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MDMA (?) - Fairly experienced - Lost the magic already??

CandiK

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This is my first trip report, so I apologize for any faux-pas I may commit. But I wanted to post this because it was a sort of disappointing experience for me and I wanted to know if other people had had similar experiences, or could perhaps provide some sort of explanation.
*2 purple smileys each
*Ingested
*No test
*I've rolled maybe 10 times in the past two years.
I bought 4 purple smiley pills from a new source who is a friend of a friend--not totally unknown. Paid $20 a pill.
I should begin by saying that until this trip, my roommate was hands-down my favorite rolling partner. We've rolled together a few times in the past and usually had a fantastic time. We usually prefer to roll alone at home, as it usually knocks us on our asses and we can roll around on the bed moaning with wild abandon, which you can't really get away with at a club. ;)
I should also add that I am clinically depressed, so I tend to have weird reactions to drugs and they are not always pleasant.
So, as a Christmas present/birthday present for my roommate, I purchased 4 pills, 2 for each of us. We were really looking forward to rolling, since it had been over six months since my last roll, and several months since her last. Before we took the pills I was feeling really fantastic and optimistic and ready to have a good time.
My roommate had to be to the doctor the next morning, so we took the first pills at 7 pm. We both felt that we "felt something" almsot immediately, although it could have been a sort of placebo effect.
Within 30 minutes she was feeling fairly disoriented and was ready for her come up. I was feeling slightly disoriented as well, but I didn't come up for 30 more minutes.
At about 45 minutes my roommate was having a great time, lying back on the bed with her eyes closed and moaning. Meanwhile, I was still going through a rather strange, prolonged come-up. I always have rough comeups on E, but this one was strange because it lasted quite a long time. During this time, I became really annoyed at any noise and light. First we had to turn off the TV. Then it was too bright, so lights went off and lava lamp went on. Then that was too dark, so we had to turn on a black light as well. I was just feeling very irritable, and I'm sure it was annoying my roomie, who seemed to be havnig a pretty good time.
After "peaking," my roommate went straight into talkative phase, which was unusual, because when we drop we usually have an hour of what we call "orgasmic phase" before the talkative phase sets in. But she went straight to talkative, while I was only beginning to come up.
Since I was still only coming up (it took me a good hour to come up, whereas it only took her 45 minutes max) and she was yammering away, I became extremely annoyed. Partially because I can't take noise when I'm coming up, and partially because she was telling me the same stupid story she always tells me when we do E together. It was great the first time, but now it's just really annoying. It's the same stupid story about some asshole ex-boyfriend of hers that treated her like shit, and she always insists on telling it to me when we roll, even though she's told me a hundred times before.
At this point I became rather annoyed, and I felt like she was killing my high. I think I finally managed to either block her out or shut her up, and that was a good thing. I can't describe her experience too much, but it did seem like she was having a much better time than I was.
A couple hours passed--not sure about how they broke down, but it was a weird high. I was pretty much unable to talk for those two hours. Every once in a while I could smile and blurt somethign out, but mostly I could only grunt, while I laid down with my eyes closed.
There wasn't much jaw clenching or chewing up of my mouth. None of the real signs that I was rolling, it was just sort of boring and I was longing to be sober again so I could never do E again.
Anyway, the hours that passed were a blur, and at 11 pm we decided to drop our second pills. (I figured I might as well do mine and get it over with, since I was planning on swearing off E after that night--sad, right?)
So we dropped the second pills, and again she came up slightly faster than me. The fact that she was coming up so much faster than me was strange to me, because we were taking identical pills, and we had both eaten at the same time earlier that day, even the same meal. In fact, she had eaten more than me, which made me think I should have come up faster since I had less food in my stomach.
I felt much better with this pill and was very glad I took it. Finally I got the real nice rush that I love about E and the come-up wasn't bad at all. But the rush didn't last long at all and I never felt very talkative, and for some reason the only thing I wanted to talk about was death, which was really strange.
So within an hour I was feeling depressingly sober, and my roommate was acting really strange and I was worried about her. She was just lying completely still with her eyes closed, and I had to keep checking to make sure she was breathing, because she never acts like this. This may have also killed my roll, as it's never fun to have to worry that your friend is going to die.
So eventually she got up and made for the bathroom and puked.
The come down was much quicker than normal. All the phases seemed to pass very quickly and drastically. Went from peaking for maybe 10 minutes, to sort of pleasantly rolling for 30 minutes, to just sort of rolling for 30 more minutes, to feeling suddenly like I'd been dropped off back in sober-land. Blech.
I'm guessing these pills were weak. The upside to this was that the crash was not half as harsh as it usually is. Usually, after I've really come down I seriuosly feel like Death. But this time I just felt tired and sleepy and was able to fall asleep by maybe 4 am.
We both agreed that we felt much better than usual the next day, and I'd have to say that was the best part about these pills. No torn up mouth, no hangover feeling, just a nice "after glow."
I also wanted to add that throughout the experience I was almost constantly feeling ridiculously chilly, even though my roommate was comfortable. Throughout the night I couldn't seem to get warm at all, which is pretty strange for E. It was a really horrible feeling, like I was thinly dressed outside and a cold wind was blowing, even though I was warmly dressed and under the blankets. :\
Also, when I'm having a not-so-good trip (this has happened before), I get this unpleasant feeling in my head, which was what I had for most of the first pill. I feel like the roots of my hair are burning and my whole head had this weird feeling like my brain is frying or something. But strangely, when I roll properly (i.e. higher dose) I don't have this sensation and just feel great. That doesn't seem to make sense, since you'd think my brain would feel more fried on higher doses.
So the point of this post is for me to ask some questions.
Why did I take so much longer to come up than her, and why was my first come up so very harrowing? It took me a good 30 minutes more than her.
Why were these pills so disappointing? Were they just weak? Have I already "lost the magic?" (I've rolled maybe 10 times in the past 2 years, so if I've already lost the magic, that's really sad.) Or perhaps were there other chemicals in the mix with these pills to supplement a weak dose of MDMA? The pills were strange for both of us, not typical at all.
I think I'm not going to do E anymore. It's too hard to find a good pill in these parts and I'm sick of getting ripped off and being disappointed. And unless it was just that these were weak pills, it doesn't even seem worth it to me.
And should I not roll with my roomie anymore? She seriously annoyed me, and it's kind of sad because she used to be my favorite rolling partner. But I cannot take her telling me that dumb story one more time, and I feel that she constantly kills my roll.
Or maybe it was the environment. I seem to have a weird reaction with E, and ideally I like to roll in a room with no music or noise. I can't take a lot of noise, so maybe being subjected to the noise of her room (because naturally she, being a normal E-person, needed music and such) is part of what killed my roll.
Alright, feedback is much appreciated, because I am feeling rather depressed and disillusioned about E, and would love to know that there is some hope.
Thanks,
--C
 
Well, the brain needs a a while between trips to build up the endorphine storage which is released in a hurry during E trips. so if you have been tripping often lately then it might be you rather than the pills.
On the other hand I know people that has lost the magic of E after doing it 5-6 times, it just goes to show that everyone reacts differently.
Lastly it cna of course be the pills like you say, that is hard to tell without a good test and trying some really good stuff to compare with.
 
Originally posted by ChronicSceptic:
Well, the brain needs a a while between trips to build up the endorphine storage which is released in a hurry during E trips.
You must be mistaken. MDMA does not affect opiate receptors, nor does it facilitate the release of endorphines (internal opiates).
 
Hi CandiK, thanks for sharing this report. As for the questions i'll give you my opinions:
*2 purple smileys each
*Ingested
*No test
*I've rolled maybe 10 times in the past two years.
First off, test your pills! It goes without saying, even if you are in a situation where the deals may be dodgy/you have a chance of being ripped off. If you can't consistantly get good quality MDMA, then you may have to find another drug to use.
I should also add that I am clinically depressed, so I tend to have weird reactions to drugs and they are not always pleasant.
I'm giving a personal opinion here, but I'd not reccomend taking MDMA if you've been shown to be clinically depressed. I've never suffered serious amounts of depression before, but the comedowns must be hell. You even say yourself:
Usually, after I've really come down I seriuosly feel like Death
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And should I not roll with my roomie anymore? She seriously annoyed me, and it's kind of sad because she used to be my favorite rolling partner. But I cannot take her telling me that dumb story one more time, and I feel that she constantly kills my roll.
Why don't you just tell her you've heard the story before? It's not like it's a matter of life or death. Simply kindly explain to here that she's told you before, and you know the story already...
Have fun, Take Care.
:)
 
You mentioned that you were clinically depressed. Are you on any medication? If so, what? SSRI's can decrease the effects of many drugs, MDMA included.
 
This is the over-anticipation and time to change setting thingie. I've experienced this with my best friend and with my boyfriend.
You over-expect to have a good time, and you're wandering around waiting for the super good time to hit in... and nothing happens or you get a sort of halfway there comeup.
What's worked for me every time is to totally change mood and setting: eg. last time took e, me and boyfriend had waited ages to finally have a private night together. After 2 hours we were both just edgy and weird. Went up to visit straight friends playing blues and very drunk. Within 10 minutes we both had to run away and collapse and rush and had excellent night together.
Same thing with best friend: in a club, waited 2+ hours, nothing happened, get in the car to go, whazoooooooom, stuck in car for 4 hours raging.
Also: the irritation factor. My boyfriend gets super irritated on his come up - we've worked out the best thing is to just do our own thing until we're rolling 100% and then say "hey hallo..."
Don't give up on your e buddy so easily... (my bf tells me the same effing stories every time - and we've rolled together for 5 years!!)
 
Thanks for the feedback everybody. I feel better now. :)
I think when I roll I don't think enough about myself. For instance, as I said, I can't stand music when I'm rolling, so I think in the future if the music is bothering me I'll just go into my own room to enjoy the quiet. It's possible that it is killing my roll because I used to have a great time rolling when I didn't listen to music. So from now on I'll just try to do what feels good to me, instead of thinking too much about what feels good to my roommate.
fict: I'm not taking any medication for my depression or any other drugs, so that isn't what's killing my roll. :(
schmangle: Thanks for your story. It makes me feel so much better to know that I'm not the only one who gets really irritable when I'm coming up because it always makes me feel guilty. I've thought about going into my own room when I'm coming up so I don't get so frustrated. It's the worst when you're with someone who is rolling their ass off, and your'e sitting there thinking, "Dammit! Why hasn't my pill kicked in yet??" So in the future I think I'll just go into my room until I'm "up" so I don't become overcome with intense feelings of jealousy watching my roommate moaning and such.
I think the key is for me to think more for myself, instead of only worrying about whether my roomie is having a good time. It's self-sabotauge, I guess.
Glad to know there are still good times to be had on E.
And I will be investing in a testing kit if I roll again. :)
--C
 
My opinion is that you got pills that were weaker than your roomies, even though they were from the same batch. They were definitely both weaker than usual. But maybe you just got screwed and picked the one with less MDMA in it. :P
I've heard of manufacturers making the same pressed pill with same logo & color but messing with the dosage on ea. pill. This is just a theory, so there may not be any truth to it. But I will say that I've had many experiences on E that might give it some credibility.
Times when a friend and I have eaten the same things during the day and dropped E at the same time...when usually we would feel it at the same time, I would either peak far faster or far slower than my friend.
The dosages on pills are def. not always consistent even when they look the same and are bought from the same person.
I suggest getting a tester kit like somebody else. It's essential IMO.
If you're clinically depressed, try getting on medication. I would think that the comedowns would be 100x worse if you're depressed. No fun!
I've had sort of a similar experience to yours. My x and I did E many times while we were togheter...we had taken about a 6 month break and decided to try it again. Our experiences were usually very pleasant. We'd come up together and usually be high the same amount of time.
However, the last time we did it wasn't as plesant. We had both plugged the pills. Something I had only tried twice before, once in capsule form the other in pressed form.
Apparently, when we did it, I either didn't push the pill up far enough (I know, GRoss visual...sorry lol) or there were..ehh ummm..things up there that didn't allow for the pill to dissolve.
30 minutes into it, he started rolling very hard, lying on the bed in ecstasy while I'm sitting on the edge of the bed, acting outwardly annoyed that my pill wasn't kicking in. On top of the fact that my bottom was on fire didn't add to the comfort factor.
An hour passed when my x started peaking very hard, at the same time I started feeling anxious and annoyed at any little disturbance in my surroundings. The music was annoying me, he was annoying me with his jabbering, and I just couldn't understand why he was high and I wasn't.
It felt like I was coming up for about the first hour hour, feeling like it might hit at any time...but feeling anxious and annoyed as well.
I just wanted to feel what he was feeling, and the anticipation was strong. I felt like we were on two different planets, his being the one that I would never reach.
It never hit. After 2.5 hours I just gave up and went to sleep, much to the disappointment of my boyfriend. I'm sure I was not the most pleasant person to be around though because I was bitching the whole time..
I would check my eyes in the mirror every half hour, and they weren't dilated at all.
The weirdest thing happened when I fell asleep. I awoke 4 hours later to feelings of giddiness and warmth all over my body like I was rolling. I went to the bathroom and my pupils were dilated like crazy. For the next 15-30 minutes I felt the after effects of the roll.
I'm guessing that I mildly rolled in my sleep and it woke me up...
Since then I haven't done E. That experience cemented the thought in my head that it's not worth it for me in the long-run anymore to do it... I've honestly gotten as much as I can from E, which is a good thing. :)
 
bad mdma trips, i've found, are ALWAYS shit compared to clubbing.
I take e at home more than i do at clubs. And always thought i lost the magic.
Then when i go back clubbing, the trips are amazing.
I think its not so much as the magic going, its how you think. As i don't go clubbing a lot, i get this amazing energy. If you get bored of going clubbing, then its gonna be boring taking a pill.
Just as if your bored at home and havn't got much to do, your trip is gonna be shit
 
MDMA follows the rules of a psychedelic.. mindset and setting. It is all about the people and attitudes around you.. Doing it around pissed people for example, is going to be akward.

It is also wasy to push yourself out of the uplifting mindframe on pills too, this can leave you to go introspective, or just feel totally sober. In many ways it's a subtle drug... Give MDMA another break,. teast your pills.. Have a good clean dose of MDMA when you feel you are ready, and see if it has lsot the magic for you.
 
Sounds not too far off from a normal experience with sub-par pills. If you can get your hands on mdma powder I bet you'd find the magic is far from gone. I think 5 times a year isn't enough to build much of a tolerance.
 
I noticed being really cold inside a club recently after taking two pills. Its like just about all of them, you have to take 2-3 for a full dose, that is if it is just MDMA. Yeah it was a weak effect sorta, "ok", but not like the rare "decent dose" pills. I remember feeling more on the warm side before, this time I felt cold, or especially after the small little peak..i'd still be rolling somewhat, but did feel cold.
 
daveske69 said:
can i ask how do u test ur PILL?

Sorry, missed this question before!

You buy a cheap device called a Pill Tester.. it costs maybe a bit more than the average pill price and it tells you what your pill contains before eating it. It costs fuck all especially since it could save your life.. More and more non-MDMA pills are spreading around.. and making "Ecstacy" pills a danger. ALways etst your pills.. and guess what, if you're a Bluelighter.. you get it for like half the pricer with FREE WORLD-WIDE SHIPPING!@

http://www.bluelight.ru/eztest/
 
It makes me feel so much better to know that I'm not the only one who gets really irritable when I'm coming up because it always makes me feel guilty.

As someone here already said, everyone reacts differently to drugs. I almost always have panic attacks of varying severity when coming up. My girlfriend (with whom I always roll) "waits" for me, since for some reason she always comes up much faster. I think it has to do with a lot of things... your metabolism, the contents of your stomach, etc. You shouldn't feel guilty about it, and the person you're rolling with should understand.
 
ur frend fucked it up for you

Why were these pills so disappointing? Were they just weak? Have I already "lost the magic?"

NO, its just the wrong environment with ur frend requiring such attention that made ur roll suck. If u were at a club, she would have behaved differently and the magic would/is still there.
 
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