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MDMA Caps/powder

Didnt say that crystallization was a synthesis :p
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Well what we're you referring to here then?

Its goin to much towards synthesis.
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I just read the whole thread again and I can't seem to find any talk of synthesis. In fact it's all about purity of the end product, other than perhaps my comment on page 2 referring to distilling the freebase - which of course is also not a synthesis.

It seems there's quite a lot of debate on what constitutes a pure product. The bottom line is, a slower crystallisation is more selective so can purify a product.


However, tricks can be played employing a cut and certain mixtures of solvents, coupled with things like controlling temp, vacuum etc.

But don't forget, when talking about meth or mdma, or for that matter, phenethylamines in general, that these are amines, able to be formed into salts. That usually presents a considerable advantage when talking about purification, as generally speaking, they are easily purified by changing the form and thus the solubility. This is done through Acid /Base recrystallisations (although a fine crystal powder might be the end product). This works because impurities will likely not have a similar solubility in both polar and non-polar solvents.

The amine salt is made to be insoluble in polar solvents (e.g water, organic acids etc) by treating with a alkali (usually to ~pH10). The water soluble impurities are then washed out with water or a similar polar solvent. Following that, the fb is again protonated (e.g. with HCl) to again form a salt, which is insoluble in non-polar solvents such as hexane or petroleum ether. So washing with these solvents will remove impurities that are soluble in non-polar solvents, leaving behind the amine salt. With a simple amine like meth or mdma, repeating the process a few times would produce a very pure product, although some product is always lost.

All this stuff is pretty standard 1st or 2nd year organic chem and can be found in most good textbooks.


....is powdered mdma just small crystals or is it a completely different end product?
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Yes, it's small crystals
 
Often you can see little white or brown crystal chunks in beans when you break them down/peer closely enough....

I've heard of pink crystals in the past, too. The ones I've seen have only ever been off-white.

Ahhh well... those were the days =D
 
Sustanon said:
Powder can be crushed crystals. During a synth process if one re crystallizes the end result substance then it will most likely sure be pure. Powder on the other hand can have impurities, crystals dont have any.
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That is so incorrect its not funny, crystals can be just as impure as powder.
 
Tripman said:
Down in Tassie some dealers have a habit of crushing dud pills after word is out about them being duds and putting them in capsules. Be wary of any capsules I say, especially if they are any colour but a lighter yellow/beige/white. The one time I managed to actually get MDMA crystals or "molly" was straight from the cook.
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that's an old trick and i'm sad to hear it's going on down there tripman

To add to that

A good dose of MDMA (between 100 and 150mg) will fill a '00' cap between 1/3 and 1/2

If it's full, it's cut or it's not MDMA
 
MrIbis said:
That is so incorrect its not funny, crystals can be just as impure as powder.
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Need to do ur homework mate. Synthing for example meth without re crystallizing it will result in another color other than see thru crystals ranging from brown to off white. What do u think "base"is ? We are talking about MDMA and Ice at the moment.
 
Need to do ur homework mate. Synthing for example meth without re crystallizing it will result in another color other than see thru crystals ranging from brown to off white. What do u think "base"is ? We are talking about MDMA and Ice at the moment.
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No, that's not necessarily correct for the umpteenth time. Various methods of synthesising meth or MDMA may or may not benefit from growing macro sized crystals. It's all about care taken during a synthesis - again, basic chemistry + common sense - and greed.

It would be too much synth talk to give detailed specifics of how this is accomplished in each case, but rest assured, nearly all routes to these drugs can be performed in a manner which avoids the need for producing large crystals, yet still end up with a 98%+ pure product. Chemistry students do this frequently during their courses, although not with scheduled compounds of course. The products of these experiments are sometimes analysed and students marked on their ability to achieve a pure product. Yes, larger crystals are sometimes made as there are many aspects of chemistry which deal with crystal formation and the theory behind it. X-ray crystallography is also used to determine structure.

The important point here is that many re-crystallisation methods don't produce large crystals, but rather fine crystals - or powder when dry. Read what I wrote about amines and how they are most easily purified.
 
bingo; it's also a common assumption because a substance isn't "shards" it's not crystaline and thus is a powder - but if you take those small specks of powder under a microscope you'll see they are most definiately tiny shards.

It's because of these idiotic misconceptions that people are willing to pay more for something they 'think' instead of something they 'know'. fact over fiction. Seriously - bluelight has become a well of misinformation, example would be the stupid meth "ketone vs pseudo" argument, which im sure this post will again incite - legs vs rush bullshit argument. The truth is if you had both of them next to eachother, in a moderate dose, and both pure (meth created from both synthesis methods), whilst the 'keytone' meth will be racemic and the 'pseudo' meth would not be - you'd be hard pressed to notice a distinct difference. In saying that, most meth is cut to the absolute shithouse - and you wouldn't be able to tell one from the other at any point, and are probably judging the cut more than the knowledge of the isomers you're ingesting.

The same could be said for powders and crystaline substances. The fact that anyone can recrystalize meth with umpteen different cutting agents is fact to this argument aswell. we need to dispell the hearsay bullshit, and focus on fact.
 
With meth id prefer crystals which are see through color opposed to off white/reddish brown powder crap. We all know it can be cut with MSM but theoretically im talkin bout pure stuff. Im just wondering how can one aqquire crystal meth as an end result if say its gakked? Its not going to crystallize into proper shards until you wash out all the impurities. U mite get a bit of powderish crystalish type stuff but it wont be as near pure.
 
MrIbis said:
would be the stupid meth "ketone vs pseudo" argument, which im sure this post will again incite - legs vs rush bullshit argument. The truth is if you had both of them next to eachother, in a moderate dose, and both pure (meth created from both synthesis methods), whilst the 'keytone' meth will be racemic and the 'pseudo' meth would not be - you'd be hard pressed to notice a distinct difference...
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is that coming from personal experience or just what you have been told?

sure, your average joe who uses meth every now and then wouldn't have a clue, however for people who have been around it for a long time it's very much distinguishable - fact! For me its the taste & melting characteristics rather than the effects that makes it distinguishable. Fair enough you don't have to agree but don't discredit yourself by slamming the possibility.
 
This is coming from personal experience. Why would i discredit myself - a real seasoned user would know the slight difference - but can you say you've had both synth methods in a near 99% purity? i highly doubt that. Unless you're cooking it yourself.

That is my point, most of the argument here is bullshit, i dont even wanna start this debate again coz im sick of it.
 
MrIbis - do you also call bullshit to all those ADHD diagnosed peeps who can "as plain as day" differentiate between medication containing mixed amphetamine salts (d/l) & dexamphetamine sulphate (d)?
 
There is a massive difference between racemic and dex. Absolutely massive.

It's the same with meth.
 
For this topic i've hijacked. I really don't want this discussion, i was just making an analogy about misinformation.

I well aware of the differences - but most people cant differentiate - i was just pointing out the similarity in the type of misinformation that people have no clue about.
 
^^

Its like asking what a vegemite sandwich tastes like and two people start comparing the differences between crunchy and smooth peanut butter.
 
Just curious about your area shoogz.

As i stated earlier some people crush dud pills into caps and sell them off. I remember someone trying to sell me some "Green Mickey Power Caps" a couple of months back. I ignored these on the basis that they were probably something like the green targets crushed and put in caps.

Not sure about the rest of it, i can't see how caps would become solid without the aid of a press machine...
 
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