MDMA and Opies

[Feelin-u4ia]

So sometime this month I will be 4 years clean of ecstasy ... congrats to me woohoo except for the anxiety that STILL HAUNTS ME lol


But I do now feel in total control of it and NEVER crave ecstasy anymore,

I do use opiates and I want to know one thing, How long will it take a person to feel "whatever" about the drug and be in control and not crave it, basically how long do u have to be clean from opiates to not want it anymore and just feel the way I feel about ecstasy with it?

also is it possible for a person to be ADDICTED to ecstasy/mdma? I used mdma/ecstasy for about 3-4 years and It seems like I never really craved it as bad as I do the opiates..

Someone give me hope and tell me that one day opiates will just be "whatever" to me, I use opiates maybe about once every 2 weeks or so.

edit - I used to use opiates daily for about 2 months then did it about ever 2-3 days then jumped to about every 2 weeks or so, TO MY SURPRISE I DO NOT get any physical wd's , which is amazing to me considering my SINGLE DOSE is 500 mg hydro or 450 mg oxy and yes I meant single dose as in all at once..

None the less to say- Im now in control of my opiate use and am not dumping all my money, Im doing the drug, the drug isnt doing me anymore

 

[neversickanymore]

Ecstasy main manipulation is on serotonin with lesser effect on dopamine. Opiates main effect is Inc Dopamine through dis-inhibition in the VTA of dopamine neurons and direct effects on DA terminals. Dopamine is the key to addiction. The greater the dopamine release and the speed at which a drug causes the dopamine release are really influential in determining how addictive a substance is. where you ever addicted to ecstasy in your opinion. Yes people can become addicted to ecstasy. It isn't nearly as common as with heavy dopamine manipulators which causes really rapid dopamine promotion, like say IV touts of administration of coke, meth, or herion.

It isn't uncommon for people to switch addictions.. many hard core coke addicts end up addicted to meth in the end and no longer crave coke that much.

To me those doses of opiates seem ridiculous for someone who has little or no tolerance. I would not recommend anyone who isn't a physically dependent opiat user attempt anything like this dose as they would most likely if not certainly OD. These level of dosing can be used buy high tolerance people, but usually these people have long since given up trying to get high and are happier with the cheapest and lowest level they can comfortably get buy on.

ORAL

Morphine 30 mg PO =

Heroin = 30 mg
Codeine = 200 mg
Hydrocodone = 30 mg
Oxycodone = 20 mg
Hydromorphone = 7.5 mg
Oxymorphone = 10 mg
Methadone = 5-10 mg†
Levorphanol = 4 mg
Meperidine = 300 mg
Tramadol = 150 mg§
Dihydrocodeine = 100 mg
Dextropropoxyphene = 130-200 mg*

^ from the Blue Light opiat conversion chart >here<

since the effects of hydro are equal to the effects of pharmy grade herion or pure morphine... then you are saying that after a two month habit and a little sporadic use there after you consume the equivalent to .5 grams of pure herion (which is about 1.5 grams of average street herion) or the equivalent of 500 mgs of morphine or 16.67 30mg morphine instants...


Anyway 8)..

Im going to throw this to OD as its has nothing to do with sober living.

SL ---> OD

 

[Feelin-u4ia]

well sorry i need better to describe my story its been about 7-8 months total, 2 months of daily use of anywhere from 30-100 mgs in those two months, and over the months progressed into the higher doses, by the time I was at 150 mgs, I reached 300 very shortly after that. i stayed at 300 for quiet a few doses and jumped straight to 350-370 in hopes to reach the high.. did that all the way until i got to 400-450, then my final and biggest dose ever of 500 mgs of hydro. im 220 lbs 6'3. and I started originally taking 2-3 as a newbie because 1 did not numb the pain, so what im suggesting is I have natural tolerance to this shit or something. Believe me there is not a single lie about these doses, personally I wish I was lying, I wish I didnt require 500 + mgs.. Why can't I just go back to the good old days for 4 norcos would have me as happy as can be? and just to add for the record I consumed once 700 mg "MS contin 30's" the blues with I believe extended release, but crushed up with almost no effect? but maybe that was bad pills? or fake perhaps?

All I know is its been a expensive habbit, that ATLEAST it now somewhat under control

 

[neversickanymore]

What was your experience in the begining? How did you feel. By hydro you mean hydrocodone not Hydromorphone , just making sure i have every thing accurate. And you have never had withdrawals ever or just now?

whats up with the anxiety.. does its level flutiate with certian situations and if so when?

 

[Feelin-u4ia]

What was your experience in the begining? How did you feel. By hydro you mean hydrocodone not Hydromorphone , just making sure i have every thing accurate. And you have never had withdrawals ever or just now?

whats up with the anxiety.. does its level flutiate with certian situations and if so when?

yes hydrocodone, my expirence in the beginning was amazing.. that warm feeling full of euphoria, then once i got into my high doses it just went away.. i tried to chase it by going higher and higher..

anxiety has always kind of been an issue with me, it snot major i just sometimes catch myself worrying/thikning too much about things that i really shouldnt be, sometimes bad things, always wondering bad things.. etc.. but its nothing permanent, i think its just more when im bored. I believe the anxiety to be normal.


but what I can't explain is my no WDS, as we speak im on day 7, since my 500 mg dose of hydrocodone, and as usual, not a single sign of what people complain about being that hardest shit in the world to get by, OTHER THAN the "cravings" but im able to control it as i do know that I will reward my self eventually in life


Thanks for your reply neversick!