Mdma + 4fa

[rkline]

Has anyone tried this combo? With what dosage amd spacing? I want to make pure mdma (which is fairly relaxing) more stimulating for a party/rave setting

 

[Frogster]

use 4-fa (80-130mg) as primer and MDMA (80-130mg) second when you plateau on 4-fa at approx. +1h. This gives a more euphoric/speedier experience than with MDMA alone. It should just suit well in a party/rave setting with at least 6h full on roll. You can adjust the 4-fa/MDMA ratio freely, more 4-fa will get more partyvibe, more MDMA will get more serenity/emotional vibe... Redosing will only add insomnia at the comedown so avoid it. GHB/GBL/Baclofen, Benzos and Weed are helping best when coming down.

 

[Folley]

It should be just fine...

4-FA is basically a serotonergic amphetamine, so do keep in mind that the comedown is most likely going to be rather bad. Amphetamines and MDMA is already bad enough together, so who know's how bad this could be...


I don't really see a problem other than the neurotoxicty though, I would still dose on the lower side for the 4-FA though, when I add amp to my rolls I usually never go over 20mgs TOPS, usually like 5 or 10.



I would take like 10-15mgs of 4-FA in a cap with about 125mg or so of MDMA, don't redose any speed, and have something for the comedown (alcohol, GHB, weed, benzos..). I wouldn't want the speediness to over power the MDMA (or I would just do meth...), just to pick me up off the floor and give me a small amount of energy

 

[rkline]

use 4-fa (80-130mg) as primer and MDMA (80-130mg) second when you plateau on 4-fa at approx. +1h. This gives a more euphoric/speedier experience than with MDMA alone. It should just suit well in a party/rave setting with at least 6h full on roll. You can adjust the 4-fa/MDMA ratio freely, more 4-fa will get more partyvibe, more MDMA will get more serenity/emotional vibe... Redosing will only add insomnia at the comedown so avoid it. GHB/GBL/Baclofen, Benzos and Weed are helping best when coming down.

Will taking 4fa one hour before taking mdma effect the sertogenic intensity of the mdma? Since both act on serotonin, Im worried taking 4fa first will deplete sserotonin and lessen the loving feelings of mdma. If I take both 4fa/mdma at the same time will it prevent a depletion in serotonin beore I start rolling? Or is this not something to worry about?

 

[rkline]

I just had to try this combination just one time. So, I took 100 mg of 4-FA, and one hour later, 110 mg of mdma.

Chewed the largest hole in my tongue anyone had ever seen. Bled like a stuck hog.

Other than that, I don't remember a thing for the first 90 minutes. The person I was with took video of me talking with people. I was embarrassed at my demeanor when I watched it the next day.

Oh - And, my heart rate was over 100 for the next 10 hours.

Thankfully, I had no comedown problems at all. (But, I never have.)

*IF* I were ever to try this combination again, I'd try something in the mg ranges that Folley suggested above.

Thanks for the heads up. When taking 4fa first, did you notice that the love feelings of mdma were less intense?