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Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread

Mjäll said:
There are two kinds of solution:

1. Better laws
2. Better people

Banning guns is not a better law, since it's obviously totalitarian.

Population IQ is often overlooked.

Better law is downstream from better people so actually that's the only major one...

So, what can any single person do about this? Be as good a person as possible. Banning guns and thus being a totalitarian anti-intellectual defeatist coward of course has nothing to do with being a good person.
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I don't think anyone in this thread is saying "ban guns." The OP mentioned military-style assault rifles. These types of guns, while making up a small percentage of the types of firearms available, unfortunately make up a larger proportion of the types of weapons used in mass shootings like that just happened in Buffalo. I think @Negentropic offered some other good viable solutions as well like universal background checks, longer waiting periods, licensing and renewals, etc.

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And I know it's a favorite cliche for the 2A fanatics to say, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."....

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Negentropic said:
I would support a ban and seizure on assault rifles like Clinton did.

But... What about all those people with stolen and illegal ones?? What about 3d printers?

No solution there. Also half the country would revolt 😳

But people who champion Rittenhouse are fucking morons
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For clarification, assault rifles were never seized under Clinton. There is a huge difference between banning the sale of and seizing a particular class of firearms.

Also there is a loophole where private sellers don't have to require a yellow form to be submitted from a buyer. I think that needs to change as well.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Yeah for sure, no one is that accurate. It's horrific how quickly these kids can kill so many people...

But that's the operative word there, 'kids'. We need to get guns out of the hands of kids. Yeah, some mass shooters are full adults, middle-aged men who went whacko. But these past two years of the epidemic, seems to be just a lot of teenagers killing people, just because they're angry for whatever reason, and see no future for themselves.

How do we help these angry kids in feeling like there's a bright future ahead for them? I can barely keep myself from the depths of nihilism... so I don't have the answers for that. But I sure am glad I'm not a racist asshat who thinks the answer is to kill strangers. I can't even fathom what they think they're achieving by killing strangers. They're certainly not inspiring a 'white revolt' against minorities. Charles Manson tried to kick off a race war and failed hard... but people keep doing it, 50+ years later.

The racial aspect, like the El Paso shooter too... Idk what to do about that. Ban Tucker Carlson perhaps?
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While I know you aren't blaming video games, I think this meme speaks volumes at one way these kids are being indoctrinated by their parents to go all in on the radical obsession of firearms that is prevalent in the religious right. I'm not saying a few guns can't be owned for sporting and self defense purposes but this shit is just ridiculous...

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Emotion is a powerful thing, and rules the thinking of half the population. This Thinking causes folx to over look the fact that AR style rifles cause an extremely small percentage of gun deaths. Why can’t the establishment just be honest and say they want to ban guns. Only the 20% of true believers think the second amendment is for hunting/sports, even after seeing Australia fall so quickly to authoritarianism where the population is relatively unarmed.
 
Jerry Atrick said:
While I know you aren't blaming video games, I think this meme speaks volumes at one way these kids are being indoctrinated by their parents to go all in on the radical obsession of firearms that is prevalent in the religious right. I'm not saying a few guns can't be owned for sporting and self defense purposes but this shit is just ridiculous...

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It's damn weird when people celebrate firearm ownership with their family like in those photos. I've never met anyone who'd take a Christmas photo like that...

I do think that licensing could be a great move in the right direction. As a LTC holder I find it insane that state governments are moving towards unlicensed carry. I had to go through training and get my fingerprints ran by the FBI to get a LTC and I think that's what everyone should have to do to qualify for buying a gun.

I don't know how the Buffalo shooter's basic background check passed, considering he was institutionalized for a day or two a year before when he said he would shoot up the school. I think in the end, like with that kid who shot up his high school a few months ago, the burden here falls on the failure of his parents, the school system, and the criminal justice system. If he had to be 21 to buy a rifle he couldn't have committed this crime, or at least it would be harder. If he had to be fingerprinted, the prior violent ideation reasoning for his institutionalizing might have blocked his purchase.

I'm honestly an avid proponent of 2A rights, and I own weapons that are illegal in the more liberal states. And I'd be very upset if any bans on any type of weapon were to occur because I simply believe in absolute freedom for those who aren't violent nutjobs. But I will always support stringent background checks. I don't think that private person to person sales should be legal without a background check either. If I ever sell any of my firearms it would be either to a trusted friend or to a licensed dealer to ensure they wouldn't end up in the hands of a criminal.

I think it would really go a long way to simply require licensing/full background checks and bump the age for purchases up to 21 y/o. Couple that with greater burdens upon parents who own guns/buy guns for their sons, and I think it would reduce these occurrences significantly.
 
Dropperneck said:
Emotion is a powerful thing, and rules the thinking of half the population. This Thinking causes folx to over look the fact that AR style rifles cause an extremely small percentage of gun deaths. Why can’t the establishment just be honest and say they want to ban guns. Only the 20% of true believers think the second amendment is for hunting/sports, even after seeing Australia fall so quickly to authoritarianism where the population is relatively unarmed.
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I'd like to hear some Aussies on BL weigh in on this topic considering the amount of mass shootings they have or don't have versus a so-called authoritarian govt.
 
The problem with banning "assault-style" weapons is that there will Always be some "next-best" or "next-most-dangerous" weapon. If they ban AK's and AR's, will all would-be mass shooters just magically "become better people"?? No. They would simply just use the next best thing to accomplish their crime! Consider that a lowly hunting 12 gauge shotgun can fire 15 approximately 9mm-sized projectiles With EACH Pull of the trigger! In a crowded school cafeteria for instance that could be pretty destructive. And in a world where AR's are already banned and the devastation continues... it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to see them using the same "anti-assault-rifle rationale" to then ban shotguns!
Or larger magazines on pistols.
Or owning more than one low-capacity magazines.
Or more than one pistol.
And then, the rate of fire with a simple lever action hunting rifle can be pretty rapid! And the power of those rifles greatly exceed that of the so-called assault rifles.

Banning the weapons is no solution. Perhaps Education is the answer. Because for these mass killings to stop, we need to Be Better People!
 
Antghost313 said:
The problem with banning "assault-style" weapons is that there will Always be some "next-best" or "next-most-dangerous" weapon. If they ban AK's and AR's, will all would-be mass shooters just magically "become better people"?? No. They would simply just use the next best thing to accomplish their crime! Consider that a lowly hunting 12 gauge shotgun can fire 15 approximately 9mm-sized projectiles With EACH Pull of the trigger! In a crowded school cafeteria for instance that could be pretty destructive. And in a world where AR's are already banned and the devastation continues... it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to see them using the same "anti-assault-rifle rationale" to then ban shotguns!
Or larger magazines on pistols.
Or owning more than one low-capacity magazines.
Or more than one pistol.
And then, the rate of fire with a simple lever action hunting rifle can be pretty rapid! And the power of those rifles greatly exceed that of the so-called assault rifles.

Banning the weapons is no solution. Perhaps Education is the answer. Because for these mass killings to stop, we need to Be Better People!
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These "slippery slope" theories are all hypothetical. Kinda like the anti-gay marriage people who claimed it would lead to laws eventually being passed that would allow folks to marry animals.

Besides, it has been shown that Clinton's 1994 to 2004 assault rifle ban was effective to a certain degree. This graph shows from 2005-2017 and I think mass shootings have prolly increased exponentially since 2017.

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Dropperneck said:
Why don’t liberals ever acknowledge that assault style Rifles kill fewer people a year than most things. Handguns make up the vast majority of gun deaths, yet the establishment/globohomo goes after rifles?? Seems fishy
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Fine! According to Droppernick, we should ban handguns instead. You heard it here first, folks :memecat:
 
What's the difference between legal guns and illegal guns in the US?

Aren't illegal guns just guns that were originally sourced legally and had their serial numbers removed?
 
Jerry Atrick said:
Fine! According to Droppernick, we should ban handguns instead. You heard it here first, folks :memecat:
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I’m just saying logically it doesn’t make sense if the argument is in good faith. Which we all know It’s not. Globohomo has wanted to disarm the US for a long time, we are the last freeish nation on the planet and it’s all due to constitutional rights that are hard to circumvent. Without guns the US would have looked like aussie and Canada during Covid. Instead their little authoritarian take over only effected states that have been fully subverted. Even in 2020 I could barely tell Covid was happening outside of state media propaganda being played at the gym.
 
Frazzled1990 said:
What's the difference between legal guns and illegal guns in the US?

Aren't illegal guns just guns that were originally sourced legally and had their serial numbers removed?
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Not necessarily…you can build a gun pretty easy just buying parts, and the real clever people who can fashion lowers are the ones making real $$$, also when most people thinking of a gun they think of a sexy factory Glock or AR… people make all kinds of guns capable of killing people , all you need to make is a tube that will hold a bullet that has a piece of metal that can strike the primer, and away the bullet goes
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Just to give you an idea of a “ghetto gun”
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I just find the whole thing bizarre. In America the cops are armed and so are the citizens. The citizens make the argument that they need guns to protect themselves and their family from other people with guns, including those carried by law enforcement in case the government gets out of hand or something.

I suppose if I was born and raised in America, this way of thinking would make sense. I'd likely be a gun owner myself for my own protection.

But because I'm not from the US and live in a country where gun ownership is severely restricted with not even law enforcement being allowed to carry them, the whole situation just seems utterly insane looking from the outside in.

I honestly don't know what the solution for America is. People are never going to willingly give up what they see as their protection and because citizens carry guns, law enforcement will also continue to feel the need to carry them as well. So as long as this cycle continues, there's always going to be gun owners who are not mentally well enough to carry fire arms and high levels of mass shootings will inevitably continue on.

We hear different rhetoric from the US Government every time there's a mass shooting depending on whether it's Democrat or Republican in Government. But neither party has a true solution for this problem. It's perpetual.
 
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