I've not really attempted to write a trip report before so any comments on how I can be more helpful or make it more readable much appreciated!
I'm experienced with MDMA (100+ doses) at around 100-250mg levels which I normally find to be plenty for a great experience. Both at parties/clubs and at home with friends or lovers.
Pretty experienced (10+ trips) with 4-HO-MET at between 10 and 30mg - always very enjoyable shift in thought processes, visual patterning, shifting colours etc, with fairly consistent organic flowing CEVs. Both at parties and at home/in nature.
I've done low and medium-dose 2C-[B|I|C], LSD and mushrooms probably about 20 times.
I have never tried 2C-D before (not trying things for the first time in a combination is not recommended!)
Also a daily heavy cannabis smoker and moderate red wine drinker throughout all these experiences.
I've tried combining MDMA with 4-HO-MET twice before at low doses, either dosing both at the same or the 4-HO-MET first and the MDMA after. Both of those experiences were let-downs; not only were the effects mild in such a way that they were offputting, it they also seemed to make me feel very emotional and worried about recent interactions with friends. A lot to do with my Set at the time, and it would probably be useful in the right Setting of course, but not what you'd want at a party.
I'll also add that previous experiences with 200mg of MDMA and ~8mg 2C-B provided very little in the way of visuals - only a slight enhancement of colours, extra dreamyness and some very weak and grainy CEVs. (This is to compare with the MDMA+10mg 4-HO-MET combo effects further on)
This new recent experience was at a party at a secret rural location. I'm not going to describe the whole day/night as a lot of it is a blur, but I will focus on the primary effects of MDMA and 4-HO-MET as I couldn't find any reports of these in combination.
To start, I should say the day started with:
Lots of spliffs,
500mg choline citrate,
2g piracetam,
200mg Modafinil/Provigil,
some cups of tea,
a long drive to the campsite,
some light food and
a few glasses of red wine.
So then to the start of the party proper: 100mg of MDMA. Perhaps because of tolerance, the horrible weather or the unfamiliar surroundings, this didn't bring the expected 'lift off', so at T+1 dosed with a top-up of 60mg. At around T+1:30, dosed another 60mg and 10mg of 4-HO-MET.
The next hour was a blur of chatting to new friends on the same combination, although we were having some difficulty communicating due to poor short term memory, visual distraction and the intense open-eye kaleidoscope of patterns that replaced my friend's face when looking at him in shadow. Lots of other intense visual effects - writing appearing to wiggle and jump out of notice boards, oil-on-water effect colours playing over surfaces etc. Very nicely 'fucked', as the kids would say. Friendly but pretty intoxicated and disoriented. Gave away a lot of free drugs. This felt good.
Walking back to the car/tent in order to get more doses was troublesome in the dark and rain, as the shifting kaleidoscope patterns overlaid onto the vague outline of people, torches and muddy puddles. It also always felt like I had two other people standing at the periphery of my vision over my shoulder all the time, which was sometimes comforting (an audience for mine and my friend's jokes) and sometimes a little disconcerting ('what? i thought there were loads of us here'). Sitting in the car for a quiet moment with my eyes shut and head rested against the window, I took in the CEVs.. and found them to be the most intense I've ever experienced thus far. Instead of my more typical grainy ghosts of organic shapes, 'milkdrop of the mind' or flash-frames of scenes, these were full-colour, high-definition vector graphics containing abstract images, shapes with bevelled edges, designs and words, drawn by graphic designers and animated at 60fps by professionals. No emotional resonance or anything, but just very very pretty - I was taken aback how well the two synergised, but the party and socialising beckoned so I couldn't get deeper into these visuals. It occurred to me that perhaps these are more like DMT visuals, which I hope to be trying soon.
Before returning to the party (this is probably about 5 hours after the initial MDMA dose) I ate 25mg of 2C-D. And maybe another 60mg of MDMA - things were a bit out of hand at this point so things are a bit sketchy!
It was a damp struggle getting back to the party in the dark and mud due to the intense overlaid open-eye visual effects (and endless aborted attempts to leave the safety of the car that would end in rambling conversations or fascination with interesting visual effects). We missed the headline act of the party. In fact, we missed most of the bands. Whoops.
Trying to get a drink at the bar I zoned right out and probably made a right twat of myself, I snapped out of a trance realising I must have just been ignoring the bar staff and gazing off into space while other punters prodded me asking if I was OK... The way 4-HO-MET comes and goes in effect - you can be fine one minute and totally off your rocker the next - is dangerous at these times! I sent other people to the bar on my behalf from this moment on.
I can't say for certain what the 2C-D added to the experience (dosed an extra 25mg some point later), except I didn't experience any significant come-down from the MDMA binge, and sat awake but happy for 6 hours after the party ended at T+10, watching the subtle but enjoyable heat-haze-like visual distortions of the trees and clouds around me and pondering life; this may have been placebo or comedown anyway but I attributed it to the 2C-D. I only mention the 2C-D here to say I survived the combination with no apparent side effects. Other people who took 25mg 2C-D reported not feeling anything from it, but they may have been expecting something different than I was.
Phew, if you made it this far, thanks for reading!
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I'm experienced with MDMA (100+ doses) at around 100-250mg levels which I normally find to be plenty for a great experience. Both at parties/clubs and at home with friends or lovers.
Pretty experienced (10+ trips) with 4-HO-MET at between 10 and 30mg - always very enjoyable shift in thought processes, visual patterning, shifting colours etc, with fairly consistent organic flowing CEVs. Both at parties and at home/in nature.
I've done low and medium-dose 2C-[B|I|C], LSD and mushrooms probably about 20 times.
I have never tried 2C-D before (not trying things for the first time in a combination is not recommended!)
Also a daily heavy cannabis smoker and moderate red wine drinker throughout all these experiences.
I've tried combining MDMA with 4-HO-MET twice before at low doses, either dosing both at the same or the 4-HO-MET first and the MDMA after. Both of those experiences were let-downs; not only were the effects mild in such a way that they were offputting, it they also seemed to make me feel very emotional and worried about recent interactions with friends. A lot to do with my Set at the time, and it would probably be useful in the right Setting of course, but not what you'd want at a party.
I'll also add that previous experiences with 200mg of MDMA and ~8mg 2C-B provided very little in the way of visuals - only a slight enhancement of colours, extra dreamyness and some very weak and grainy CEVs. (This is to compare with the MDMA+10mg 4-HO-MET combo effects further on)
This new recent experience was at a party at a secret rural location. I'm not going to describe the whole day/night as a lot of it is a blur, but I will focus on the primary effects of MDMA and 4-HO-MET as I couldn't find any reports of these in combination.
To start, I should say the day started with:
Lots of spliffs,
500mg choline citrate,
2g piracetam,
200mg Modafinil/Provigil,
some cups of tea,
a long drive to the campsite,
some light food and
a few glasses of red wine.
So then to the start of the party proper: 100mg of MDMA. Perhaps because of tolerance, the horrible weather or the unfamiliar surroundings, this didn't bring the expected 'lift off', so at T+1 dosed with a top-up of 60mg. At around T+1:30, dosed another 60mg and 10mg of 4-HO-MET.
The next hour was a blur of chatting to new friends on the same combination, although we were having some difficulty communicating due to poor short term memory, visual distraction and the intense open-eye kaleidoscope of patterns that replaced my friend's face when looking at him in shadow. Lots of other intense visual effects - writing appearing to wiggle and jump out of notice boards, oil-on-water effect colours playing over surfaces etc. Very nicely 'fucked', as the kids would say. Friendly but pretty intoxicated and disoriented. Gave away a lot of free drugs. This felt good.
Walking back to the car/tent in order to get more doses was troublesome in the dark and rain, as the shifting kaleidoscope patterns overlaid onto the vague outline of people, torches and muddy puddles. It also always felt like I had two other people standing at the periphery of my vision over my shoulder all the time, which was sometimes comforting (an audience for mine and my friend's jokes) and sometimes a little disconcerting ('what? i thought there were loads of us here'). Sitting in the car for a quiet moment with my eyes shut and head rested against the window, I took in the CEVs.. and found them to be the most intense I've ever experienced thus far. Instead of my more typical grainy ghosts of organic shapes, 'milkdrop of the mind' or flash-frames of scenes, these were full-colour, high-definition vector graphics containing abstract images, shapes with bevelled edges, designs and words, drawn by graphic designers and animated at 60fps by professionals. No emotional resonance or anything, but just very very pretty - I was taken aback how well the two synergised, but the party and socialising beckoned so I couldn't get deeper into these visuals. It occurred to me that perhaps these are more like DMT visuals, which I hope to be trying soon.
Before returning to the party (this is probably about 5 hours after the initial MDMA dose) I ate 25mg of 2C-D. And maybe another 60mg of MDMA - things were a bit out of hand at this point so things are a bit sketchy!
It was a damp struggle getting back to the party in the dark and mud due to the intense overlaid open-eye visual effects (and endless aborted attempts to leave the safety of the car that would end in rambling conversations or fascination with interesting visual effects). We missed the headline act of the party. In fact, we missed most of the bands. Whoops.
Trying to get a drink at the bar I zoned right out and probably made a right twat of myself, I snapped out of a trance realising I must have just been ignoring the bar staff and gazing off into space while other punters prodded me asking if I was OK... The way 4-HO-MET comes and goes in effect - you can be fine one minute and totally off your rocker the next - is dangerous at these times! I sent other people to the bar on my behalf from this moment on.
I can't say for certain what the 2C-D added to the experience (dosed an extra 25mg some point later), except I didn't experience any significant come-down from the MDMA binge, and sat awake but happy for 6 hours after the party ended at T+10, watching the subtle but enjoyable heat-haze-like visual distortions of the trees and clouds around me and pondering life; this may have been placebo or comedown anyway but I attributed it to the 2C-D. I only mention the 2C-D here to say I survived the combination with no apparent side effects. Other people who took 25mg 2C-D reported not feeling anything from it, but they may have been expecting something different than I was.
Phew, if you made it this far, thanks for reading!
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