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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

Cheshire_Kat said:
I'm not anti-regulation. I agree about the Swiss.

I owned a gun when I lived in a rural area and know how to handle them. I don't own one in Chicago.

Something else is at play. I think several other posters were making sense when they pointed to societal break downs and am just trying to encourage a discussion about possible solutions.

Here's a quick thought:

The way that single mother's get paid right now encourages broken families. The father must not be present because if he is, payments stop. I suggest that this is actually counter productive to society at large and that this restriction should be removed so that fathers are encouraged to be around to raise his child(ren).
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If you go perusing the profiles of all U.S. serial killers of the 20th century, you'll find some mention of the psychological profile put together at Quantico and that they all grew up in environments where either the father was absent or the mother was the "dominant" parent.

But there's no point in trying to discuss the implications of this.
 
thujone said:
If you go perusing the profiles of all U.S. serial killers of the 20th century, you'll find some mention of the psychological profile put together at Quantico and that they all grew up in environments where either the father was absent or the mother was the "dominant" parent.

But there's no point in trying to discuss the implications of this.
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Interestingly the vast majority of serial killers in the US operated between 1970-2000 which is when gun violence also really started to take off. In fact the term 'serial killer' wasn't even invented until the 70s.

I was thinking earlier about this issue. Absent/abusive fathers have been around forever. I'm curious if there's any data on this going back further in time. The "drunk abusive father" seems to be a common trope going back infinitely in time.

I've coincidentally been watching a lot of serial killer stuff. The one main commonality that seems to tie most together is psychopathy, they have different brains. Ted Bundy, Wayne Gacy, Ted Kaczynski, Times Square Killer, etc, all had present fathers who weren't abusive either. They're just psychopaths.

But there's pretty large differences between serial killers and mass murder. Mass murderers typically want/plan to get caught or die in the act. Serial killers don't.
 
US only has 5% of the worlds population... yet has 25% of all imprisoned people in the whole world... and touts itself as the land of the free. Slavery was never abolished, it was only extended to include all the races and relabeled the prison system. Simultaneously many people in this country complain about too soft of prison sentences.

Bit unrelated... or is it?

This whole country is extremes. There is really nothing normal about this country.

They are now "leasing out" prisoners for labor. They work for 4 cents per hour. Literally slavery.

Maybe it's the SYSTEM ITSELF that is breaking people to the point of mass shootings.

www.theatlantic.com

American Slavery, Reinvented

The Thirteenth Amendment forbade slavery and involuntary servitude, “except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.”
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Snafu in the Void said:
US only has 5% of the worlds population... yet has 25% of all imprisoned people in the whole world... and touts itself as the land of the free. Slavery was never abolished, it was only extended to include all the races and relabeled the prison system. Simultaneously many people in this country complain about too soft of prison sentences.

Bit unrelated... or is it?

This whole country is extremes. There is really nothing normal about this country.

They are now "leasing out" prisoners for labor. They work for 4 cents per hour. Literally slavery.

Maybe it's the SYSTEM ITSELF that is breaking people to the point of mass shootings.

www.theatlantic.com

American Slavery, Reinvented

The Thirteenth Amendment forbade slavery and involuntary servitude, “except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.”
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
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Yep. There's a Margaret Atwood novel which uses the US prison system as a major part of the dystopia. People talk about The Handmaid's Tale but this book is much more relevant..


Stan and Charmaine are a married couple trying to stay afloat in the midst of an economic and social collapse. Job loss has forced them to live in their car, leaving them vulnerable to roving gangs. They desperately need to turn their situation around - and fast. The Positron Project in the town of Consilience seems to be the answer to their prayers. No one is unemployed and everyone gets a comfortable, clean house to live in... For six months out of the year. On alternating months, residents of Consilience must leave their homes and function as inmates in the Positron prison system. Once their month of service in the prison is completed, they can return to their "civilian" homes.

At first, this doesn't seem like too much of a sacrifice to make in order to have a roof over one's head and food to eat. But when Charmaine becomes romantically involved with the man who lives in their house during the months when she and Stan are in the prison, a series of troubling events unfolds, putting Stan's life in danger. With each passing day, Positron looks less like a prayer answered and more like a chilling prophecy fulfilled.


www.goodreads.com

The Heart Goes Last

Margaret Atwood puts the human heart to the ultimate te…
www.goodreads.com www.goodreads.com
 
So the cops waited outside the school while the crazed gunman was murdering children.
But one of the arguments for increased gun control is that "you don't need a gun, the police will protect you".
So there goes that argument out the window. Average response time for police is over 10 minutes.

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Jerry Atrick said:
These "slippery slope" theories are all hypothetical. Kinda like the anti-gay marriage people who claimed it would lead to laws eventually being passed that would allow folks to marry animals.

Besides, it has been shown that Clinton's 1994 to 2004 assault rifle ban was effective to a certain degree. This graph shows from 2005-2017 and I think mass shootings have prolly increased exponentially since 2017.

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I think the best thing to note here is the Pre-ban numbers! The guns existed and there were still low "mass killings". Also note that the very definition of "mass shooting" is Vague as a mf'er, with "certain people" having a reason to inflate the numbers after the Clinton ban was put down! A better solution exists than what is being proposed with so much prevalence.

Ask yourself: Why do we guard our Traffic Courts better than we guard our schools? Metal Detectors, Armed Guards, and Security Doors on our schools will do more to stop ALL school shootings... not JUST the ones where the shooter uses a "assault" or "mean-looking" weapon!

A ban on the AR15 won't stop some kid with a pistol in his/her waistband and a backpack full of ammo, from just going to class as usual and launching an attack from there! But Metal Detectors with Guards WILL! Our Courts and Airports exist under the same conditions of "assault weapons in society" as our schools do. Yet our Unguarded schools don't do nearly as well in terms of mass shooter incidents as our Guarded airports and courts do! Coincidence?? I think not...

It seems though that people reject the Guarding Schools approach simply because it renders a gun ban Unnecessary...and they simply won't stand for THAT.
 
Would anyone here put a "Gun Free Zone" sign on the front of their house?

Your answer is: no I wouldn't, that would make me a target.

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