaw twitches in the middle of words. Sorta like stuttering. I don't think it would be a cure, but who knows.
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I'd say this is unrelated. Stuttering is not a physical condition.
 
Yes it does cure stuttering while you're on it.

I think it's because it's such an anxiety free feeling coupled with it's relaxing effect on the muscles. It has a similar effect on people with parkinsons disease - without MDMA they are trembling and so tense they can hardly move, on MDMA the shaking stops.

It might not be a permanent cure but if you study how you're feeling and producing sound while you're on MDMA it would be perfectly possible to learn how to recreate this feeling better in a sober state. At least it lets you know you can talk fluently - which for many stammerers is a big revelation.
 
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SIG2022 said:
MDMA is a cure for stuttering from what I read. Anyone here that stutters and became cured while on MDMA? I'm a stutterer (very bad stutter) and was curious if anyone on here that stutters and can tell me how MDMA works and how they are fluent? Example: is it relaxed muscles, clear mind, or?
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When I was in 6th grade, I had a nasty stuttering problem. A girl slapped me upside the head for stuttering and I never road a school bus again after that (I was a bit of a pussy >.>). What I never realised is that my stuttering did mysteriously vanish sometime between 7th and 8th grade -- the years I began to use MDMA. Fascinating coincidence =D
 
Hiya OP,

I've had a severe stutter ever since I was about 5, but speaking to me now you wouldn't know it. While, like most neurological issues, non-transient stuttering is not too well understood, the best guess (last I heard) was that it had to do with some crossed wiring in the cerebellum. Chances are MDMA wouldn't help that, and since it's a stim it would make you more excited and therefore more prone to breaking or getting stuck. For some it may be anxiety-linked, in which case MDMA might help, but I know that in my direct experience I generally tend to stutter more when I take it.

I don't want to post a direct link, as I'm not sure if they'd appreciate linked traffic from a drug-friendly website (bloody pariahs that we are ;)), but if you're interested I can provide you with some information on a non-pharmaceutical speech therapy program which has had amazing results via PM. Ages ago, I was in one of their first test groups of a new treatment methodology, and it all but cured me; I still need to practise every now and then, and I still occasionally trip up, but when I tell people who know me that I stutter they are genuinely shocked. That's how well it works-- I was at the point where I couldn't string three words together, facial tics and all, and now I speak as fluently as any other person.

I owe them my life. Let me know if you'd like more info. Stuttering isn't the sort of thing that should be treated with a pill, much less one like MDMA.
 
You might have to do some experimenting to get the right dose that cures the problem, too low doesn't seem to do it. Too big a dose is usually more effective than too small a dose.

Let us know how it goes - I think it might be a wonderful surprise for you!
 
Ismene said:
Yes it does cure stuttering. I've a couple of friends who have had life-long stammering and a dose of MDMA allows them to speak beautifully. It's a fantastic and magical thing for them (and me to watch them enjoying talking so much).

I think it's because it's such an anxiety free feeling coupled with it's relaxing effect on the muscles. It has a similar effect on people with parkinsons disease - without MDMA they are trembling and so tense they can hardly move, on MDMA the shaking stops.

It might not be a permanent cure but if you study how you're feeling and producing sound while you're on MDMA it would be perfectly possible to learn how to recreate this feeling better in a sober state. At least it lets you know you can talk fluently - which for many stammerers is a big revelation.
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Thank you for replying. Your in the same page as I am with MDMA curing stuttering while being under the influence of MDMA. I know MDMA can't be used long term but I do want to see how I react while under MDMA and memick its effect while being sober.
 
AylaV said:
When I was in 6th grade, I had a nasty stuttering problem. A girl slapped me upside the head for stuttering and I never road a school bus again after that (I was a bit of a pussy >.>). What I never realised is that my stuttering did mysteriously vanish sometime between 7th and 8th grade -- the years I began to use MDMA. Fascinating coincidence =D
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I'm in the same boat as your in, my childhood was a bit rough due to my stutter. Altough I'm almost 24 now and doing better than most of those pricks who used to tease me.

I will try out MDMA as soon as I wean off my SNRI and find another type of anti-depressant if I feel that I'm still depressed after my SNRI detox. I truly do believe I don't need it anymore but the weather change (rain) always gets me depressed.
 
Dave said:
Hiya OP,

I've had a severe stutter ever since I was about 5, but speaking to me now you wouldn't know it. While, like most neurological issues, non-transient stuttering is not too well understood, the best guess (last I heard) was that it had to do with some crossed wiring in the cerebellum. Chances are MDMA wouldn't help that, and since it's a stim it would make you more excited and therefore more prone to breaking or getting stuck. For some it may be anxiety-linked, in which case MDMA might help, but I know that in my direct experience I generally tend to stutter more when I take it.

I don't want to post a direct link, as I'm not sure if they'd appreciate linked traffic from a drug-friendly website (bloody pariahs that we are ;)), but if you're interested I can provide you with some information on a non-pharmaceutical speech therapy program which has had amazing results via PM. Ages ago, I was in one of their first test groups of a new treatment methodology, and it all but cured me; I still need to practise every now and then, and I still occasionally trip up, but when I tell people who know me that I stutter they are genuinely shocked. That's how well it works-- I was at the point where I couldn't string three words together, facial tics and all, and now I speak as fluently as any other person.

I owe them my life. Let me know if you'd like more info. Stuttering isn't the sort of thing that should be treated with a pill, much less one like MDMA.
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Hi Dave,

Thanks for replying to my post. I am interested in the link. Thanks in advance.
 
Ismene said:
You might have to do some experimenting to get the right dose that cures the problem, too low doesn't seem to do it. Too big a dose is usually more effective than too small a dose.

Let us know how it goes - I think it might be a wonderful surprise for you!
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It will be a great trial if I go with my own study. I will blog about it on here as I move forward with it.
 
Sig, I've been a lifelong stutterer. It used to be far worse in childhood, now people only notice it after a couple conversations. Sometimes when I'm rolling I don't seem to stutter as much, perhaps because of reduced anxiety.
However, studies show that stuttering is correlated with increased dopamine in speech centers of the brain, and as a dopamine releasing agent, MDMA is not going to help with that.
In my experience, following a roll, my stutter is worse for a week or so, which happens with other DA agonist or DA releasing drugs.
Something like MDMA shouldnt be take with any regularity, especially not for a stutter, since any benefit you see at first is very likely to fade in the long run, and may result in your stutter being worse than it was to start with.
If there is any way in which rolling can really help your stutter, it would be to take it once, get a feeling for what living without the anxiety is like, and then find ways to reduce your anxiety while sober.
No pill is going to be a miracle cure for stuttering, although dopamine antagonists / antipsychotics have been shown to be somewhat helpful.
 
blue_locus said:
Sig, I've been a lifelong stutterer. It used to be far worse in childhood, now people only notice it after a couple conversations. Sometimes when I'm rolling I don't seem to stutter as much, perhaps because of reduced anxiety.
However, studies show that stuttering is correlated with increased dopamine in speech centers of the brain, and as a dopamine releasing agent, MDMA is not going to help with that.
In my experience, following a roll, my stutter is worse for a week or so, which happens with other DA agonist or DA releasing drugs.
Something like MDMA shouldnt be take with any regularity, especially not for a stutter, since any benefit you see at first is very likely to fade in the long run, and may result in your stutter being worse than it was to start with.
If there is any way in which rolling can really help your stutter, it would be to take it once, get a feeling for what living without the anxiety is like, and then find ways to reduce your anxiety while sober.
No pill is going to be a miracle cure for stuttering, although dopamine antagonists / antipsychotics have been shown to be somewhat helpful.
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Thanks for replying to my thread. I've been on 3 dopamine antagonist in the past year and none of them seemed to reduce my stutter. I'm pretty sure my stutter isn't caused by too much dopamine. My thought isn't clear like something is interfering with it. It's hard to explain but I don't feel like I have a clear train of thought if you get what I'm saying. I was also in the Pagoclone study and that didn't seem to reduce my stutter. The thought of knowing I'll stutter makes my stutter worse. I've tried every anti-anxiety medicine and none seemed to work on me. Well, Xanax did work at calming me down but that isn't the long term answer as tolerance builds up.
 
I'm not sure whether the people who think MDMA is stimulating and likely to make a stammer worse are getting good MDMA. Either that or they spend their MDMA trips at clubs with loud music blasting and dancing for hours on end. Taking it a club and expecting it to help your speech while you're dancing isn't going to work at all.

The overwhelming feeling me and my friends get on MDMA is a feeling of intense relaxation. Absolutely intense muscle relaxation. Now I think it's a given that tense muscles in your speech mechanism contribute to stammering. If these muscles are relaxed for the first time in your life - coupled with zero emotional anxiety - then you're going to find speech comes more fluent. Xanax can help mildly but I don't think it has the power of MDMA. MDMA has worked for both of my friends (and sometimes LSD and Psilocybin but not as reliably as MDMA)

While no-one is saying MDMA is a permanent cure, the experience of not stammering for a few hours is tremendously important for most stutterers.

One thing that needs pointing out Sig - you will need GENUINE MDMA!! Pips and all the other bunk that is sold as MDMA won't do anything for you.

EDIT: Once you're high try a few words - don't worry if they don't come out perfect. Maybe slow your speech rate down, try elongating the sounds of certain words, flow the sound of each word into the start of the next word. Just play around a little. The main thing is just to enjoy a bit of free speech in a relaxed environment.
 
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i do know this
MDMA is an amphetamine/has stimulant effects
amphetamine will accentuate and sometimes cause a stutter
so im betting its gonna make it worse from the stimulant action of the MDMA.
 
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