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MDEA and ez-test xtreme

stardragon

stardragon

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Ok, so I got my new xtreme test in the mail today, and after seeing that I had a complete/correct kit this time, I happily sat down to play with it.
First I tested a known MDMA-only sample. It instantly all turned a very satifying royal blue colour.
Then I tested a known MDMA/MDEA mix. This reaction was slower. It started off with a light lavender colour, which gradually spread, and after about 30 seconds, speckles of the dark blue colour I'd seen in the pure MDMA reaction started to appear.
The two reactions were clearly very different in character. After a couple of minutes it was plain to see the light purple wasn't going to be turning dark blue all over any time soon. According to the instructions the same dark blue should appear for both chemicals. It wasn't just a light blue, it was definitely much redder than that.
Is it possible that the difference in colour of reaction had to do with the presence of MDEA, thus being a way to recognize it if you have it? Or is it more likely that the difference in reaction was because of other factors, such as the identity of binders/fillers or the quantitative amounts of active chemicals present in the pill? (These were both pill scrapings, neither was a loose powder. Although one pill was a harder press than the other, I made sure the scrapings being tested were crushed quite fine.)
If people would like I can try to get pictures of the reactions so you can see the difference in colour I'm talking about.
 
how did you know the pill was an MDMA/MDEA mix?
EZ-test X-treme cannot be used to differentiate between MDMA and MDEA.
 
Either
sm-677-versacce.jpg
from http://www.dancesafe.org/labtesting/pill-display.php?&limit=25&offset=150
(MDMA 2.3%, MDA 4.7%, MDEA 93.0%), or else
sm-672-versacce.jpg
from http://www.dancesafe.org/labtesting/pill-display.php?&limit=25&offset=175
(MDMA 50.0%, MDEA 50.0%). That's how I know.
Actually, as it turns out, I had it mixed up which was which and I now believe I had the mostly-MDEA one, rather than the 50/50 mix, which is the one I thought I had when I wrote the first post. I tried the Robadope test on it and didn't get a positive reaction for MDA, so it's possible it's a yet again different ratio, or that not enough MDA was present to give a positive test. Either way, the question pretty much stands:
I believe I have a pill that is predominantly MDEA and it gave a really different reaction than something I knew was MDMA only (again, lab test). I know you're not supposed to be able to distinguish between the two with a Simon's test. That's why I was asking, do people think the difference in reaction had to be due to something else (chem. composition of binder, amount in mgs of active substance, etc), or is it just maybe possible to distinguish by colour?
Ok, here's pictures. These aren't the greatest, they were taken with a webcam since I don't have a digital camera. Here's the test of MDEA-plus-whatever by itself:
compare3.jpg

Here's where I scraped in a bit of the MDMA-only sample. The colour difference is pretty visible, it's the big blue thing at bottom right, and also the spot at bottom left where a flake of it flew when I was scraping. To my eyes the MDEA one looks very lavender/pink compared to the clear blue of the MDMA.
compare1.jpg

Might be just natural variation in the reaction? Do you think it would affect it if I scraped from the inside of the pill rather than the outside?
[ 29 March 2002: Message edited by: stardragon ]
 
i would guess a higher content of the active material might explain this?
i.e. was the mdma pill much stronger?
the reaction was a lot more blue than purple maybe because there was more to react with?
 
*blinks* ok, i know i replied to this earlier and i could swear the post was here, but...
Possible. I know the MDMA pill was a sizable dose, I would say at least 100 mg and estimate maybe 120, of course I have no way to really know that except by comparing it with the times I've had weighed MDMA powder. I really have no way of knowing how much was in the MDEA test subject, since I have no other experiences to compare it to, especially not with powder MDEA which would obviously be the most useful for quantitative guesses. It certainly felt weaker than a good MDMA pill, but then MDEA is supposed to do that.
I guess we'll never know. Ah well. I'm glad I have a complete test kit anyway :)
 
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