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Masculinity and Psychonautics?

If your a psychonaut/user of psychedelics, are you.....

  • Male?

    Votes: 215 92.3%
  • Female?

    Votes: 18 7.7%

  • Total voters
    233
However the mechanism exerts itself, it does seem to be linked to testosterone levels IMO. The hyper-masculine behavioural traits of men using androgens for bodybuilding is a pretty good example - there is less inclination to express things verbally (especially anger).

I did read that autism is sort of like the male state of mind taken to it's ultimate extreme; I can sort of see how they get that, with the reduced/lack of empathy etc, but do female autistics show enhanced masculine type behaviour?
 
Wow, I never knew these traits were present to a certain extent due to evolutionary mechanisms, very interesting. I guess evolution has helped shape gender roles as well but still IMO, not as much as societal/cultural pressure/beliefs/axioms of the day.
 
my first acid was from a girl i know...

but shes more of a druggy than most girls...

now that i think about it, i know about as many girls who trip as guys...

but i dont think most of them do it just for the experience most do it for enjoyment and recreation, not to see deeper into themselves...
 
hi! so I am a female. and I use psychedelics for adventure, self-exploration and spiritual growth. I have been known to geek out over research chems on occasion (sans boyfriend) and spend ridiculous amounts of time doing research on interesting compounds/interactions.

and I like good music.

so in conclusion I pretty much agree with fastandbulbous:

"Women may take psychedelics or other drugs just as much, it's just that they don't seem to get involved with any dicksizing behaviour"
 
^ i was waiting for that. FINALLY. 8) i was getting a little concerned with the direction of this thread with that music comment. :P
 
feelgoodhit said:
^ i was waiting for that. FINALLY. 8) i was getting a little concerned with the direction of this thread with that music comment. :P

If it makes you feel better, here's a clearly psychedelically inspired girl shredding with one of the best drummers ever... Prepare for a mindfuck of Mckenna-esque proportions!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlMNi_6u0EI

I find it funny that one of Zach Hill's best albums is called "Masculine drugs" Food of the Gods for thought...
 
fastandbulbous said:
However the mechanism exerts itself, it does seem to be linked to testosterone levels IMO. The hyper-masculine behavioural traits of men using androgens for bodybuilding is a pretty good example - there is less inclination to express things verbally (especially anger).

I did read that autism is sort of like the male state of mind taken to it's ultimate extreme; I can sort of see how they get that, with the reduced/lack of empathy etc, but do female autistics show enhanced masculine type behaviour?

Thats interesting. Its is a fact that autistics spectrum disorders occurr more highly in males then females- as a matter of fact, a lot of disorders seem to occurr for highly in males; Tourettes syndrome for example. Have you heard of Temple Grandin? She is a very well adapted autistic individual, with very (IMO) mascualine traits. There has been a fair bit of reasearch done with her.
 
General Patton said:
If it makes you feel better, here's a clearly psychedelically inspired girl shredding with one of the best drummers ever... Prepare for a mindfuck of Mckenna-esque proportions!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlMNi_6u0EI

I find it funny that one of Zach Hill's best albums is called "Masculine drugs" Food of the Gods for thought...


for sure dude, don't even get me started on how many AMAZING AWE-INSPIRING female musicians there are out there...
 
As a guy I have extreme difficulty in finding something interesting in girls I meet.

A 20 year old male - I am not in the LEAST bit interested in 'security'.

I'm pretty typical for a guy I think - who walks around with the motto "I gave up and dont try any more" when it comes to girls, like I haven't had a gf since I was 16..

I go out of my way to do anti-social things, major computer geek, moderate drug use, things that I absolutely love and don't see myself from stopping my current habits

I think that my way of life is purposely devoid of girls, I have never met a girl who knows what 2c-b is~

Maybe we are better off that way though? I think this is too much of an emotional issue for me regardless, probably bitter that I perceive girls as boring. Drug use on this forum for guys is probably the same as the Indy, sure you get the occasional token female, but it's really a guy environment... Girls aren't needed?
 
with females, most good things come to them. they're not chasing anything. so for obscure psychs where you kind of have to go out of your way and deal with "weird" people, you'd have to be a very determined female by today's standard to get into it.

also there are a lot fewer antisocial women than men. they have more to lose (as stated above) when deviating into stuff like drug culture that's got a tainted image, so they'd be less likely to give it a try.

most of the girls i know are pleasure seekers. they actually do more drugs than the guys and are more prone to addiction, but they're after achieving a familiar comfort zone rather than expanding their horizons and having psychological adventures.
 
I think a female can be just as prone to want to explore the inner psyche for spiritual or adventure purposes as a male can be. Gender really does not matter, except societal value conditioning and some evolutionary traits. Its just that many people (males and females) are very shaped by society whether they know it or not, and its not as acceptable for females to get so involved with drugs since they will be viewed as crack whore, etc etc. which is why its mostly males on this forum.
 
whew... that was a lot to read there, very interesting thread.

I am a female, and when I began reading the thread I felt a bit angry that men feel that women in general aren't as into self exploration, growth, research and experimenting through/ with psychedelics, but then I realized that basically all of the posts made here were quite true. Perhaps there is something that draws men to the adventure/ lessons/ journey of psychs more than women.

I myself fall into the category of woman whose boyfriend turned her on to the whole psychedelic scene, and I love him for it. However, I have embraced it in my own way that is completely personal and separate from his. He is a truly amazing wealth of knowledge about psychedelics and drugs in general. He's been into them since he was about 14 years old, learning, researching, acquiring, testing and loving all these psychedelics. I fell in love with him and embraced it too, timidly at first, having consumed LSD/ LSA and Mushrooms only a handful of times before meeting him, but then I dove in. I did it on my own terms, I never felt pushed into it .

Psychedelics have definitely made me a stronger, more self aware individual who perhaps NOW would not need the guidance of a male to explore the psychedelic world. Plus now I know where to acquire psychedelics. Perhaps women feel more secure tripping with a male counterpart to “take care of them” during the trip. I know that it is still comforting to me to be around my partner when tripping, plus it makes the trip so much better to be with someone you love and share it with them.

Even though I fall into this category of "girlfriend learning from boyfriend" I feel that I contribute to the community in my own way. I now actively participate in “research, acquisition, experimentation and documentation as a female.”

I believe that women do seek security, and lets face it to the female stereotype who obsesses about her hair and nails and coach bags naturally isn’t seeking an ego death experience from psychedelics, simply because perhaps ego is her main focus. Society has programmed women to hate their bodies, seek security through men and be catty with other females, so are women in general really prepared to find out that its all bullshit? To tear through that veil and realize that they have been programmed to feel and react to the world in a completely illogical way.
 
swilow said:
Thats interesting. Its is a fact that autistics spectrum disorders occurr more highly in males then females- as a matter of fact, a lot of disorders seem to occurr for highly in males; Tourettes syndrome for example. Have you heard of Temple Grandin? She is a very well adapted autistic individual, with very (IMO) mascualine traits. There has been a fair bit of reasearch done with her.
All psychiatric disorders related in somewhay to unbalanced dopamine in certain parts of the brain(too much or too little or unequally distributed) like schizophrenia, psychosis, borderliner syndrome, ADD/ADHD, tourette syndrome, etc. are all much more prone in males than females. It's our weakness by nature as men.
 
I'm female and most definitely a psychonaut. Also, since it's been brought up, I hate top 40 music. ;)

I adore tripping and get a profound feeling of "completeness" when I trip on mushrooms. I've done several other hallucinogens. I do, however, agree that most women tend to stray from the psychedelics. It's quite sad... but alas... more for me!
 
This is all very interesting. I've noticed more males involved in our scene than females, don't really think that one can deny that, but I have met some female psychonauts who are as much "in to" "research, acquisition, experimentation and documentation" etc.

I think psychedelics definitely let me get in touch with my feminine side/anima in the Jungian sense ... in terms of the way I perceive the world in the sense of the differences in the ways that men and women process things in a very basic neurobiological sense.

From the females here, do you find that psychedelics help you get in touch with your masculine side/animus? Or is this a one-way street? If it is, perhaps that would be some sort of explanation?
 
sansserif said:
"Women may take psychedelics or other drugs just as much, it's just that they don't seem to get involved with any dicksizing behaviour"

Look- we KNOW that girls are as obsessed with their penis size as much as we are are with ours okay? =D

By nature of being female, I'm not sure you could even approach dick-sizing behaviour....though we could think a femme equivalent? Hmm.....;)
 
on the one hand, this thread has made me angry at points with the "top-40" comments, on the other, the amount of comments from different male psych users about becoming one with the feminine within themselves makes me feel hopeful that my original assumptions about psychedelic users are true. :]
 
Really, all this thread can tell is whether males or females talk about psychedelics more on teh Interweb then whther consumption is higher....

karma1485, good post. I hope you didn't get offended by anything written. :) I am however quite shocked at just how male-dominated this forum is- like where am I gonna get BL groupies from? Some of you's would be alright I spose...;) :D
 
Who gives a flying fuck if someone like's top 40 music, I like that new against me album but its top 40!! Oh NOeS should i stop listening to the band?!

I think that it's about even it's just that clearly more males are inclined to seek out internet forums etc. etc. I'm not 100% sure about this but I can make a good bet there's almost twice as many males as females on this forum. In the real world I know about as many woman that are into psychedelics as men... Then again I don't know a lot of people around here that do psychedelics for other reason's than "getting fucked"...

swilow said:
Really, all this thread can tell is whether males or females talk about psychedelics more on teh Interweb then whther consumption is higher....

karma1485, good post. I hope you didn't get offended by anything written. :) I am however quite shocked at just how male-dominated this forum is- like where am I gonna get BL groupies from? Some of you's would be alright I spose...;) :D

beat me too it, basically what i was saying :D I spaced out listening to some tunes half way through my post. :)
 
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