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MDAI+5-Meo-DALT Combination Question

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MDAI and 5-MeO-DALT

Hello! I was wondering if anyone can speculate any problems that may occur with MDAI and 5 MEO DALT together.
My plan is to use MDAI and let that do it's thing for a while, at least 2 hours- 3 hours after dose. Then to do a dab 20-30mg of 5 MEO DALT to kick in some nice visuals and euphoria.
Personally when I use 5 MEO DALT sublingually it kicks in within 5 minutes and feels like a solid caffeine buzz with a bit more euphoria, empathatic music amplification, slight welcomed visuals and a mild psychedelic mind frame. It has never given me any heart or vaso changes always a normal BPM, even at higher doses which I have learnt are pointless.
I used 5 MEO DALT with the tail end ish of a 6-APB stroll. This brought AMAZING face melting visuals and a brilliant sense of warmth and love. Then it was ended with etizolam at some point.
As MDAI is a serotonin releaser and nothing else it pretty much sucks(ish) without a combination of booze or caffeine or something more on the mundane scale of drugs. However with 5 MEO DALT I feel it could bring the trip/stroll into depth and fun. I read on a post somewhere in the archive that a someone has tried this combo and experienced heavy heart issues. Strong tachycardia and vasoconstriction. I'm guessing the irregular heart beat would have been the problem with the tachycardia rather than the tachycardia. Medically speaking?
I would have a donkey dozing amount of etizolam at hand if anything got bad. I always have an amount of etiz whenever I use anything that affects my heart, general bloodwork and brain. IE most drugs.
So does anyone have a speculation or experience with this combo!
Many thanks
 
As far as monoaminergic drugs go MDAI would be one of the softest to combine with 5-MeO-DALT which does not mix well with actual stimulants. So that is a plus.
But it could be overly serotonergic so I would certainly cut down on the MDAI dose the most and consider the experience of the combination to mostly the 5-MeO-DALT doing its thing with MDAI being the seasoning that amplifies things here and there.
With most combinations reducing the normal dose is standard practice but like I said I would reduce the MDAI even more when taking it for a spin, if it really does not do it justice adjust next time.
You really don't want to sit in a puddle of your own sweat asking yourself if the serotonin dancing around in your nervous system isn't a bit much.
 
Ah brilliant reply! Thank you. MDAI does seem like it's usefulness lives in amplification or mixing. Anyway whenever I get round to giving it a go I'll post a trip report. (-=
 
PandaGun said:
I used 5 MEO DALT with the tail end ish of a 6-APB stroll. This brought AMAZING face melting visuals and a brilliant sense of warmth and love.
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interesting.... to what extent did it change your headstate?, ie was it just eye candy or were you 'tripping' ?
 
have mixed them, about 50mgs mdai and vaped the dalt a few times.

Very strong body buzz, maybe even too much. I was shivering so bad, I had to put clothes on, go under blankets, then finally take a warm bath. I felt cold in my bones, if that makes sense. After that wore off, then it was quite OK.

As always, take any new substance by itself first, and cut your doses when mixing chems until you are experienced with the combo.
 
mahoosive bendah said:
interesting.... to what extent did it change your headstate?, ie was it just eye candy or were you 'tripping' ?
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Definite increase in euphoria and I believe it was just mainly eye candy. It's hard to remember what state my head was in. Definitely different to the 6-APB but still with a 'rolling/rushing' feel. It happened very quickly due to the sublingual use. e.g There is Christy's head and he is smiling. 5 Seconds later now it's smiling malevolently and burning in orange and would be the best fx for a movie money could buy.
 
So I am about to have two grams of MDAI and 5-Meo-DALT freebase on the way. I plan on trying each one by themselves first but once I get the feel for their effects individually I would like to try a combination of the two to hopefully achieve an MDMA like high. Would this be safe to do? What would you recommend the dosage for each of the two substances be? Thanks!

Pariahprose
 
you should rather rephrase your objective aiming for a worthwhile experience, I find it hard to believe with a tryptamine in the mix, the 5-meo-dalt, it will be anything mdma like. But could be a interesting combo to bad my gram of 5-meo-dalt is still untouched so I have no experience with that either same goes for mdai.

There are however some combo's that come to mind that could have some of that mdma in it.
 
I'll assume you want to take these orally. There is plenty of information on dosing them by themselves, but when combining them you will want to cut your dose of each in half, at least. I have experience with these two separately, but not combined. I'd imagine the synergy between the two would work very well, but you won't get the rushes like mdma. You will feel a nice body buzz, auditory hallucinations, increased musical appreciation, mild stimulation, closed eye visuals, mild to moderate euphoria. You *may* have mild body tremors/trembling/shaking, feel cold or hot flashes, and stomach discomfort or the muchies. Oral doses of 5meodalt gives me endless munchies but others sometimes complain of cramping or discomfort. Personally, if I were combining the two, I'd take the mdai orally @75% dose and smoke a bit of the DALT on top of some cannabis. That'll give you a rush for sure.
 
I don't think this mix would be anything remotely resembling MDMA in any form really. You'd be better off mixing the MDAI with a dopaminergic stimulant of some kind.

Also it's worth bearing in mind that 5-MeO-DiPT and 5-MeO-MiPT are SRIs which is potentially what gives them the entactogenic body high they both have. 5-MeO-DALT also has an entactogenic body high and given that along with the structural similarities it wouldn't surprise me if this was the case here too.

Combining SRIs and SRAs usually leads to notably reduced effects so you might actually be killing some of that feel-good body high rather than improving it.
 
The question was asked before >> merged threads, so read some additional views. :)
 
I tried a strong dose of MDMA with a small dose of 5 meo dalt. Something felt off so i allowed it for a while. Got me more speeeeeeedy but then felt too much for me so I aborted it with Etiz.
 
Why do you want to experiment with these 2 mediocre chemicals? I can't imagine you've tried all the worthwhile substances which are available.
 
Errrr cos the question was raised by Pariahprose and I and so we are trying to deduce the outcome. The idealistic outcome would be a nice roll with some psychedelic magic. It's all research man. The more documented the better for future users.
I rate your bad ass ness for trying worthwhile substances. Seriously man ratings.
 
Ok I have searched everywhere but I can't find anything on combining mdma with 5 meo dalt so has anyone tried it and is it safe? I'm not gonna be taking it til I start feeling I'm coming down from the E so basically when its nearly worn of I will bomb some 5md hopefully this will boost the E back up again making for a longer buzz.
 
Did you intend to write MDMA or MDAI..

I have had incredible ecstacy once in the 90's at a rave.. I had researched it recently and believe it is mdma. Please correct me if i am wrong. .. AMAZING euphoria.. self love and love for others.. I have never forgotten it..
So if you have MDMA if cant think of anything else you need to add. Again I only did it once so perhaps it becomes less effective..

If I where to get MDAI.. Would it be good to take Serotonin or 5http pills just before taking the MDAI or should that be done days in advance.. I will research but seems like a smart group and would like a answer from personal experience if possible.. Also i am reading adderall gives the best added effect.. Now perhaps MDAI with 5 meo dalt and some adderall would rock.. I take adderall every day as prescribed anyways. Well I may be the guinie pig on two of the three but all three would be a wild or hellish day and not sure i will be trying without some good responses.. I appreciated the ideas shared. lowering the MDAI does seem to make sense..There is always another day if I play safe..Not so safe if I go all in.. :)





deano88 said:
Ok I have searched everywhere but I can't find anything on combining mdma with 5 meo dalt so has anyone tried it and is it safe? I'm not gonna be taking it til I start feeling I'm coming down from the E so basically when its nearly worn of I will bomb some 5md hopefully this will boost the E back up again making for a longer buzz.
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Possible triple stack.

I am not suggesting anyone try it but I am interested..

50mg MDAI serotonin releaser
20mg 5 Meo dalt. More seratonin plus some visuals..
10 mg adderall.. For speediness mdai and 5 Meo dalt are lacking..

I have never used either MDAI or 5 meo dalt but do take adderall daily.

If someone did try this pershaps a-pvt could substitute for adderall.. I do see MPA being added to MDAI. Perhaps that is the best choice or a way to get rid of something people are not buying? Not sure about any of it but its interesting

Also I read that serotonin should be taken after using MDAI and not before..




PandaGun said:
Errrr cos the question was raised by Pariahprose and I and so we are trying to deduce the outcome. The idealistic outcome would be a nice roll with some psychedelic magic. It's all research man. The more documented the better for future users.
I rate your bad ass ness for trying worthwhile substances. Seriously man ratings.
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I agree completely.. I will not argue that mixing RC's is full of danger and most likely the dumbest thing we could do.. Non the less people have and will continue to do so. I believe we serve our fellow researchers when we document in detail what we find.
If only I could find a place that does all that and speaks about the vendors and quality of product. I have no way of knowing if any of what they sell is what it is supposed to be.. Do you.. If so please share how that is done.
 
rugoingplaces said:
I have never used either MDAI or 5 meo dalt but do take adderall daily.
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It's reckless to take a compound in combination before trying it on its own.

If someone did try this pershaps a-pvt could substitute for adderall..
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Perhaps partially. MDAI + a DA releaser is a dead-ringer for MDMA for many people. Combination with a reuptake inhibitor isn't as close but will also less likely be neurotoxic. a-pvp is generally quite poorly tolerated, a la MDPV, so combination with MDAI might just yield a less anxiogenic, fiendy stimulation.

Also I read that serotonin should be taken after using MDAI and not before..
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Do you mean 5htp? Serotonin does not cross the BBB and is thus not something people 'take'. Yeah, 5htp is best as a post-load, I guess because successive daily supplementation could potentially downregulate 5ht receptors, which will hinder your ability to 'roll'.
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A semi-recent study found 5-meo-dalt to act as a reuptake inhibitor at SERT and NET ("The effects of non-medically used psychoactive drugs
on monoamine neurotransmission in rat brain", Nagai et al. 2006). I would thus expect it to either attenuate the effects of MDAI or cause an increased incidence of side-effects; not worthwhile.

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