mdma - experienced - (detailed pre-dose/post-dose)
*"I" in the following report refers to this really cool guy I met on the beach in miami who told me all this shit. He assured me that he's just a well read layman rather than anyone who knows about any of this shit so I guess he wanted to see what other people thought of his technique. He's male and about 200 pounds.*
Ladies and guys who are romantics, scroll down past this dumb pseudo-science, there's a love story waiting at the end for you.
Two things before I begin:
1. I never previously read reports about "E" because I was like: "What can I learn? It's all be done before."
2. I am on the tail end of the comedown as I write so take this report with a grain of salt. That being said, I rarely do trip reports so I wanted to get this typed before I could sleep, wake up, and rationlize it away.
Prep:
With as much humility as I can say this, I'm probably the textbook candidate on how to do "E" -- stop laughing. I was introduced to it later in life (25+) and since then I always wait at least a month between dosing. Done it about 30 times now. Work out my age
Full pre-dosing and post-dosing (even using prozac!) I can't distinguish between my first time and my last time -- they all are great. I don't intend to lose any magic let alone the "first time" feeling any time soon. I include this to affirm that yes, harm reduction works. I've never been e-tarded, either. I think the pre-dose helps this. I don't have a comedown the way I've ever seen it described. Come down is peaceful and awesome for me. A wonderful sweet ending note. Tired? Yes. A little anti-social? Sure. Crazy pyscho personality? Hell no. Non-functional? Hell-fucking-no. I'll go out the second night, sober and enjoying the last sweet tingles of the come down.
(Pre-dose -- expensive yes, but christ it's your brain? Put that money you wanted to spend on the lord of the rings dvd here)
Forgive spelling mistakes. This is simply my own pre-dose, I'm not saying its the best but it's worked. This is also my "rush" pre-dose, when I am going to for a bit more of am amphetamine kick versus sitting and chilling. Edit to taste.
(week runup)
5htp to top the tanks off. I do not dose regularly (daily) like some do here with 5-htp but rather l-tryptophan. I can't point you to a source but I read somewhere that this is healthier for long term dosing. Sorry I can't say more.
(morning of)
500mg dlpa
500mg tyrosine
1g chelated magnesium (search for chelated! sounds like "key-lated" -- 70% bio avail compare this to 30% for not-chelated.
+extra vitamin C and take a fishoil capsule. All of this in addition to a GOOD (not one a day) vitamin regime.
* Do NOT take 5-htp. I uses up decidedly finite MDMA receptors so to speak. This is why things are "less intense" to 5-htp worshipers who drop it like it's candy. I tried it anyway and it only took one time to see what the hell they were all talking about. It was like diet-E. Yech.
(3-hours prior)
500mg dlpa
500mg tyorsine
750mg alpha-lipoic acid
Zinc tab under the tongue (I swear to god, I used to get colds going to fantastic parties since I was taught this trick I haven't! These are little tiny zinc triangles and they taste nasty as hell but you have to keep them under your tongue -- I'm sure someone could use coldeeze or whatever here. But I like my immune system pimpin on the way out the door even if it's just psychological effect.)
1g chelated magnesium (some say much less (like 250mg), but this is the dose at which I stop being a jaw clencher and the yumminess of the experience feels affected by the magnesium (as in if I leave it out I can tell).
(on your way to wherever your are doing your thang)
I stole two lessons from the meth guys -- remember what the MA stands for -- on this one. First is a basified stomach uptakes amphetamine easier. That means rolaids!
Second I take 50mg dxm. This is the cheapest/easiest to come by agonizer of those receptors that build tolerance to amphetamines. Plus I hear it has other uses. There are other postings on this board from guys who say they haven't developed tolerance. I'm not really sure what tolerance to meth would do to an MDMA experience but I'd rather not find out. I didn't notice anything at this level that felt hallucingenic by the way.
(taking pills)
Know your half lifes! A second pill is putting a LOT more than you think in your blood stream. The moment I feel like I've hit the place I want to be I switch to half pills or dosages or sometimes even quarter. See a good manual like "a primer of drug action" if you want to learn about half lives. But basically, that second pill isn't keeping your blood level constant it's raising it considerably. I've found with low dosing my bumps I can have a wonderfully long experience comparable to the length of MDA (nice and long).
(last pill/chunk of a pill)
I pop a prozac. Fluxotine (or however you spell that). Who the hell knows if this is worth it. If you have the money and the resources do it for christ sake. If you don't, then just don't crack out. I spent like 2 weeks reading as much as I could about neurotoxicity and the theory I buy had something to do with the fact that when you run out of serotonin you have dopamine trying to squeeze into those receptors. Okay whatever. What this means to me is I try and never run my serotonin tank dry. Did that last bump feel like a purely "meth amphetamine" bump? You're out of serotonin -- pack it in for the night. Don't do more for god's sake. And resist the temptation to do it all again tomorrow. Keep that magic alive baby.
(home and to bed)
200mg 5htp (repeat for the next 2 days but split the dosage times to allow a higher level in the blood -- why not? You've gone to all this effort already).
If I feel like I really ran myself dry I'll repeat some of the items in my pre-dose. I wasn't a magnesium believer at first but the chelated stuff is really cool I must not have been getting enough in my diet previously because a nutrionist told me all it was good for is turning my pee yellow.
Anyway. That's it for that bit. I thought this might be my contribution to the trip reports section
As promised, a brief recap of the actual trip:
Swim went completely solo to a party vaguely thinking one of his flakey friends might show up. Was feeling a little anti-social, thought he'd hang out a bit then go home and just chill and think and write up things.
Then... HELLO. Beautiful girl who was swim's textbook type and she's there dancing so light on her feet. Fantastic. Cutest little pants made her butt bob up and down like a peach.
Turns out they are both pretty damn introverted and there wouldn't have been a chance in hell that they would have connected if Swim wasn't willing to draw upon those wonderful MDMA powers of "wow I can have a conversation with someone that I don't really know". Swim is a pretty well composed individual so he's not even certain that cutie knew he had taken something. She hadn't taken anything herself, but stuck with the conversation like a trooper. Kick ass. Hours after sunrise, cute little good bye and a promise of a next time.
Now swim is willing himself not to be stupid and be too eager and hold off on calling her until he's had a full day to recover. He already knows he'll do something slightly romantic though. Maybe some music and a pick-i-nick on the warm miami beach.
Swim will try and update this thread with something concrete romance-wise. But rest assured he newly appreciates the interaction between romance and brain chemistry.
And so to sleep now. Hope this is helpful for someone. If anyone wants to pick apart the pre/post-dosing thing that would be cool. But be nice, this is just an average guy learning from teachers that have gone before him.
*"I" in the following report refers to this really cool guy I met on the beach in miami who told me all this shit. He assured me that he's just a well read layman rather than anyone who knows about any of this shit so I guess he wanted to see what other people thought of his technique. He's male and about 200 pounds.*
Ladies and guys who are romantics, scroll down past this dumb pseudo-science, there's a love story waiting at the end for you.
Two things before I begin:
1. I never previously read reports about "E" because I was like: "What can I learn? It's all be done before."
2. I am on the tail end of the comedown as I write so take this report with a grain of salt. That being said, I rarely do trip reports so I wanted to get this typed before I could sleep, wake up, and rationlize it away.
Prep:
With as much humility as I can say this, I'm probably the textbook candidate on how to do "E" -- stop laughing. I was introduced to it later in life (25+) and since then I always wait at least a month between dosing. Done it about 30 times now. Work out my age
Full pre-dosing and post-dosing (even using prozac!) I can't distinguish between my first time and my last time -- they all are great. I don't intend to lose any magic let alone the "first time" feeling any time soon. I include this to affirm that yes, harm reduction works. I've never been e-tarded, either. I think the pre-dose helps this. I don't have a comedown the way I've ever seen it described. Come down is peaceful and awesome for me. A wonderful sweet ending note. Tired? Yes. A little anti-social? Sure. Crazy pyscho personality? Hell no. Non-functional? Hell-fucking-no. I'll go out the second night, sober and enjoying the last sweet tingles of the come down. (Pre-dose -- expensive yes, but christ it's your brain? Put that money you wanted to spend on the lord of the rings dvd here)
Forgive spelling mistakes. This is simply my own pre-dose, I'm not saying its the best but it's worked. This is also my "rush" pre-dose, when I am going to for a bit more of am amphetamine kick versus sitting and chilling. Edit to taste.
(week runup)
5htp to top the tanks off. I do not dose regularly (daily) like some do here with 5-htp but rather l-tryptophan. I can't point you to a source but I read somewhere that this is healthier for long term dosing. Sorry I can't say more.
(morning of)
500mg dlpa
500mg tyrosine
1g chelated magnesium (search for chelated! sounds like "key-lated" -- 70% bio avail compare this to 30% for not-chelated.
+extra vitamin C and take a fishoil capsule. All of this in addition to a GOOD (not one a day) vitamin regime.
* Do NOT take 5-htp. I uses up decidedly finite MDMA receptors so to speak. This is why things are "less intense" to 5-htp worshipers who drop it like it's candy. I tried it anyway and it only took one time to see what the hell they were all talking about. It was like diet-E. Yech.
(3-hours prior)
500mg dlpa
500mg tyorsine
750mg alpha-lipoic acid
Zinc tab under the tongue (I swear to god, I used to get colds going to fantastic parties since I was taught this trick I haven't! These are little tiny zinc triangles and they taste nasty as hell but you have to keep them under your tongue -- I'm sure someone could use coldeeze or whatever here. But I like my immune system pimpin on the way out the door even if it's just psychological effect.)
1g chelated magnesium (some say much less (like 250mg), but this is the dose at which I stop being a jaw clencher and the yumminess of the experience feels affected by the magnesium (as in if I leave it out I can tell).
(on your way to wherever your are doing your thang)
I stole two lessons from the meth guys -- remember what the MA stands for -- on this one. First is a basified stomach uptakes amphetamine easier. That means rolaids!
Second I take 50mg dxm. This is the cheapest/easiest to come by agonizer of those receptors that build tolerance to amphetamines. Plus I hear it has other uses. There are other postings on this board from guys who say they haven't developed tolerance. I'm not really sure what tolerance to meth would do to an MDMA experience but I'd rather not find out. I didn't notice anything at this level that felt hallucingenic by the way.
(taking pills)
Know your half lifes! A second pill is putting a LOT more than you think in your blood stream. The moment I feel like I've hit the place I want to be I switch to half pills or dosages or sometimes even quarter. See a good manual like "a primer of drug action" if you want to learn about half lives. But basically, that second pill isn't keeping your blood level constant it's raising it considerably. I've found with low dosing my bumps I can have a wonderfully long experience comparable to the length of MDA (nice and long).
(last pill/chunk of a pill)
I pop a prozac. Fluxotine (or however you spell that). Who the hell knows if this is worth it. If you have the money and the resources do it for christ sake. If you don't, then just don't crack out. I spent like 2 weeks reading as much as I could about neurotoxicity and the theory I buy had something to do with the fact that when you run out of serotonin you have dopamine trying to squeeze into those receptors. Okay whatever. What this means to me is I try and never run my serotonin tank dry. Did that last bump feel like a purely "meth amphetamine" bump? You're out of serotonin -- pack it in for the night. Don't do more for god's sake. And resist the temptation to do it all again tomorrow. Keep that magic alive baby.
(home and to bed)
200mg 5htp (repeat for the next 2 days but split the dosage times to allow a higher level in the blood -- why not? You've gone to all this effort already).
If I feel like I really ran myself dry I'll repeat some of the items in my pre-dose. I wasn't a magnesium believer at first but the chelated stuff is really cool
I must not have been getting enough in my diet previously because a nutrionist told me all it was good for is turning my pee yellow. Anyway. That's it for that bit. I thought this might be my contribution to the trip reports section
As promised, a brief recap of the actual trip:
Swim went completely solo to a party vaguely thinking one of his flakey friends might show up. Was feeling a little anti-social, thought he'd hang out a bit then go home and just chill and think and write up things.
Then... HELLO. Beautiful girl who was swim's textbook type and she's there dancing so light on her feet. Fantastic. Cutest little pants made her butt bob up and down like a peach.
Turns out they are both pretty damn introverted and there wouldn't have been a chance in hell that they would have connected if Swim wasn't willing to draw upon those wonderful MDMA powers of "wow I can have a conversation with someone that I don't really know". Swim is a pretty well composed individual so he's not even certain that cutie knew he had taken something. She hadn't taken anything herself, but stuck with the conversation like a trooper. Kick ass. Hours after sunrise, cute little good bye and a promise of a next time.
Now swim is willing himself not to be stupid and be too eager and hold off on calling her until he's had a full day to recover. He already knows he'll do something slightly romantic though. Maybe some music and a pick-i-nick on the warm miami beach.
Swim will try and update this thread with something concrete romance-wise. But rest assured he newly appreciates the interaction between romance and brain chemistry.
And so to sleep now. Hope this is helpful for someone. If anyone wants to pick apart the pre/post-dosing thing that would be cool. But be nice, this is just an average guy learning from teachers that have gone before him.
And good luck with the girl.
