Mass Shooting and Gun Control Megathread
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Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
It happened all the time when I lived in Arizona. I'm not sure how big of a problem that still is, probably still happens I'd assume, but definitely happened when I live there.
People would make private sales under the table at gun shows all the time. Or they just half assed background checks and didn't properly verify.
Nurse Ratched
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This exactly. Same situation with the post you made a while back about the shooting here in MI . We got smart and FINALLY realized we had to charge the PARENTS.
The kid never had a chance. He mental health was neglected while they rode horses, got their nails done, partied and spent money on BS stuff while the kid was wallowing in misery and spent all day alone. Can't wait until the 2 loser parents are convicted on 4 counts of manslaughter and hopefully their son will receive the help he so desperatly needed years ago. Then they hand the kid a handgun and tell him to go play and get the fuck out of the house for a change. OK Mom and dad. Your wish is my command.
Nurse Ratched
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Wasn't that just the wildest excuse you ever heard from that chick in the late 60's that did that first school shooting. She came up for parole 20 years ago ( and every 5 years after that ) and she's still batshit crazy.
I'm assuming you mean the girl that did it on a Monday morning and used the excuse that she hated Mondays.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
That's the worst case of the Monday's I've ever heard
But very American of her, if you don't like something just grab your gun.
Gun rights aren't always all about self defense... It's also a right to kill people whether that reason is right or wrong.
I'm not trying to demonize gun owners here, but I have felt for a long time that a small portion of them covet the idea or opportunity to use them. Some of them are begging and itching for someone to break into their house so they can kill them. They want it to happen...
I love school shootings because they are the clearest reflection available that something is seriously wrong with our model of society, for both the actual event itself and the subsequent discussion by the media afterwards.
We don't have (many) guns in the UK but that doesn't stop children stabbing each other all the time. Whilst we have no school shootings, the individuals who may have done such a thing instead implode in silence and out of sight, causing suffering to themselves and others in different ways. The underlying problem is still there, it just manifests differently. Lives might not end instantly in such brutality, the suffering may be more diffuse, but it is still there.
The media just loves talking about guns and demonising the child as 'evil', overlooking the fact that society made both of them. But no. Blame guns. Blame video games. Blame the child who was betrayed by those who should have helped. Ironically, taking away guns and violent video games would solve nothing, all it would do is satisfy the desires of dull people to not have the faults of society impact their lives and allow them to go on pretending nothing is wrong. Basically they want 'out of sight, out of mind', don't interrupt my trip.. and the government would also get to neuter the public of weaponry that could be used to resist tyranny.
Discussion should be on why the child was failed, on causative factors that need addressing e.g. legal and illegal mind affecting substances.
We don't have (many) guns in the UK but that doesn't stop children stabbing each other all the time. Whilst we have no school shootings, the individuals who may have done such a thing instead implode in silence and out of sight, causing suffering to themselves and others in different ways. The underlying problem is still there, it just manifests differently. Lives might not end instantly in such brutality, the suffering may be more diffuse, but it is still there.
The media just loves talking about guns and demonising the child as 'evil', overlooking the fact that society made both of them. But no. Blame guns. Blame video games. Blame the child who was betrayed by those who should have helped. Ironically, taking away guns and violent video games would solve nothing, all it would do is satisfy the desires of dull people to not have the faults of society impact their lives and allow them to go on pretending nothing is wrong. Basically they want 'out of sight, out of mind', don't interrupt my trip.. and the government would also get to neuter the public of weaponry that could be used to resist tyranny.
Discussion should be on why the child was failed, on causative factors that need addressing e.g. legal and illegal mind affecting substances.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Is it really "just mental illness"?
Are we going to pretend mental illness doesn't exist in other countries without commonplace mass violence?
Our society in the US has become radicalized and providing the impetus for these events. Many of these are likely part copy cats.
It's not JUST guns or JUST mental illness.
Are we going to pretend mental illness doesn't exist in other countries without commonplace mass violence?
Our society in the US has become radicalized and providing the impetus for these events. Many of these are likely part copy cats.
It's not JUST guns or JUST mental illness.
1st, Close the southern border. I'm fine wit LEGAL immigration but make them come thru the front door so they can be vetted properly. We currently have anybody/everybody flooding in and dispersing thru out the country.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
How is that going to stop gang violence? Most gang members are already citizens.
Wouldn't even stop drug violence either.
I agree with your sentiment about immigration but that's not a solution to the issue on hand.
Mr. Krinkle
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this whole idea of arming the teachers is pretty stupid too if you ask me
militarizing the police wasn't enough for ya?
besides, i can maybe pick 3 teachers at my kids school that might be able to handle a gun - and 2 of them are male gym teachers - the other looks like a big lezbo i think she can handle it
and what are they gonna do with a little 22 vs an AR15?
i mean these are the ideas that rednecks come up with
i gotta share the country with these people
militarizing the police wasn't enough for ya?
besides, i can maybe pick 3 teachers at my kids school that might be able to handle a gun - and 2 of them are male gym teachers - the other looks like a big lezbo i think she can handle it
and what are they gonna do with a little 22 vs an AR15?
i mean these are the ideas that rednecks come up with
i gotta share the country with these people
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Experts on NPR say:
Raise AR legal age to 21
Universal background checks
Increased gun storage and safety at home
But don't tell conservatives they'll throw a hissy fit (?)
You can buy an assault rifle at 18 but can't drink until 21.... Drinking age is because 18 year olds don't make the best decisions
So stupid
Raise AR legal age to 21
Universal background checks
Increased gun storage and safety at home
But don't tell conservatives they'll throw a hissy fit (?)
You can buy an assault rifle at 18 but can't drink until 21.... Drinking age is because 18 year olds don't make the best decisions
So stupid
Mr. Krinkle
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and Abbot is supposed to be going to an NRA convention this weekend
you're kidding me right
you're kidding me right
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
I know... Probably planned on bragging about how he recently passed legislation to make it even easier to buy guns in Texas.
Shooter bought the AR 24 hours after turning 18
Xorkoth
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I agree, the fact is, people desperate enough to kill themselves would do it one of the many other ways. The figures in question need to be gun violence towards other people.
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
Maybe I do, I don't actually know, I just always hear about the "gun show loophole"
Xorkoth
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True, good point. I don't mean we should stigmatize mental illness, only that proper background checking would have revealed the majority of these school shooters (and other mass shooters), easily. Most of them seem to post about it on social media, and/or the people who survived later will say stuff like "we've been scared of that guy for years". Of course not all of them, the Vegas mass shooter was by all accounts a seemingly normal, successful middle aged guy and it surprised everyone. On the other hand, the most recent mass shooter had been posting about his plan to shoot up the very school he shot up before he bought the gun.
And yeah, certainly providing funding for mental health services (and other quality of life increases) instead of wars and billionaire tax cuts and tanks for police departments would help. I am actually quite shocked at how many conservatives, who say they ant guns to protect them from the government, will denounce the desire to divert funds to other purposes that are going to buy tanks for police departments. Aren't they disturbed by police departments having tanks and military weapons?
Mr. Krinkle
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those mentally ill people are giving the other mentally ill people a bad name
if we weeded them out sooner and put them in asylums before they breed, we'd be in better shape
if we weeded them out sooner and put them in asylums before they breed, we'd be in better shape
Las Veghost grower
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For shits and giggles someone should go to a gun show and go up to sellers and ask for a gun no background check then wink at them n be like I’m sure you must have one of your personal gun around here, just to see how it plays out
Electrum1
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The whole "gun show loophole" thing is funny to me
So if I do a private sale at a police station then that means there's a "police station loophole"?
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
My god your right…that mean there could be a mall loophole a church loophole and even a elementary school parking lot loophole…the problem is bigger then we thought !!