MDMA & 4-ho-met - New Combo - New Year, New Chemical

[bunnyhentman]

I was going to a dance party on New Year's Eve with a group of friends. Normally I'd take lsd or 2cb or another psychedelic phenethylamine at a party like this ?€” some of my favorite dj's were playing and I knew it was going to be a fun, well-planned and not-too-crowded new year's eve. But I had tripped on 2cp + 4-aco-dmt a few days earlier so I knew I had some tolerance and I didn't feel up to a full-on psychedelic experience.

MDMA is a 1-2 times a year thing for me, but this seemed like a good setting. I wanted to feel MDMA's warm simplicity, and I knew I was going to be in a sincere setting (people and music I honestly loved) so I didn't have to worry about the paranoia MDMA sometimes evokes in me. I overdid it with MDMA over 10 years ago, taking it too often in order to enjoy situations I really didn't want to be in ?€” in return MDMA taught me I can't pretend to enjoy life by giving me intense paranoia whenever I took it, followed by a full week of serotonergic misery.

4-ho-met was described to me as being very light on the mind with nice visuals. I pretty much never take MDMA without something extra to bump up the visuals and put in me in a more psychedelic headspace. I took the MDMA first as I like how the friendly MDMA vibes transition into a stronger psychedelic.

We got to the party around 10:30, but I waited until 11:30 to take my first MDMA capsule (~90mg). A good friend was playing some of my favorite albums and I would have had a great time totally sober, which meets my requirements for taking MDMA.

About an hour later I took the second capsule of MDMA (~30mg). I broke them up so I wouldn't get too sick on the come-up, and it worked nicely. Because I had a full stomach the MDMA didn't kick in at all until about 1:30am, 2 hours after my first dose. I was super good about it and didn't drink alcohol or take anything else but patiently waited and had fun.

Around 2:30 one of my favorite dj's in the world came on and proceeded to play the best set of his life (this was independently verified). I took 15 mgs of 4-ho-met and danced like a maniac for his whole set. About 30 minutes in, I was dazzled by a sudden explosion of brightly colored aztec patterns and some stellar psilo-esque geometric light shows. For the entire peak of the MDMA, I had the most beautiful open eyed visuals ?€” exactly what I find most lacking in MDMA.

As the MDMA started to cool off (around 4:30 am) I took another 15 mgs of 4-ho-met. Unfortunately, this had the effect of clearing my head up -- the 4-ho-met cut right through the warm MDMA fuzz. I got a slight bump in my visuals, but I also got that awful mushroom thing where you constantly feel like you have to pee. I spent the next few hours mostly in line for the bathroom, but having fun chatting with the other people in line.

After the party ended at 7 am, I house hopped a little and ended up at an after-party at someone's house. I had a good time sitting out in the unseasonably warm weather and chatting with various acquaintances. Still felt a little chemical empathy, but in no way psychedelic. Mostly people were partaking in small amounts of coke or ketamine, but I just had a couple of strong bloody mary's and some stronger weed. Around 10:30 am the coke vibe was grating on me, so I went home. I got to sleep around 1pm.

In retrospect, I could have handled some LSD after all. 4-ho-met was really strange in that it had the clearest headspace but super crazy visuals. It was kind of a bummer that I didn't really trip out, because the music was so good it would have been mystical. I also should have taken the whole 30 mg of 4-ho-met at once, the second dose really didn't have any positive effects apart from keeping me up a little longer.

I might take 4-ho-met again for a situation like watching a movie. It might be a good movie drug ?€” not confusing, but visually-enhancing. As for MDMA, I felt more burnt out that I do on any psychedelic, but no big emotional crash. I probably won't take it again this year.

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[Cface]

4-Ho-MET is one of my favorite psychedelics simply for how easy-going it is. Though one could wrapped up pretty intensely in the visuals (at 35-50mg range, not recommended for first time).

I don't know, I've never had a crash-like feeling from 4-Ho-MET, but i never took it with MDMA. It always takes me down suddenly to baseline with little afterglow, but certainly no "crash" or "hangover" effects.

Do you know what type of 4-Ho-MET it was? fumerate (fumarate?) seems to be the most common, which tends to be less potent by weight in comparison to the other formulations of 4-ho-met.

 

[kingme]

nice report! glad to see others having a nice time on new years eve!

stragenly enough i also get the need to pee on 4-ho-met, but also on most other psychedelics, from lsd to 4 aco mipt. then again i never find it too bothersome really, but i quite rarely trip in public parties where there are pee lines.

4ho met isnt supposed to work very well with redoses, i wouldve been surprised if the latter dose wouldve done much... but each person is different so it might work on some

 

[bunnyhentman]

Thanks kingme, good to know about redosing -- I was being cautious as it was a new chem for me and I was in a public place and on something else as well. I didn't want to get too sick. I'll definitely try it again on its own in a more private setting, probably in the 30 mg range. I get the "have to pee" feeling on many drugs, but more on the mushroomy ones. Mushrooms themselves do it to me too. I wish I knew what the physical cause was and if there was any way to prevent it.

Also thanks Cface, possibly the sudden drop off from the 4-ho-met dragged the rest of my mdma down with it. I probably have a skewed perspective on how long drugs should last as I usually take lsd or 2c-p (or both together). I believe my dose was fumerate. I'm pretty sure my hangover was 50% lack of sleep and 50% mdma. I felt great after a good night's sleep, so my mdma sabbaticals seem to be paying off.

I've tried 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-dipt and would like to try 4-ho-mipt some time soon. 4-ho-met gave me open-eyed visuals on par with 4-aco-dmt's closed-eye visuals. It was definitely the lightest tryptamine I've ever experienced. The contrast between amazing visuals and metal clarity made it feel like the 2c-i of psilocin analogues.

 

[frontbluntt]

Hey bunnyhentman I sent you a message, think I might live near you

 

[mrsusan]

I'm hoping to try some 4-ho-met for the first time soon, I look forward to the coloured aztec patterns :D

 

[Lady Codone]

4-HO-MET is on the top of my "must-try" list! I generally dislike psychedelics, but mostly because they make me feel so sluggish/fatigued. 4-HO-MET sounds very "up" and clear-headed. Good report!