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I was wondering if anyone here knows what happens to people with Asperger's Syndrome when they take MDMA? One of the symptoms of AS seems to be a lack of the ability to empathize with people, general social awkwardness and problems communicating with people. Could MDMA in any way help with these syndromes, or would a person with AS be "loved up" but in his own way?
 
There's really know way to answer this...I am not sure what Asperger's is but it sounds like an emotional problem rather than a medical one. Is you friend on any meds for his condition? Are there any physical aspects to the disorder that may cause it to be dangerous for his heart rate and blood pressure to be elevated for a long period? Would the deprssion that MDMA can cause magnify the condition?

Some meds can cancel out the effects of MDMA and some can cause dangerous interactions. But if he is not limited by his meds or physical condition the only way to tell what effects it will have is for him to try it.
 
matt2012 said:
There's really know way to answer this...I am not sure what Asperger's is but it sounds like an emotional problem rather than a medical one. Is you friend on any meds for his condition? Are there any physical aspects to the disorder that may cause it to be dangerous for his heart rate and blood pressure to be elevated for a long period? Would the deprssion that MDMA can cause magnify the condition?

Some meds can cancel out the effects of MDMA and some can cause dangerous interactions. But if he is not limited by his meds or physical condition the only way to tell what effects it will have is for him to try it.
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I pretty sure AS is a biological condition not an emotional one. From what I understand it's a form of High level Autism. As I understand there really is reliable way to distinguish AS from HLA.

I don't have any friends with AS (although I sometimes wonder if I have some sort of mild 'emotional' AS lol), I am just wondering what happens when people with AS do MDMA.
 
Wow this never came to my mind. My younger sister has Aspergers and her entire life has struggled with "fitting in", having friends and just plain socializing. Even though I would never condone or offer mdma to my younger sister, she is far too young...I could see that this drug could benefit her greatly. Maybe in the late future I'l bring it up....suprised I've never thought of this after the last 2 years of using e.
 
I have Aesperger's syndrome, well was diagnosed with it in my late-teens after mistakenly being diagnosed ADD and whilst doing loads of drugs, which didn't help me at all to know if I was really an aesperger, but basically as I see it if you read up on the whole authtitstic spectrum thing you could say almost everybody would be Dx'd some kind of xxxxxx syndrome aboarding so many areas and being such a broad spectrum.

There's no medication for Aesperger's each one works his-her way out if you decide to treat it, I ended up scripted loads of benzos a-drugs other gaba-ergics and even anti-psychotics, for related issued and also due to past addiction social anxiety and OCD... anyway I've had my fair share of rolls and powder over the years, I never been into the rave-scene or electronic scene though, I just liked taking MDMA at home on my own or with my homeboy ex-girlfriends listening to loud rock music the most...I timed my last doses of some meds so they wouldn't cancel out the effect of MDMA, for example I didn't take quetiapine for 48 hours and only took 2-4mg clonazepam in the morning I rolled about 12hours prior...I also rolled unexpextedly a few times whilst on my meds and opiates and I noticed a diminished effect, and I always disliked being with more than 2-3 people, I enjoyed the most with someone I knew beforehand who'd know I'd be loved-up in my own way...but then that's vry subjective everyone is loved up their own way but I like to be in control of the setting I roll at, dunno if it's my aesperger or the whole social thing surrounding X, that's why I always have hook ups for acid but never for pills I guess...

I'm kinda old and overdone a lot of drugs and know how they interact with supossed Aesperger's syndromeäs effects, and I'd say if you're on meds and never have taken a SSRI a stimulant nor a psychedelic before MDMA wouldn't be your best choice to start with, but if you plan it out well it can be awesome, don't get me wrong the fact I haven't abused MDMA (mostly because I was on Tramadol for years) as I did with other drugs doesn't mean I don't love it, actually it's one of the few drugs I respect and plan beforehand taking it whilst I could drop 5hits of blotter on my own a thursday evening.

Sorry for the lack of parragraphs, I'm kinda insomniac and with light opiate w-d...I must say weed (which sadly I still smoke on a daily basis, and pretty shitty weed nowadays;( is the worst for someone with aesperger heroin would be a close second, but I was also a daily user, but sporadical MDMA use is fine, just test your pills or get molly if you can...happy rolling and if you're medicated plan it out well.
 
taking MDMA could help you out and you may be very talkative OR you would just have a very bad roll by distancing yourself from everybody
 
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I have Aesperger's syndrome, well was diagnosed with it in my late-teens after mistakenly being diagnosed ADD and whilst doing loads of drugs, which didn't help me at all to know if I was really an aesperger, but basically as I see it if you read up on the whole authtitstic spectrum thing you could say almost everybody would be Dx'd some kind of xxxxxx syndrome aboarding so many areas and being such a broad spectrum.

There's no medication for Aesperger's each one works his-her way out if you decide to treat it, I ended up scripted loads of benzos a-drugs other gaba-ergics and even anti-psychotics, for related issued and also due to past addiction social anxiety and OCD... anyway I've had my fair share of rolls and powder over the years, I never been into the rave-scene or electronic scene though, I just liked taking MDMA at home on my own or with my homeboy ex-girlfriends listening to loud rock music the most...I timed my last doses of some meds so they wouldn't cancel out the effect of MDMA, for example I didn't take quetiapine for 48 hours and only took 2-4mg clonazepam in the morning I rolled about 12hours prior...I also rolled unexpextedly a few times whilst on my meds and opiates and I noticed a diminished effect, and I always disliked being with more than 2-3 people, I enjoyed the most with someone I knew beforehand who'd know I'd be loved-up in my own way...but then that's vry subjective everyone is loved up their own way but I like to be in control of the setting I roll at, dunno if it's my aesperger or the whole social thing surrounding X, that's why I always have hook ups for acid but never for pills I guess...

I'm kinda old and overdone a lot of drugs and know how they interact with supossed Aesperger's syndromeäs effects, and I'd say if you're on meds and never have taken a SSRI a stimulant nor a psychedelic before MDMA wouldn't be your best choice to start with, but if you plan it out well it can be awesome, don't get me wrong the fact I haven't abused MDMA (mostly because I was on Tramadol for years) as I did with other drugs doesn't mean I don't love it, actually it's one of the few drugs I respect and plan beforehand taking it whilst I could drop 5hits of blotter on my own a thursday evening.

Sorry for the lack of parragraphs, I'm kinda insomniac and with light opiate w-d...I must say weed (which sadly I still smoke on a daily basis, and pretty shitty weed nowadays;( is the worst for someone with aesperger heroin would be a close second, but I was also a daily user, but sporadical MDMA use is fine, just test your pills or get molly if you can...happy rolling and if you're medicated plan it out well.
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Interesting, thank you for the input. Yeah, AS does to be a really 'wide' syndrome.
 
Aspergers personality types are often described as "excessive maleness"

MDMA will 100% help you get in touch with the good side of you. It could change your life for the better. I have a few friends with this and I think I was also in my youth.

You don't have any less of ability to empathize normally than any other people. Believing so holds you back from learning it more. Your life experience just hasn't presented you with the right people showing the right emotions yet.

Don't hide from your thoughts when you roll and it will make you into a completely new person. A better, more balanced, whole person. To YOU.
 
Insofar as aspergers really is low-level autism, it marks a deficit of mirror neuron activity (these neurons fire similarly whether one is doing a particular thing, making a particular expression on their face, etc. or watching someone else do that thing). They're a plausible physiological bases for much of empathy. I don't really know what adding MDMA to the equation would do.
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Looking to the MBTI personality types, the INTP, eg I, is the closest to being an 'Aspie' (the INTP is 'the nerd'...so Aspergers may be thought of as being hyper-nerdy rather than simply hyper-masculine). In terms of cognitive function, it feels like E boosts competence and salience of extroverted feeling, which is often underdeveloped for INTPs...maybe it'd be like that for Aspergers people.

Aspergers personality types are often described as "excessive maleness"

MDMA will 100% help you get in touch with the good side of you. It could change your life for the better. I have a few friends with this and I think I was also in my youth.

You don't have any less of ability to empathize normally than any other people. Believing so holds you back from learning it more. Your life experience just hasn't presented you with the right people showing the right emotions yet.

Don't hide from your thoughts when you roll and it will make you into a completely new person. A better, more balanced, whole person. To YOU.
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I wouldn't paint MDMA as a panacea. Often, it's hard to take those insights home with you without professional therapeutic guidance.
 
i suspect myself having AS (everything fits... my behaviour since I remember, my interests and my friends also say I'm typical "aspie") and about 1.5 year ago I spent every second weekend rolling
it really changed my behaviour and attitude towards people, I learned some empathy and tolerance - not only at parties, but also in everyday life. I became more self-confident, talkative, can easily talk to girls (it used to be a problem ;) ) and I think that escstasy makes wonders for some aspies <3
it didn't changed my "male" thinking and need to organize things, but it isn't so compulsive like it used to, I pay more attention not to hurt people
next step towards improving my life was LSD and mushrooms and they also helped (they change close-minded attitude)
but I think that changes aren't permament, I haven't rolled for about half a year and tend to "forget" sometimes empathy

propably ecstasy + sessions with therapeutist (proffesional or simply close friends) could be even more helpful than simply rolling on parties
 
Heya,
I'm also pretty sure that I'm an aspie, and have used ecstasy and can definitely attest to its social skill improving abilities.
Just wanted to point out that Alexander Shulgin, an extremely gifted chemist and chief researcher of MDMA, probably was an aspie.
Think about it.
 
People with aspergers find it very difficult to fit in with other people. They like to be independent and spend their time alone. Some them do try and talk to other people but they find it difficult to pick up gestures and signs from the others.

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I have aspergers, I was diagnosed when I was 13. When I was 17 I started smoking cannabis, it didn't really do anything for my symptoms but I found that I now had something in common with many of my peers and started to make friends. Before that point I was pretty much incapable of socialising with people of my own age group and preferred to converse with adults where I could use my intellect to have a meaningful conversation.

Cannabis IS a gateway drug and in my first year of uni I tried ecstasy. I found that like when I am drunk my social inhibitions dissolved and I could chat with friends more openly. Although it was chemically induced I felt a real sense of empathy for the first time and it really changed my life permanently, I can now to some extent empathise with others and I'm better in social situations.

I also took psilocybin mushrooms and LSD on several occasions, both enabled me to take an introspective view on myself and although it would be totally impossible to say what was going through my head at the time, the conclusions I reached while tripping changed the way I react to every day situations. I'm allot more relaxed in many situations and am generally very easy going although I'm still uncomfortable in large groups or crowds due to over-stimulus.

The problem came when I started to enjoy the experience of being high too much, I started taking very high doses of MDMA, smoked allot of weed and began to experience severe paranoia and even went through a very painful psychotic episode. It took me a long time to be able to stop taking drugs even though more often than not, taking them was making me feel terrible since it had become such a big part of my life but eventually it became too much and I stopped taking them all together.

Even though towards the end I was not enjoying myself I still feel that psychedelics and amphetamines overall improved me as a person and getting through my brief psychotic episode made me allot mentally tougher.

I don't think it would be a solution for everyone, my aspergers is quite mild and I started taking drugs with close friends I trusted deeply. Of course you have to weigh up the potential health risks associated with taking such drugs too, but I do think there is definitely a chance that MDMA and psilocybin can improve quality of life for someone suffering with aspergers as long as you avoid the pitfall of abuse. I would advise avoiding canabis completely if you are an aspergers sufferer as this is most likely to cause paranoia, for me it was just right at the time when I started as most of my friends were smoking it. and it made me fit in.

Mike
 
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My step-father of 28 years has Asperger's. Last June, my boyfriend Chris sustained a brain injury from a motorcycle accident. Physically Chris recovered quickly but emotionally he barely progressed at all. Over about 9 months, my mother and I noticed that their behaviors, ideas and social/emotional difficulties were very very similar. It became evident that the part of Chris' brain that remained was the same that is affected by Asperger's. We discussed this many times over many months, even writing down our observations and doing research via the internet. Since the accident Chris had become jealous and mistrustful of everyone. He did not ever feel comfortable in the bar that I manage and friendships were only superficial. I did research on Asperger's and found much speculation about MDMA. So, I obtained some.....Over a weekend a couple of months ago he took several and what happened is truly a miracle for us. Spontaneously, he went to a person who should have been a close friend but Chris had constantly mistrusted for bizarre outlandish reasons. He stated to our friend that before that day he had faked his friendship but today he wanted to say that he is truly a friend. Since, that weekend he is comfortable in the bar and talks to everyone. Since that weekend, he is no longer jealous and mistrustful. You can actually see the difference in his face and his eyes! Chris can articulate very well his thoughts, before the accident, during his recovery period and after the MDMA. Research could learn so much from him! He told me that he always knew I loved him, but after the MDMA, he felt my love for the very first time since the accident. He also didn't realize his thinking was so wrong until after the MDMA when he had a week of emotional realizations about all of the people he had hurt, how ugly some of his behavior was and how unrealistic his ideas where. I have sent his story to MAPS, which is an organization currently doing clinical studies with MDMA as well as posting it on every site I can hoping that this will help others. If we hadn't happened upon this information and tried this, Chris would still be tormented by continuous bizarre thoughts, lacking any inner peace, struggling with every social/emotional relationship and we surely would not be together. We are not just together, we are happier than I ever thought possible!
 
MDMA effectively nullifies the symptoms of Aspergers syndrome - effectively multiplies the negative aspects of the condition by zero. It reduces all of the social anxieties caused by the condition to zero.

In fact, it has been an absolutely wonderful compound for me, as I suffer from a variant of AS, and I find it does wonders for me in complex social situations - way more effective than alcohol. In fact I cannot go clubbing sober - I find it a horrid experience, because of the high levels of anxiety I feel, and would get the fear within minutes. MDMA makes clubbing extremely enjoyable, so much so that I often look forward to big nights. I can have an OK time on alcohol, but this doesn't remove much of the social anxiety I feel.

I find MDMA completely transformative, its almost like Tyler Durden in fight club - it transforms me into who I want to be (in the sense that from a social standpoint, fearless and could chat to anybody, about anything). Not sure if I've explained that too well.

Of course, I am extremely sensitive to stress, and a bad comedown (which I haven't had in years, since I stopped abusing MDMA - see my points above - I went through a pretty heavy abuse phase - guess I was trying to escape the AS, and the MDMA high provides this) can exacerbate this sensitivity. I've found Piracetam helps with the AS a bit, but doesn't help with the obsessional phases.

For these reasons, MDMA is by far my favourite drug - nothing provides such a transformation which is so profound in me, and I have taken a range of compounds (mainly its psychedelics I enjoy taking), and whilst most provide partial escapes, MDMA does it so completely every time, virtually without fail.

It would be interesting to see other peoples experiences with this.

EDIT: I will add that in my experience, Aspergers Syndrome has been horrendous for me - I've found it very unpleasant (a severe hindrance in almost every aspect of my life) and difficult to accept. Things many take for granted, are important to me, like good close friends - it takes a while for me to make friends (takes a while to build up trust). I have found that using drugs have generally given me an outlet, an escape as it were from this condition, and I think this is part of the reason I like to experiment with different psychoactive compounds, as well as the fact that I find drugs and the way they affect me fascinating.
 
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^^ wat
That didn't even make sense.

Please don't call Asperger's "the burgers". Have a bit of respect for people who suffer with the syndrome.
Thanks.

levictus said:
I was wondering if anyone here knows what happens to people with Asperger's Syndrome when they take MDMA? One of the symptoms of AS seems to be a lack of the ability to empathize with people, general social awkwardness and problems communicating with people. Could MDMA in any way help with these syndromes, or would a person with AS be "loved up" but in his own way?
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I know of a guy in the Sydney rave scene, have known him for years. He's high-functioning Autistic, so kinda like a level above Aspergers. He has said before that when he's rolling on MDMA it is a lot easier for him to socialise and chat with people. It's the reason he's been taking the drug for so many years. I imagine that it could even help him when he's not rolling as well, kinda similar to how MDMA helps shy people come out of their shell...? I've never asked him that though, maybe I will :)
 
http://www.maps.org/media/update/#14
"MAPS is offering a grant of $10,000 for protocol development expenses for a pilot study of MDMA for the treatment of high-functioning autism or Asperger's syndrome. We have prepared a Request for Proposals (RFP) for U.S.-based researchers. One of the factors that we'll look for in selecting a research team is whether they would also have a chance of obtaining funds for research from other grant agencies (autism research is currently a well-funded field). At present, we do not have the funds for the study itself but we do have funds for protocol development. Once we have a completed protocol, we can develop a budget and a fundraising plan. MAPS itself would be in a much better position to raise funds for a study with a completed protocol from a qualified research team.

To facilitate the protocol development process, MAPS has collected numerous anecdotal reports from individuals with Autism Spectrum Disorders who have used MDMA or Ecstasy. Many of these accounts are from people who considered MDMA to be helpful. If you or someone you know has heard of MDMA having either positive or negative effects on symptoms of Autism Spectrum Disorders or Asperger's syndrome, please contact MAPS Lead Clinical Research Associate Berra Yazar-Klosinski, Ph.D., at [email protected]."
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