MDMA first time among non rollers, normal dose, how much in control am I?

[BlueBull]

Alcohol just makes me stupid and tired.

I've never done MDMA, but I doubt that moderate and wise recreational usage does not also have therapeutic value. I can't really prove it, but I find it ridiculous if it didn't.

Of course it does, though to a much lesser degree than actual therapy. But only if you are already in a good mindset. MDMA is very much a set/setting drug so your mindset influences your roll greatly. If you were to use MDMA to combat certain psychological issues, without guidance by a professional, it would only be beneficial during your roll as it would suppress these issues. This is however not good as they will resurface afterwards, probably more severe because of the impact your roll has on your hormonal system. Furthermore it is never advised to depend on a substance to alleviate mental issues, as this can create dependency to that substance, a VERY bad thing to have with MDMA as it wreaks absolute havoc when overused or misused

MDMA when used in a therapeutic setting, in lower doses than when used recreationally and with a professional guiding you, is not so much therapeutic in itself, but rather it eases therapy because of the effects it has. It opens up people and makes them less afraid of talking about sensitive issues. For instance when used to treat PTSD it is not the MDMA that helps, it's the therapy that does, MDMA just helps it along by temporarily decreasing the anxiety the patient experiences from the PTSD and lowering inhibitions and fears, making therapy easier

 

[mylifeislike]

I know of the importance of set/setting regarding LSD usage since the trip is much more unpredictable, and I've on multiple occasions been reckless myself.
However, MDMA is much easier on the virgin trippers mind as it is a much more less set/setting dependent drug and more euphoric/relaxed.

I've read stories about people having a lot of success with MDMA and their own anxiety with a very positive long lasting afterglow.
I am not going to abuse MDMA as I've done all the necessary research surrounding the really bad sides of MDMA abuse, the neurotoxicity and why rolls are best spaced one month between.
When the right moment arrives I'm gonna give it a shot and have a good time, that is my main reason of use.

One last thing. How inadvisable is it to roll alone generally. I am just wondering, don't really plan on doing it, but If I'm really low on roll buddies, and there's not other option.

 

[luxray]

Unfortunately, none of my friends are available for rolling around. So I am forced to roll together with some family members. They wont know I'm intoxicated.

Yes, they will know. And if you have to restrain yourself, you're gonna have a bad time...

Long story short, how much in control am I during a MDMA roll, I've heard it's very clean and since anxiety incinerates I assume it won't be a big problem. Plan on dosing around 75mg(erowid).

How bad of an idea is it to do it among non rollers for the first time at home.
We may very likely go downtown during my roll. The relationship between my family and me isn't the best, but not awful. Could any of this pose any problem to me during the trip?

This sounds like an awful plan.

MDMA is fun to take when you are with friends, or with others who are also "there". Why not wait till your friends can join? Or go alone to a place where you know other people will be on MDMA, it will be better than to hang out with people that aren't supposed to know you have taken MDMA...


Always test your stuff!
Also you might find that 75 mg is a little bit too low, depending on your weight. 1-2 mg/kg is recommended dosage, with a booster of 0.5-1 mg/kg after 1,5-2 hours if needed.
If you take too little you will be in a sort of weird state. If so just take 30-40 mg more.

 

[luxray]

One last thing. How inadvisable is it to roll alone generally. I am just wondering, don't really plan on doing it, but If I'm really low on roll buddies, and there's not other option.

I wouldn't do it. It's a social drug, and you would ruin the experience. I've known people who have taken it alone, and they have all regretted it. It's not fun being alone when you want to be with others, and MDMA makes you want to be with others.

But isn't there any raves or festivals where you live? Or clubs that plays electronic music? In other words places where people are likely to be on mdma? Go to a place like that, meet people that are like you, take MDMA, have fun! I've recently moved to a new place, and that's what I did. Now I have a bunch of new friends.

 

[mylifeislike]

I know I know.My cycle of friends are just so limited to alcohol. I live in a small town, kinda urban, small town with no clubs more or less, but many bars.Bluelighters unite!!

 

[JWills20]

I've never done MDMA, but I doubt that moderate and wise recreational usage does not also have therapeutic value. I can't really prove it, but I find it ridiculous if it didn't.

I think you're misunderstanding the therapeutic usage of MDMA. For MDMA to be therapeutic it needs to be with a trained professional in a comfortable environment where you're not going to be judged and you can open and talk about real issues with no barries. The situation you describe sounds so incredibly far from that it sounds like an awful idea to take it. I wouldn't even take MDMA outside of a rave setting with lots of other people on it too. While you may not have a bad trip, a shit setting will certainly mute a massive portion of the good effects that do come from the drug. Hence why set/setting is so important. Simply worrying about what others are thinking detracts from the beauty and meaning of the experience. Recreationally, the drug is all about letting loose, not worrying about what others think, sharing moments with others, chatting about whatever you want to completely uninhibited, being as silly as you want, shaking hands with people you don't know, dancing as crazy as you want with people you don't know etc etc. Your setting is completely inappropriate.

 

[Cliffy78]

Well u don't seem like a complete noob since your in the stim thread getting info on all kinds of shit so do u honestly not know what ur doing or are you just getting ur jollys watching all of us trying to help u? I'm not a dick and not trying to be one but everyone's said the same thing. I just saw the amp thread so what's the deal bro? Most people that are ready to amp up usually know a bit about e? I'm just saying man...

 

[Deleted member 290563]

ive rolled alone a handful of times and it was great everytime, people that say its a waste don't really have a good appreciation of mdma and need clubs and crowds to distract them from the real magic happening inside themselves, a picturesque setting, an ipod and solitude can provide a peak experience like no other, yes you miss out on the superhuman social abilities...but if thats all the drug is about to you then i guess it IS a waste to take it alone. its very relaxing and enjoyable. For your fist time I would make it something more memorable like a rave or a party with close friends or a concert.


And yes, everyone will know you're on something. You will be acting way too friendly and uninhibited and won't really give a fuck that you are even though you know it and everyone is going to know you're too happy.

the first time isn't always the best, my first time was mediocre at best, first few times actually. finally at one point I understood how to "feel" the high the right way if that makes sense, because it can be underwhelming if you're used to psychedelic drugs.

 

[BlueBull]

ive rolled alone a handful of times and it was great everytime, people that say its a waste don't really have a good appreciation of mdma and need clubs and crowds to distract them from the real magic happening inside themselves

I'm sorry but this is just not true. I have immense appreciation and respect for the substance but I do think a solo roll is a waste. Even more so because it's the OP's first time, that would be a big waste. I could turn this around and say you do not really seem to appreciate the substance because you do not view the empathogenic properties of primary importance, while they're clearly a primary part of the experience, but I won't because anyone can have any reason to use any substance in any way as far as I'm concerned.

I just think that a solo roll is a waste not because it isn't fun, but because when compared to what MDMA is really capable of, it pales and it becomes a waste of a roll, of which you can only have a few each year. It misses a crucial part of the experience and that's really noticeable once you have experienced the full effects. And by the way I enjoy rolls with friends at home just as much, or more even, than rolls at raves so it isn't that I need diversions from what's going on within me like you say...

 

[mylifeislike]

I've already decided to not do it in the setting I initially proposed. I am just gathering information atm.
I'm not rich on friends unfortunately, and even less on friends that are pro-drug.
Since I'm very withdrawn and closed as a person, and prefer keeping things to myself, finding new friends is harder for me.

If you read the amp thread I am very sure you know what the deal is. I'm not trying to be a dick myself.
I'm gonna avoid doing it alone, and I'm taking all advice seriously.

 

[InterestingFACT]

I've already decided to not do it in the setting I initially proposed. I am just gathering information atm.
I'm not rich on friends unfortunately, and even less on friends that are pro-drug.
Since I'm very withdrawn and closed as a person, and prefer keeping things to myself, finding new friends is harder for me.

If you read the amp thread I am very sure you know what the deal is. I'm not trying to be a dick myself.
I'm gonna avoid doing it alone, and I'm taking all advice seriously.

I understand your attitude. Sometimes I feel rather bereft of friends who accept me. (But other times I feel like I have plenty)

However, to be honest, given your social situation, it sounds like Molly might not be the ideal drug for you. I'm not saying that you won't get anything worthwhile out of experimentation with it, but why are you so interested in it? Seems like, for someone who can't share their experience, some other classes of drugs might be more interesting.

 

[Deleted member 290563]

I'm sorry but this is just not true. I have immense appreciation and respect for the substance but I do think a solo roll is a waste. Even more so because it's the OP's first time, that would be a big waste. I could turn this around and say you do not really seem to appreciate the substance because you do not view the empathogenic properties of primary importance, while they're clearly a primary part of the experience, but I won't because anyone can have any reason to use any substance in any way as far as I'm concerned.

I just think that a solo roll is a waste not because it isn't fun, but because when compared to what MDMA is really capable of, it pales and it becomes a waste of a roll, of which you can only have a few each year. It misses a crucial part of the experience and that's really noticeable once you have experienced the full effects. And by the way I enjoy rolls with friends at home just as much, or more even, than rolls at raves so it isn't that I need diversions from what's going on within me like you say...

I admit that you miss out on the ability to maybe really connect with friends when rolling alone. Just because you don't get to do that one thing while alone doesn't mean that there are not other aspects to rolling that can be appreciated alone. Its definitely not a waste to do it alone. Its very peaceful and very relaxing. A great way to just truly relax.

I don't have a good excuse to roll very often (party, concert etc)....so I find sometimes that a few months have gone by and I have nothing in the near future worth "saving" my roll for. So I just pick a night at home, get some good tunes loaded up. and relax listening to my favorite music....maybe go for a walk at night.

 

[BlueBull]

I see. Yeah I can actually understand why you would then roll alone. I can imagine if a long time goes by without some worthy occasion and I didn't have a mate to roll with at home or something, I would perhaps indeed try another solo roll.

Thing is even when there's no good rave, concert or festival in the foreseeable future I always found one or more of my mates willing to do a quiet campfire roll or an at-home one or something like that, which are in their own right also absolutely amazing. So I've never had to choose to roll solo because there was no other way, though I've tried it a few times just to see what it was like. But yeah I can understand that. And perhaps then it would seem like less of a wasted roll too, because the alternative would be not to experience that roll at all. I wonder if I would then still long for human contact, if I knew I wasn't going to find any... Hmmmm good point, didn't consider that