Surely if MDMA can damage some of the regions of the brain associated with memory and task completion and other things, MDMA abuse alone CAN make you stupid/ lower IQ?
Yes the brain is remarkable and yes you might make a full recovery over time. Then again, you might not! We don't know...
I certainly notice what I call 'cognitive scrambling' the day after consuming tested MDMA at doses ranging from 100-150mg. In fact, this is usually the only slightly negative effect I experience on the alledged 'comedown.' I actually usually more empathetic and content with life, but less tuned into the world. This does not usually last longer than 1 day, 2 at the most. I'm unsure about the effects of MDMA on chronic cognitive functioning and, in fact, the role of serotonin in cognitive function is not that clear. Folley posted a good journal because it is one of the first to amend the evident flaws in previous research. In this sense, it is more important than previous studies because it is quite simply more controlled. However, the area is evidently lacking any conclusive effects on cognition. Personally, I believe MDMA could, when taken frequently at increasingly high doses, alter cognitive performance - its just feels intuitive from my personal experiences.
In many of the studies I have read it seems in many cases IQ is unaffected by MDMA abuse. From a personal observation it would seem my IQ is intact yet I suffer from many other issues. I certainly notice a general slowness in digesting information, memory and overall awarness.
Now I have been on BL for a while and read many cases of long term comedowns I think things can varie a lot. Some users seem to be just suffering from anxiety symptoms and a lot of their problems clear up then there are others like myself who have abused on a more long term basis and there is definitely elements of recovery that are very long term. I dont think I will recover 100% but I think over time life will become more bearable or at least I hope![]()
I've noticed a few different cognitive issues since starting this comedown. (On a side note, I'm starting to wonder if 'comedown' is even the right word for this) The first thing I noticed, after the crippling anxiety and depression began to abate, was that I couldn't really picture things clearly in my mind's eye. Like if someone said picture someone peeling a banana I literally couldn't do it.
My spelling has also suffered immensely from this. Ironically, the more I try to focus on doing something the more confusing it becomes. If I just write on autopilot I will spell most words correctly and be able to form grammatically correct sentences but if I actually think about how to spell a word I often become confused.
Another thing I have noticed is that it seems like all my thoughts, emotions, and memories have become watered down and distant. For example things I did yesterday seem as if they were done weeks or months ago. I still am able to remember many things but it's as if I have to retrieve everything through a dense fog and when I finally do its not a clear picture but more like a rough outline. It's really frustrating because I used to have such a visceral response to the people, places, and things around me.
Basically I feel like I'm 70 years old and I just turned 30.
I really hope the clarity of life returns little by little because it blows feeling like I can't learn new things/remember the old.
I've noticed a few different cognitive issues since starting this comedown. (On a side note, I'm starting to wonder if 'comedown' is even the right word for this) The first thing I noticed, after the crippling anxiety and depression began to abate, was that I couldn't really picture things clearly in my mind's eye. Like if someone said picture someone peeling a banana I literally couldn't do it.
My spelling has also suffered immensely from this. Ironically, the more I try to focus on doing something the more confusing it becomes. If I just write on autopilot I will spell most words correctly and be able to form grammatically correct sentences but if I actually think about how to spell a word I often become confused.
Another thing I have noticed is that it seems like all my thoughts, emotions, and memories have become watered down and distant. For example things I did yesterday seem as if they were done weeks or months ago. I still am able to remember many things but it's as if I have to retrieve everything through a dense fog and when I finally do its not a clear picture but more like a rough outline. It's really frustrating because I used to have such a visceral response to the people, places, and things around me.
Basically I feel like I'm 70 years old and I just turned 30.
I really hope the clarity of life returns little by little because it blows feeling like I can't learn new things/remember the old.
I do agree, Im having the same issue with this comedown as well. 7 weeks ago is the last time I did the MDMA. Ive felt horrible anxiety and great inability to do/process things as I have before then. Slowly anxiety is reducing. Yet I do not feel like I am all there. This thread is interesting and lets keep up with the progress we all make over the next few weeks or months. I think with a good attitude going forward and support by friends and family it will be easy to overcome the symptoms we are experiencing. Last night I came clean to my parents about why I have been having these anxiety attacks. They were extremely supportive and understanding which took a huge weight off my shoulders and I can absolutely say it alleviated a lot of anxiety.
How have some of you dealt with family/relationships over this?
Coming clean is an important part of ones recovery as it does relieve a lot of anxiety - this is tough to deal with on ur own. It does depend on the severity of your symptoms, of course, but generally I think this is the right thing to do. I have told my parents and as in your case, they have been very nice and supportive. My mother is understandably quite worried though as I am quite different to the person I was before, which I feel quite guilty about - the situation has clearly made her more anxious. Keep us updated on how you get on in the comings weeks/ months!
I'm relatively new to E. Did a lot of what I thought was molly, turned out to be meth. Never done anything other than shrooms and weed before that so I had no idea. But I have gotten more experience. Some with pressed pills which are very nice. Although I don't think my experience really matters with what I'm about to say. Read the following BELIEVING ITS TRUE. Don't even second guess it. Don't even think about second guessing it. And it WILL help.
I truly believe that every mood, emotion, etc. is controllable. Everything is in your head. Any sort of damage, disorder, etc. is just a roadblock making it tougher. You need to BE HAPPY. Forget this bullshit comedown. Forget that you fucked up and abused it wrongly. Just realize that you're still alive. YOU are alive and YOU can decide how YOU feel. You want this comedown to go away? Done. Don't think about it. Don't stress over it. Forget it completely. It's just a little pest fucking with your mind. The more you think about it and the more you try to get rid of it, the more it will eat you. Your mind is in a state that wants you to feel shitty. It's secretly happy when you feel shitty. So just say fuck this I'm done with this shit and be fucking happy. That's what life is all about. Living it up to the fullest and being happy. You fucked up. So have billions of other people. But don't let that stupid shit stop YOU from being happy. You are in control of your life. YOU HAVE CONTROL. YOUR mind. YOUR body. YOUR personality. YOUR emotions. Not the fucking drug's or the comedown's. Those two things are non-existent. Fucking synthetic, fake shit to make life hard. Well don't let them take control of you. YOU have the power.
EDIT: I made an account just to post this shit cause I guarantee if you just believe it, it will work. Has before and will again.
Hey dpd_mnk92 , any improvement? My sleep seems to be getting worse in fact
Hello pmz your sleep shouldnt be getting worse if you are doing all the right things.
Are you still taking benzos? those dont help sleep in the long term.
Also alcohol can be very bad for sleep when suffering in the way we are.
When I had my first recovery it seemed like not much was improving then I went to bed one night and the increased heart beat had stopped, I slept properly for the first time in six months and I woke up feeling normal again.
I finally got those DP/DR videos done for you. The guy on there is a little quirky but some useful info. Video 12 about suppliments is quite ammusing :D
Heres the link
DP/DR Videos
http://www.4shared.com/folder/g_xLSptV/DP-DR_Videos.html