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MDMA and mCPP

I'd say it is a bad combo. An empathogen and a panicogen. There's also the risk of overheating and such with a piperazine in the mix with mdma. mCpp on it's own makes my face go all flushed.

I reckon you are wasting the MDMA experience but thats just because I hate mCpp as it gives me bad effects.

Hopefully someone else can give you a more in depth description of their interaction.
 
Funny you asked, a friend of mine tried this combo out last saturday. He had taken the MDMA (about 2 pills) an hour and a half before and then took the mcPP capsule (with 60-70mg) and said it definately intesfied things in a positive direction. He didn't even note nausea.

This is not to say that you should just openly try this combo. I probably still wouldn't. I might try 30mg or so when I'm on ecstasy sometime, and see how that goes.

mcPP is noted as a panicogen in some medical literature but it never gives me anything remotely close to panic. TFMPP on the other hand, sends me into a 3 hour panic attack. I actually think that mcPP might induce a panic if you have a history of anxiety or panic issues, but otherwise, it is a rather nice substance if you find your right dosage. For me, 65mg is like a nice,clean roll that lasts a bit longer then usual, and the one thing it is missing is that emphatic edge. Perhaps it should be compared more so to MDA, because it does have more of a visual element to it than MDMA. Because mcPP can be intense enough on its own, I don't really see the need to mix anything with it. I would just save MDMA for another time entirely.
 
lol im scared to dose mcpp again after my first time, i took too much it was pretty intense, i can see why its a panicigen, but im sure at the right dose i can see it being real nice. ima try something like 40mg soon.
 
It's an ok combo. I've had lots of fun on mCPP + MDMA pills. You may have more mCPP experiences than you think, too. I think calling it a panicogen is wrong. It's more a weird psychedelic, so it makes sense to combine it with MDMA.. Which also reduces anxiety and bad thoughts from such drugs.
 
I've been thinking of trying mCPP for a little while now, but it seems that people have mixed impressions of it.
 
I'll give everyone a brief run down of 10 friends of mine and myself that have tried it within the past two weeks. This is without bias and just the straight facts per what I saw, heard and felt.

Me: I initially mixed it with TFMPP which was stupid because TFMPP seems to give me panic attacks...that come and go for up to a week after ingestion. The first time I was smoothed out by the peak of the mcPP, which actually worked to induce enough euphoria to overcome the panic. The second time I tried it, I drank it with some juice..30mg initial dose and I dosed another 30mg an hour after the same way. The effects were pleasant but a bit mild. The third time I just bombed a 65mg capsule of it and had a blast. My stomach was kind of tight during the come up but after that it was quite pleasant.

A: Tried it with a shite load of codeine in his stomach. He took 30mg and said it felt like it sobered up his codeine high and he took another 30mg and an hour later stated he was "rolling" quite nicely... he was rubbing himself down, so I knew he was atleast feeling damn good :) .

B. Took 30mg and 30mg an hour later, stated it felt like MDMA but without the euphoric edge.

C. Crazy tit... he took 3 capsules with 65mg a piece in them, depsite being advised not to, but oddly enough felt no nausea and ended up on the floor next to the speakers with a perma-grin and one eye half open with the other closed. He said he had never felt so great physically, and that each bit of the music sent tingles through his body. On top of this, effects didn't fade until 7 hours after ingestion.

D. Never took MDMA before, took one 65mg capsule of mcPP and stated he felt "high as fuck" an hour in and would not stop laughing. No reported nausea.

E. Not experienced with MDMA either, took one 65mg capsule and in a very similar manner felt high, took a few hits of pot and stated she has never felt it so much before. No reported nausea either.

--Might be of value to know D. and E. are boyfriend/girlfriend--

The next 5 people all went to go see Tiesto and each took a 65mg capsule prior to entering.

F. Reported feeling horribly nauseas and that she wanted to throw up but couldn't. Ended up vomitting 3 hours in and said she felt much better after that.

G. No nausea and stated it felt like a strong dose of MDMA. Was dancing all through the set, enjoying himself.

H. No nausea and was very socialable. Jaw clench, stated it felt like MDMA but with a trippy side to it. (This I can see)

I. Slight stomach discomfort during the come up but after that said she had the time of her life. Stated she was "peaking" for 5 hours straight.

J. No reported nausea and said it felt like ecstasy but a bit more relaxed on the body.


There you have it. It seems that some people just get nauseas with this. If I would advise anything it would be to try it out with a dose less than 50mg and see how it reacts and then just go up from there until you find your ideal dosage. It is not nearly as forgiving as MDMA when it comes to dosage... the difference of 30mg could mean the difference between a night of bliss or a night of terror.

Hope some of this helps somebody out there, stay safe!
 
I never got nauseus during my m-Cpp experiences but afterwards I had the wierdest bowel movments. I've never been able to feel my intestines like that before. But my experiences were from the dodgy white sharks and there may have been caffine in them to do that to my bowels.
 
Slippysleeveen - Thanks for that report. I guess most of the reports I had seen about it were from people in Europe who had gotten the white sharks(like don luigi) and the rainbows. Maybe there was something else in these pills, as it sounds like generally the people you know have enjoyed the substance. Or maybe the Europeans didn't like them because they were expecting MDMA.
 
^Yeah that's a very good point. If I was knowingly taking mCpp then I'd say I could have enjoyed it like I have other piperazines. To be honest a few of my friends couldn't tell the difference and many thought they were really high dose MDMA pills.

Once I knew the sharks had mCpp in them I took them on my own one more time(Take away the people means taking away the anxiety) and I lay in my bed squirming in pleasure for a few hours whilst listening to music, it was a good experience. But yet again my bowels went fucked up afterwards. And I got a sore head.
 
It is true that some people will not know the difference, but they should know what they are taking. It is a tad bit more trippy than MDMA so that might make somebody anxious that is taking it expecting it to be similar to MDMA. I even notice there is a bit of time dilation.

I heard the sharks and rainbows had about 200mg mcPP plus something else. A friend of mine has tried both the white sharks in Britain and mcPP on its own and found the two completely unalike, according to him, so who knows. It probably was a combination of the high dosage and whatever else was in them. Plus, some people just get sick on the come up. As has been stated before,ginger and dramamine both help.
 
Mysterious said:
Or maybe the Europeans didn't like them because they were expecting MDMA.
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That, and that the doseages in pills are generally unknown. Combine that with the fact that the rainbows had a wildly varying doseage range (I mean like 20mg in one pill and 100mg in another) and you're bound to create some mCPP haters.

slippy sleeveen said:
I heard the sharks and rainbows had about 200mg mcPP plus something else. A friend of mine has tried both the white sharks in Britain and mcPP on its own and found the two completely unalike, according to him, so who knows. It probably was a combination of the high dosage and whatever else was in them. Plus, some people just get sick on the come up. As has been stated before,ginger and dramamine both help.
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Probably a small bit of mCPP and a small bit of MDMA then.. 200 mg, no way...
 
Yeah 200mg is definatley out of the realms of possibility. The sharks were very big pills in my opinion but not enough for 200mg of mCpp+ binders and fillers or a small bit of MDMA. Perhaps mCpp dosen't need binders, I wouldn't know.

But I think the dosage did widely vary with the sharks. My girl friend and the time was spazzing out in pleasure from a half 8)
 
What kind of operation would be making pills that vary in dosage from one to another? Or do you mean there were copycats/different batches going around?
 
The mCpp sharks were a copycat of the good sharks that went around a few months before. But it wouldn't be suprising that the dodgy ones had a varying dosage. After all they don't have the knowledge synthesising MDMA or they can't afford it.
 
Bypass the stummich and shaft it up your ass...

Or better, dissolve the mCpp in about 3 ml of water and suck it up in a syringe (no needle of course), lay down on ur back and squirt the solution up your rectum :)

^^ This will provide a helluva ride..
 
^I would not suggest that, unless you already get no anxiety from the come up. I've heard of people just railing mCPP and they didn't note any severe nausea but they said they it came on TOO fast and had a bit of anxiety/paranoia from this. I imagine this would be amplified by rectal administration, unless the anxiety is somehow caused or compounded by the stomach discomfort some people get. That seems to be the case with me...I notice that as my nausea passes, so does my anxiety. Eventually it smoothed out but still I would like to avoid anxiety and panic where possible... just not a good way to start out the evening :(
 
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