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Masculinity and Psychonautics?

If your a psychonaut/user of psychedelics, are you.....

  • Male?

    Votes: 215 92.3%

  • Female?

    Votes: 18 7.7%
  • Total voters
    233
^ Uh, your point??

Nowadays 'hippie' is pretty much synonymous with bohemian, counterculture, nonconformist, or full-or-part-time societal dropout. There's not a lot of fundamental value differences between different 'types' of bohemians -- the differences are largely aesthetic.
 
^ Perhaps that's an accurate description of what the term could or should mean. Is that the way most people use it, though? No way... it's applied to almost anyone
 
^ Well hell, Eric Cartman just uses it as a generic insult.

Same thing could be said about 'punk'. It means a buggerer. It's a generic insult that compares someone to a buggerer. It means someone who's rude and disrespectful. It's used to show rudeness and disrespect back to someone one finds rude or disrespectful, by likening them to a buggerer. It's a style of music and counterculture. It's a self-proclamation of rudeness and disrespect used by a style of music and counterculture, which is effective because it defangs a generic insult comparing someone to a buggerer.

And this is the house that Jack built. :)

No but seriously, almost anyone could be wedged into one of those categories, and aptly receive the label 'punk', under some circumstances.

I'm sharpening my deconstructivist skillz, for when this gender discussion REALLY heats up =D
 
I agree, DexterMeth. Psychedelics can definitely lead to a pretty solid version of insanity, and speed to a liquid state of slurring incoherence. Not just tree-nymphs and spirits.
 
Well you'll see weird & distorted hippy then ;)

Perhaps a convexed hippy :D
 
Hallo everyone

im Female and i have experienced that mostly the women who use psychedelics are interrested in shamansim o in some tribal context.

Greetings Salviasca
 
thats sort of gets back to my OP ten pages ago, although im interested in women and psychedelics im especially interested in why women dont desire or explore research chemicals. i have actually met quite a few women interested in ethnobotanicals and shamanism. there are a lot of psychedelic dilettantes in both genders but it would seem the real psychonauts, the RC freaks, the chemists, the collectors, the acquisition specialists are 99.9% male. duh youve met a girl who took mushrooms a couple times.
 
Icculus said:
I'm not sexist and I don't want to come off that way, as all girls are different, but I've also noticed that generally the same is true with girls and music as well. Most girls tend to listen to generic top 40 music unless their bf turns them on to good stuff.

It probably has a lot to do with society and how girls are treated growing up. I could probably go on some sociological ramble, but i'm not in the mood.
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Like the name Icculus... I'm hampton bound in a few days myself

This tends to be more common than the converse in my personal experience, but I think this has more to do with the different societal pressures males and females face in their formative years. Especially in the south, which is where i currently reside. Obviously this is not a hard and fast rule, that would be a ridiculous assumption, but there does seem to be more societal pressure on females to be "normal." I have no idea why this is, but it seems to be the case.

It also may have something to do with the fact that people identify more easily with people that they percieve as similar to themselves, and the preponderance of the major figures in the psychedelic movement are men. Hoffman, Leary, Owlsley, Keasey, McKenna, Shulgin, Hunter Thompson, are more likely to have greater influence on men than women because they're all men.

I know plenty of females that enjoy psychedelics, but I know far more males that are into them, and I know almost no females that share my, and several of my male friend's penchant for ingesting strange chemicals in the dead of night alone. I'm not saying they don't exist by any means, but I've observed far more male psychonauts than female.

All this being said, I'm only attesting to my own experience, and I'm certainly not trying to down women, and I don't think it will seem that way. I'm also fairly certain that this trend will likely change with time.
 
and the preponderance of the major figures in the psychedelic movement are men. Hoffman, Leary, Owlsley, Keasey, McKenna, Shulgin, Hunter Thompson,
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These guys WERE the major movers- not so at all anymore. Also one must remember that, during their era (the sixties) the world was very male dominant anyway.
 
and the preponderance of the major figures in the psychedelic movement are men. Hoffman, Leary, Owlsley, Keasey, McKenna, Shulgin, Hunter Thompson,
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Ah but I never had a crush on them like I did for Grace Slick (before that awful Starship - We Built this City on Rock & Roll- debarcle). Of the women ih the 60s associated with psychedelics, she was the one I'd vote (& a few other things =D) for
 
swilow said:
These guys WERE the major movers- not so at all anymore. Also one must remember that, during their era (the sixties) the world was very male dominant anyway.
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I'd still consider the Shulgins (Alexander & Ann) as major figures in the movement, and they're both still doing work. I should've mentioned earlier that the site Erowid is also run by a husband and wife team. The Shulgins did most of their work post 60s, and obviously the website is in very recent history. So like I said at the end of my post, the trend is starting to change.
 
fastandbulbous said:
Ah but I never had a crush on them like I did for Grace Slick (before that awful Starship - We Built this City on Rock & Roll- debarcle). Of the women ih the 60s associated with psychedelics, she was the one I'd vote (& a few other things =D) for
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Mmmm mmmm Grace Slick. :D Those beautiful penetrating eyes...
 
A quick thought...

Do you people think that psychedelics are best consumed solo? Is the experience of LSD or Mushrooms one of personal introspection for you? It seems to me that men are more comfortable being alone than women are. Women tend to be more dependent on social interaction, and men tend to be more anti-social. If the psychedelic experience is essencially a lonely one, would it be a more appealing experience to the male psyche than the female?

MDMA is very different from LSD or psilocybin, and seems to be consumed in group settings much more often. I definately see molli or E being sold at more parties than just about any other drug. It was used in group therapy because it increased feelings of empathy in users before being illegalized. I taken MDMA a couple of times, and didn't really see the appeal, but I've known many girls who loved the shit.

So maybe women and men are just attracted to different psychedlic experiences?
 
I'm a female who's into psychedelics, but only to a moderate degree. Plus, there aren't that many that I've had the opportunity to try, so I'm just not as experienced as I'd like to be. I've only done shrooms (6-7 times) and San Pedro, a very miniscule dose (one time), so I don't really know whether I like the psychedelic drugs as a whole.

Nearly ALL of my shroomin' friends are female...I can think of at least 10 of them, and only 2-3 guys who do it that I actually know in real life. It does appear that the majority of Bluelighters on ALL the forums are male, so that may play a significant role in the lack of female trippers around here.
 
Lady Codone said:
I'm a female who's into psychedelics, but only to a moderate degree. Plus, there aren't that many that I've had the opportunity to try, so I'm just not as experienced as I'd like to be. I've only done shrooms (6-7 times) and San Pedro, a very miniscule dose (one time), so I don't really know whether I like the psychedelic drugs as a whole.

Nearly ALL of my shroomin' friends are female...I can think of at least 10 of them, and only 2-3 guys who do it that I actually know in real life. It does appear that the majority of Bluelighters on ALL the forums are male, so that may play a significant role in the lack of female trippers around here.
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Lady Codone <3 Thanks for being one of the 13 girls that voted firstly :) I think that once you give LSD a try that you will KNOW whether you like psychedelics. I would also give some of the 2c-x drugs a go if you get a chance... my favorites are 2c-b and 2c-i =D Some of my first experiences were with shrooms and I wasnt sure that psychs were for me... Then I experienced the MAGIC that is LSD and DMT and theres been no looking back. Love and Lite <3
 
Yeah, I think that men are certainly more likely to report useage, and more likely to use the internet to discuss their experiences. So who knows how many girls vs guys are actually out there tripping? I actually have to agree on the shrooms. I think I have known more hardcore shroomers who were female than male. I've known more males into LSD, though. Maybe because shrooms are so emotional? This is definately what I used to find uncomfortable about them. LSD tends to be a bit more detatched feeling for me. On the other hand, most of the people I know who continue to trip over time, male or female, eventually gravitate to mushrooms over LSD. I think that a lot of people find LSD to be too much of a time and energy commitment.
 
Yeah but back to hamhurricane's post a good point is brought up: why are halluci-nerds 99.9% male. As previously stated, sure you'll have your women who are the weekend acid/mushroom tripper but are in no way, shape or form halluci-nerds. I've noticed most females into psychedelics also tend to gravitate toward the now dead hippie movement as well.

Oh and any major dude you forgot good sir Huxley on your list of influential men in the psychedelic movement
 
I think the women that do psychedelics are mostly in a tibal or shamanic sense i myself am not in a tibal setting so im kind of the exception i wish thee would be more women who take psychedelics.
 
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