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MDA anyday baby...



(i welcome the darkside visuals, and i ride out every comedown with ease because i have respect for it, and i am prepared for it...)
 
well excuse me lionheart but when i take ex i am looking for the mdma i mean mda is alright its better then alot of drugs but i prefer the mdma.
 
MDMA vs MDA - how can you tell?

I want to know if there is an easy way to tell the difference just by the effects......There are some discussions of the differences in terms of the effects on the brain, metabolism, breakdown, etc..... but I am wondering: how can you tell the difference for you personally?

The reason I ask is cuz I took 2 pills this weekend, and had a weird experience: we dropped, hung out for a bit, and then decided to take a walk.....as soon as we were about 50 feet away from the house I started to feel really nervous/anxious and wanted to go back. I looked at the moon and it had a big fuzzy glow around it, but no other visuals.

Anyway, we got back and I sat on the bed and started to feel depressed...I was having some negative thoughts like "my life is not turning out too good"....etc.....(btw, I am not a depressive person, and my life is turning out great, and I am usually sickeningly upbeat, so much so that my friends make fun of me)

I started to feel a little better after laying on the bed with my eyes closed for a while.... the rest of the night was ok...felt a little *trippy*, not really loved up, pupils were dilated, but not as much as usual. Also, did not feel too speedy -- NO jaw clenching at all, which is usually a big thing for me.

So my question is? Was it MDA? do these effects sound like something else? I have never felt anything but fantastic/loved up/optimistic on MDMA....

also, no heart racing either...

thanks for any comments
 
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Mdma vs mda
MDMA; MDM; ADAM; ECSTASY; 3,4-METHYLENEDIOXY-N-METHYLAMPHETAMINE-SYNTHESIS:
(from MDA) A solution of 6.55 g of 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA) as the free base and 2.8 mL formic acid in 150 mL benzene was held at reflux under a Dean Stark trap until no further H2O was generated (about 20 h was sufficient, and 1.4 mL H2O was collected). Removal of the solvent gave an 8.8 g of an amber oil which was dissolved in 100 mL CH2Cl2, washed first with dilute HCl, then with dilute NaOH, and finally once again with dilute acid. The solvent was removed under vacuum giving 7.7 g of an amber oil that, on standing, formed crystals of N-formyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine. An alternate process for the synthesis of this amide involved holding at reflux for 16 h a solution of 10 g of MDA as the free base in 20 mL fresh ethyl formate. Removal of the volatiles yielded an oil that set up to white crystals, weighing 7.8 g.

A solution of 7.7 g N-formyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine in 25 mL anhydrous THF was added dropwise to a well stirred and refluxing solution of 7.4 g LAH in 600 mL anhydrous THF under an inert atmosphere. The reaction mixture was held at reflux for 4 days. After being brought to room temperature, the excess hydride was destroyed with 7.4 mL H2O in an equal volume of THF, followed by 7.4 mL of 15% NaOH and then another 22 mL H2O. The solids were removed by filtration, and the filter cake washed with additional THF. The combined filtrate and washes were stripped of solvent under vacuum, and the residue dissolved in 200 mL CH2Cl2. This solution was extracted with 3x100 mL dilute HCl, and these extracts pooled and made basic with 25% NaOH. Extraction with 3x75 mL CH2Cl2 removed the product, and the pooled extracts were stripped of solvent under vacuum. There was obtained 6.5 g of a nearly white residue which was distilled at 100-110 ° C at 0.4 mm/Hg to give 5.0 g of a colorless oil. This was dissolved in 25 mL IPA, neutralized with concentrated HCl, followed by the addition of sufficient anhydrous Et2O to produce a lasting turbidity. On continued stirring, there was the deposition of fine white crystals of 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine hydrochloride (MDMA) which were removed by filtration, washed with Et2O, and air dried, giving a final weight of 4.8 g.


MDMA is better and stronger, thus a different way to make it

PLUR

Yeah, ok, so I got this....thats my point though....this means nothing to me! Is there a reliable way to tell the difference just in the physical/psychological effects?
 
It's hard to describe really but I'll give it a shot.

At low doses (It doesn't sound like you had a high dose of either) they are hard to tell apart. You need to actually come up properly to be able to notice much of a difference, I find. For this reason I will talk about higher doses.

MDA: Generally noted for being more "trippy" than MDMA. You are more likely to get open eye hallucinations, such as seeing something and then when you look again, it's not there. I tend to find that there is much more of a change in perception. For example instead of everything looking pretty much the same, whereever you are takes on a sort of foreign feel. I also tend to gurn a lot more on MDA and by that point there is usually loads of random, meaningless bollocks flying through my head aswell, which is quite fun. My mind races a lot on MDA. I also tend to say things that don't make any sense, and forget what I've just said.

MDMA: For me this is a bit of a lighter experience. Comes on in little rushes and waves and if I do enough feels pretty similiar to MDA. Before that stage however, you tend to get loved up, trip lest often, more of a clear head space (although still fucked), everything around you sort of looks pretty much the same (untill you've had quite a bit and a few hours later) it's just that you feel different. Less of a gurn, comedown approaches quicker whereas with MDA you seem to "think" you're sober yet can't string a thought together and are still tripping hours after dropping.

I'd say no one could really tell what you took, but it doesn't sound like a high dose if it was either. I'm sure that after doing MDMA a few times, when you get hold of some MDA you will know.

The moon has a fuzzy glow about it anyway, I suppose that a small dose might still change that slightly or make it more apparent.

It sounds to me like you didn't come up properly, probably shit pills. Sometimes when I've not came up properly it's made me feel a bit anxious and shit. Maybe that's what you meant by feeling depressed?

They don't sound like classic MDA effects, not high dose anyway. I think that a high dose of either would certainly not have caused an experienced like the one you just described.
 
Then again if you're using pills without using lab equipment to test. That MDMA pill you have might not just be MDMA.. Could have a bunch of derivitives that accidently got made dureing synthesis.. It could also contain small or large amounts of MDEA, MDA which really makes the experience people think is "rolling"... I';ve had MDA pills that probably had at least some MDMA in them too... So you cant really note the exact diofferences without treying the pure product.
 
^ yes, so any questions that ask "was this pill MDMA" or "did i have MDA?" while interesting to ponder, are ultimately useless

my trip report is based on pure samples of both MDA and MDMA, so i think it's as exact as a subjective explanation of the differences can be.
 
You probably just had the wrong thoughts at the wrong moment and your trip went wrong. I've had that before, too. set & setting influence more than you think with MDXX substances

MDA: more psychedelic, since the time I took mushrooms I can compare them to MDA in allot of ways; confusing - anxious comeup, somewhat or heaps less love(I get irritated allot on MDA by people), longer duration(also coming in waves, like mushrooms), CEV's, OEV's at high doses(nothing spectacular, unless you're also tired and/or had other drugs), less serious and more funny than MDMA(also mushroom like), much more abuseable(not so much loss of magic).
It's much less consistent effects than MDMA. Worse hangover too, especially as you use more and more ; with MDMA the day after I'm always good, even with 500+ mg MDMA. Didn't dare to try that with MDA yet.
Redosing is also better with MDA than with MDMA. In term of strength of effects, I mean. The side-effects increase too.
 
well....I can tell you a couple more things about the experience....we waited 3 days, then took another one. Again, my BF was feeling pretty good, singing and dancing around and smiling big, and I got PISSED OFF! I was so mad that I had not come up and he had...never been mad on e before. But, I took another and then felt pretty good! talkative and fairly happy. I think the set/setting thing is underrated....

Then, the next day all was well, we were both feeling good, congratulating ourselves on such a fun vacation (still feeling a little high) - then the next day was hell..worst hangover Ive ever had in terms of feeling stupid as sh*t, brain in a complete fog, just moping around and unable to think.

so, this has been a good thread, although I realize that a lot of it has been covered in other threads before. Thanks for all the input. Im definatley gonna get a testing kit, although I hear they cant tell the diff between MDMA and MDA anyway, is that right?
 
Tranced, could of not said it better myself. Seems if you get a decent dose they are similer, therefore it's sometimes hard to tell. On the other hand I can always tell because:

MDMA - You come down gradually and have an almost refreshing feeling, or a kinda sadness sometimes, like your sad it's over. It does end quite abruptly sometimes, and when it ends, it just ends.

MDA - Very similer in a lot of ways. Seeing stuff out of the corner of your eye, then look and it is not there, is a perfect example of knowing you got MDA. That is how I can tell right away. Also the comedown is exactly that. You can't seem to get a thought across, and kinda trippy, spaced out. On it though, it is sometimes hard to tell. Thats the bummer...
 
I can tell if you are on MDA. The "wavies" never go away. Some of you know what I'm talking about.
 
i took 400mG of MDA and saw my jacket floating and talking to me... even when i touched it , it was still there, then i looked out the window and 3 guys where stealing my car. i called 911 and told them i had a alien life form in my jacket and 3 mexicians where stealing my car, and also mentioned some non-sence like " they already got the bumper off with the shovel and hung up" police came and lucky my parents totally covered for me saying i havent slept in 3 days doing my university exams and was just not all there cause i was drinking as well. even when i was standing outside infront of the cop i looked at my car and a mexcian was sitting in the passenger seat, i just decided to be quite and relised i was seeing shit and nothing was happening.
 
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