MDMA - beat your tolerance, make your roll last up to x3 longer, minimise comedown

[ebola?]

haha cheers! I certainly don't want to suggest that the Vital Greens directly impacted the intensity of my roll, but all I can absolutely assure you of is that if my roll was mindblowing thanks to a placebo effect, the placebo had nothing whatsoever to do with the Vital Greens. I'd forgotten all about drinking it, and I certainly wouldn't be expecting it to intensify my roll as much as it did even if it was on my mind.

The placebo effect can also function via unconscious processes (in fact, it is present with all drug use).

There's a small chance it was to do with the contents of my cap though lol - found myself a single rock that weighed bang fucking on 200mg. I'm talking +/- 2mg. 200mg as I said is my ideal dose

I would expect that dosage to get you high as fuck--it's nearly double what's appropriate for most people.

ebola

 

[LuGoJ]

I can confirm that eating good quality 70% plus chocolate for a few days before my roll made me roll harder the times I tried it. This was using the same product, dosage with the same spacing and the same setting as times I tried without the chocolate.

Whether it was a placebo each time, I do not know.

 

[Yeetbeat]

The placebo effect can also function via unconscious processes (in fact, it is present with all drug use).



I would expect that dosage to get you high as fuck--it's nearly double what's appropriate for most people.

ebola

Intredasting re subconscious processes assisting/causing the placebo effect. Either way, whatever the hell is responsible here - I'm all for it

And yeah, 200mg has my mates near on floored lol.

 

[ksas]

I can confirm that eating good quality 70% plus chocolate for a few days before my roll made me roll harder the times I tried it. This was using the same product, dosage with the same spacing and the same setting as times I tried without the chocolate.

Whether it was a placebo each time, I do not know.

Just bought 200g of 85% dark chocolate and I'm planning to roll this weekend, I will report back on how it goes .

 

[JWills20]

MDMA is a set/setting drug very vulnerable to the placebo effect. Pretty sure I'm still on a placebo buzz about 5-6 hours into the experience, where the drug isn't really doing it instead I am. Using MDMA in the right setting vs. the wrong can make the difference between a magical night you'll never forget and a distinctly average experience.

 

[mark881]

Chocolate does not contain large amounts of tryptophan, and if it did, it would likely make little difference (it's dietarily common anyway). Nor does chocolate contain anything like an active dose of an MAOI. This is a testament to the power of the placebo effect, coupled with the mild stimulants, caffeine and theobromine.

ebola

Chocolate containing 85 percent cocoa has the most serotonin, with 2.9 micrograms per gram, and chocolate containing 70 to 85 percent cocoa has the most of the serotonin precursor L-tryptophan, with 13.3 micrograms per gram, according to a study published in "Journal of Chromatography A" in April 2012.

I tell ya right now, it works. 75g a day / 74% cocoa for 7 days, drop 100mg MDMA and don't redose for 5 hours. The duration was the best thing. The roll itself was better, but I avoided the usual redosing. On a roll without dark chocolate loading, I would be out of 'buzz' at 90 minutes, and stone cold sober but awake like I had a can of Coke at 2hours.

Rolling 3 times in a week...the 2nd and 3rd rolls being better? Doesn't make sense to me but I was loading hard on dark chocolate roll 2 + 3.

 

[JWills20]

Chocolate containing 85 percent cocoa has the most serotonin, with 2.9 micrograms per gram, and chocolate containing 70 to 85 percent cocoa has the most of the serotonin precursor L-tryptophan, with 13.3 micrograms per gram, according to a study published in "Journal of Chromatography A" in April 2012.

I tell ya right now, it works. 75g a day / 74% cocoa for 7 days, drop 100mg MDMA and don't redose for 5 hours. The duration was the best thing. The roll itself was better, but I avoided the usual redosing. On a roll without dark chocolate loading, I would be out of 'buzz' at 90 minutes, and stone cold sober but awake like I had a can of Coke at 2hours.

Rolling 3 times in a week...the 2nd and 3rd rolls being better? Doesn't make sense to me but I was loading hard on dark chocolate roll 2 + 3.

Pretty sure chocolate itself doesn't contain any serotonin... And even if it did it wouldn't make it to the brain, otherwise simple serotonin would be considered as an anti-depressant (in an attempt to increase brain serotonin). Also, just because something has a high tryptophan content doesn't mean it will get converted into extra serotonin. The body and the brain wants to maintain homeostasis, excess amounts of many dietary compounds often get excreted from the body. Reasons like this are why multi-vitamins are often pretty pointless: if you have a healthy, balanced diet - you get everything you need from the food so the multi-vitamin is pointless and shat out. A portion of tryptophan also undergoes a different metabolic pathway not involved in 5-HT synthesis, further decreasing the actual serotonin production. Ultimately, a few days of chocolate consumption is unlikely to realistically change much at all about the MDMA high. I used to be interested in the idea myself. Then I read around and realised that, like most things, and rather unfortunately, it's largely founded from myth.

MDMA is a set/setting drug, the placebo effect is powerful and will work in subconscious ways you won't even realise. Pretty much everytime you take a drug you'll experience some degree of placebo combined with the true, isolated drug effects. As much as i'd love to think that chocolate helps the roll, it just seems highly unlikely.

 

[sekio]

Chocolate containing 85 percent cocoa has the most serotonin, with 2.9 micrograms per gram, and chocolate containing 70 to 85 percent cocoa has the most of the serotonin precursor L-tryptophan, with 13.3 micrograms per gram, according to a study published in "Journal of Chromatography A" in April 2012.

Somehow I don't think 13 micrograms/gram is a particularly high number to be citing here. Given that a standard chocolate bar is 100 grams... 1.3 mg of tryptophan is far less than that you would get out of a single portion of meat, cheese, or legumes. Far more than the amount of serotonin released in a MDMA session.

As JWillis pointed out, most tryptophan is destroyed outside the blood-brain barrier anyway. You need enzyme inhibitors such as those used in levodopa therapy to make it centrally active beyond a mild placebo.

Chocolate is tasty and probably good for you, but the fact of the matter is that as a fat- and sugar- based product it is not a good source of protien. Whether or not it contains serotonin, tryptophan etc is immaterial if you get 500x as much from your lunch.

 

[ebola?]

Chocolate containing 85 percent cocoa has the most serotonin, with 2.9 micrograms per gram,

1. This quantity is insignificant.
2. Serotonin does not cross the blood-brain barrier remotely readily.

and chocolate containing 70 to 85 percent cocoa has the most of the serotonin precursor L-tryptophan, with 13.3 micrograms per gram, according to a study published in "Journal of Chromatography A" in April 2012.

Sekio's explanation stands.

I tell ya right now, it works. 75g a day / 74% cocoa for 7 days, drop 100mg MDMA and don't redose for 5 hours. The duration was the best thing. The roll itself was better, but I avoided the usual redosing. On a roll without dark chocolate loading, I would be out of 'buzz' at 90 minutes, and stone cold sober but awake like I had a can of Coke at 2hours.

Rolling 3 times in a week...the 2nd and 3rd rolls being better? Doesn't make sense to me but I was loading hard on dark chocolate roll 2 + 3.

This is a testament to the power of the placebo effect.

ebola

 

[Yellow-Pudding]

save your self trouble of mdma hangover by eating only dark chocolate, not only you get hyped and stay up all night dancing, you don't get a hangover.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

save your self trouble of mdma hangover by eating only dark chocolate, not only you get hyped and stay up all night dancing, you don't get a hangover.

I just smoke banana skins. Gets you really fucking high man.

How is this thread allowed to continue spreading inacuracy?

 

[Yeetbeat]

I just smoke banana skins. Gets you really fucking high man.

How is this thread allowed to continue spreading inacuracy?

I'm with you on this one. Even though the worst that will come from slamming the dark chocolate prior to rolling might be a bunch of fatties, it's still giving the false impression that it's safe to roll frequently as long as you eat it...UHHHH, WRONG.

 

[MagickalKat777]

Well I'm finally all moved (yay internet again!) and my first act of return... is closing this thread. Sorry but I see no harm reduction here and all the potential for INCREASED harm.