Mda/mde/mdma

[tony serro]

I just wanted to know is there a test kit out there that can tell the difference between MDA/MDMA/MDE and related chemicals?

 

[severely etarded]

the simon's and marquis reagents can tell you if the substance is either mdea/mdma or mda, but as far is distinguishing between mdea and mdma, there is none. robadope reagent will react to mda, because it is a primary amine compound, and simon's reagent will react to secondary amines (mdma/mdea)

 

[760rollz]

Testing sequences

the simon's and marquis reagents can tell you if the substance is either mdea/mdma or mda, but as far is distinguishing between mdea and mdma, there is none. robadope reagent will react to mda, because it is a primary amine compound, and simon's reagent will react to secondary amines (mdma/mdea)

Is this to say that you will not get a positive test for an MDxx substance when using robadope unless its an MDA pill, and that you will not test positive for an MDxx substance from the simons unless it's an MDMA or MDEA pill? And if this is true then if you first use the marquis reagent to test your pill and it goes to black with no other colors being present you can then use the robadope and or the simons to distinguish with a relatively good certainty that your pill is either an MDA pill or an MDMA/MDEA? And if this is true, then would a mixed MDMA, MDA pill react to all three reagents?

 

[phase_dancer]

Yes

 

[severely etarded]

yep

 

[760rollz]

Time to invest in more kits lol.

 

[severely etarded]

also, a mdma/dextroamphetamine pill would react to all three also. same with an mda/methamphetamine

 

[Bearlove]

Didnt the chart that came with Marquis in the late 90's have a different colour chart for these three things

Black / Purple / Blue - why was that scrapped?

 

[RavenousBlonde]

Didnt the chart that came with Marquis in the late 90's have a different colour chart for these three things

Black / Purple / Blue - why was that scrapped?

Yes, I remember that chart, but don't know why it was scrapped.

 

[tony serro]

So if robadope only reacts with mda it will determine 100% for sure that that substance is mda?

 

[severely etarded]

no it could be a lot of things, dextroamphetamine(prescription adderall), DOC, DOB, even PMA. but those chemicals react differently than mdma to the marquis, mecke, and mandelin reagents.

 

[Ekstasis-//7]

Originally posted by Tony Serro

I just wanted to know is there a test kit out there that can tell the difference between MDA/MDMA/MDE and related chemicals?

Yes. It's called EZ Extreme. It contains Marquis, Simons & Robadope. Telling if there is MDA in the pill/powder is fairly straight forward with Robadope. Worth noting is that MDA reacts a little stronger with more of a red or light brown than amphetamine. Both are a very small/weak reactions compared to all the other reagent reactions. Most 2C-x substances react a dark purple to robadope and so are not easily confused with MDA or amphetamine. I wonder if the DOx substances also react dark purple black? Telling if you have MDEA or MDMA is a bit more advanced. Please check this guide I wrote: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=427728 It is probably a good idea you read this guide first as as if your MDxx pill contains speed this will react first and you don't want it throwing you off your MDMA / MDEA testing times. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=427733



Originally posted by Bearlove

Didnt the chart that came with Marquis in the late 90's have a different colour chart for these three things

Black / Purple / Blue - why was that scrapped?

Originally Posted by RavenousBlonde

Yes, I remember that chart, but don't know why it was scrapped.

This link I posted above contains the Original '97 Marquis Chart http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=427728 As for why it was simplified to just show dark purple to black for ecstasy or ecstasy like substances (in short MDxx) please look at this link for an explanation:
http://ez-test.com.au/faq.htm#q6

 

[Fjones]

So, the robadope reaction to MDA is supposed to be slow and weak? This makes testing a red/pink sample a bit tricky.

I didn't know adderal reacts with Robadope. Maybe I'll try that just to see what the reaction looks like.

Edit -- I tried it and there was no reaction. I KNOW the adderall is real, so what's the deal?

 

[severely etarded]

that's really strange since dextroamphetamine is a primary amine. odd. are you testing a time release ball? if so you need to crush it then test... if not idk

 

[Fjones]

I tested a blue 10 MG pill of adderral, to the best of my knowldge, it was not a time release. It reacted with the marquis.

 

[phase_dancer]

Edit -- I tried it and there was no reaction. I KNOW the adderall is real, so what's the deal?

Robadope is a modified Simons reagent. Unfortunately it is also quite a bit less sensitive.

 

[BaybeX]

dextroamphetamine(prescription adderall)

Dextroamp is not Adderall. It is Dexedrine.
Adderall = a mix of dextroamp and racemic DL amphetamine salts

 

[yngvae2]

actually mandelin can distinguish between mde/mdea and mdma but its hard to tell. need good lighting. they look almost the same in the chart but still different.