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Lysergamides Marketed vs Actual dose in LSD tabs (amazing data!)

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Interesting to see how many tabs contain even less than 25ug... with one being sold as nearly 250ug but only has 25ug.
 
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest

Always reading/hearing about what sound to me like 100ug dose trips when people claim 250/300, and the people who claim 600/700 sound like 250 max to me

Properly dosed without tolerance in good set/setting 200-250ug is time stopping/ego death territory. Most people wouldn't know wtf had hit them on 250ug heheh
 
There isn't even a plateau at 100µg for measured dosages, the number that probably gets marketed the most.

What is the methodology for determining the dosage in a tab? I imagine that would be very difficult to do accurately given the tiny amount of drug.
 
I'm glad I didn't take acid until after I learned to darkweb. I know you can get under dosed tabs online, heck maybe most of them are still under dosed, but you can also get accurately dosed tabs and tinctures straight from the chemist.

I think it's kind of weird that the practice over advertising/under dosing has remained so ubiquitous when really fucking good acid is so readily available online these days. That's before getting into all the 'legal' RC analogues that have come and gone over the last decade.

Folks just don't like using computers I guess.
 
I don't doubt that the average dose varies from the nominal value, however there are less than 100 data points in this study (if they reporting each data point). Considering the number of doses consumed each year this is not even close to a sampling that is a representative of actual world supplies.

It's more of a "coffee table" or "cocktail party" discussion of the LSD supply and does not even approach representing the actual supply in the real world.
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest

Always reading/hearing about what sound to me like 100ug dose trips when people claim 250/300, and the people who claim 600/700 sound like 250 max to me

Properly dosed without tolerance in good set/setting 200-250ug is time stopping/ego death territory. Most people wouldn't know wtf had hit them on 250ug heheh
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Exactly.

The magnificent Alpert, Leary and Co were reckless taking proper dosed Sandoz quality at 300ug on a regular basis. :stoned:
 
Snafu in the Void said:
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Interesting to see how many tabs contain even less than 25ug... with one being sold as nearly 250ug but only has 25ug.
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-ChesireCat- thanks for looking into the study and damn you I had justified my dosage.

Sooo I am not so crazy for trying two waiting a month and than doing a tenstrip depending on how two felt. good to know. I feel like acid is probably being sold as what it really is to 'distributers' who just say whatever sounds right based on market demand....Or maybe not; but LSD people aren't usually big into lying about that kind of thing. (on purpose at least, I hope)
 
The 200 mic dr suess I had the other day felt like that amount of 1p. Its not that hard to judge. I would love to get them tested, I might be off by a bit but the strongest hits i ever had.

The "155 mic" blotters i bought though from different seller i estimate to be around 70 mics. Its a war of exaggerated numbers, your weed isnt 30 percent thc either. The biggest issue is when you think you've taken huge doses before and then get accurate dosed hits and take way too much. 70 is about the right number for your average 18 year old festival goer, if the goal is to reduce freakouts.
 
Viraldrome said:
The 200 mic dr suess I had the other day felt like that amount of 1p. Its not that hard to judge. I would love to get them tested, I might be off by a bit but the strongest hits i ever had.

The "155 mic" blotters i bought though from different seller i estimate to be around 70 mics. Its a war of exaggerated numbers, your weed isnt 30 percent thc either. The biggest issue is when you think you've taken huge doses before and then get accurate dosed hits and take way too much. 70 is about the right number for your average 18 year old festival goer, if the goal is to reduce freakouts.
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If you got *** no vendors please ***tabs directly from them, you 100% got what you paid for. Nobody is ever going to convince me otherwise and i've had freshly new laid tabs from fresh new synth off of them and i can confidently say that what you buy is what you get.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
I don't doubt that the average dose varies from the nominal value, however there are less than 100 data points in this study (if they reporting each data point). Considering the number of doses consumed each year this is not even close to a sampling that is a representative of actual world supplies.

It's more of a "coffee table" or "cocktail party" discussion of the LSD supply and does not even approach representing the actual supply in the real world.
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I like your perspective, Friend, but I find it unhelpful in this context because if the best data available is spotty then it's still the best data available.

Also, you're speculating that it is not representative. You'd have to have a phenomenal data set yourself to confirm if it is representative or not. Representative doesn't mean, "consistent with standards", it means whether or not the average of your data set is consistent with a larger (er, better?) data set. This may very well be representative.

....unless ya happen to have better data. I do not.

I love you anyway, though! Sorry for being a neck-beard!

Think about everything that the Kennedy assassination researchers accomplished starting with much less than this. In fact, they had to deal with the disadvantage of deliberate obfuscation and a set of false trails.

Think about how many languages were deciphered merely with the rosetta stone? Sometimes a little bit is enough.
 
Without tolerance, 60-70 mcg can be quite profound. I've had things morph crazily at such doses and been too affected to trust myself in public. If you read early reports using Sandoz Delsyd you get a good reference for effects in relation to mcg. But it's really bad that most tabs are advertised the same 250 mcg. Because if someone were to get accurately dosed tabs, 250 mcg is potentially a life altering dosage and definitely not to be taken in public. My first acid that I bought in Amsterdam in the early 90's was that strong. Three of us split half a tab and I'd estimate we all had effects in the 40-50 mcg range. (I know that what I say does not relate to old heads with perma tolerance etc.)
 
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PsychedelicSummer said:
But it's really bad that most tabs are advertised the same 250 mcg. Because if someone were to get accurately dosed tabs, 250 mcg is potentially a life altering dosage and definitely not to be taken in public.
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They are? I've hardly ever seen tabs advertised as that strong tbh, usually 100-200mcg

Anything marketed as 250 or above I would be extremely doubtful were for real, as that kinda dose is just farrr too strong for the average tripper (as you've noted), and a lot of people just measure their intake 'per tab'. I remember a couple of years ago a friend had some "300ug" but by his description of his trip I'd be estimating more like 150
 
Viraldrome said:
The 200 mic dr suess I had the other day felt like that amount of 1p. Its not that hard to judge. I would love to get them tested, I might be off by a bit but the strongest hits i ever had.

The "155 mic" blotters i bought though from different seller i estimate to be around 70 mics. Its a war of exaggerated numbers, your weed isnt 30 percent thc either. The biggest issue is when you think you've taken huge doses before and then get accurate dosed hits and take way too much. 70 is about the right number for your average 18 year old festival goer, if the goal is to reduce freakouts.
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^good point on the weed, if it says 30 it legally has to be 20 though (in MI at least) and we know pot growers would never do that.....the labs shouldn't though. I figure 9 percent under.

Nothin wrong with 70ug, 100 is gettin borderline heavy for the naive.

You are absolutely correct as well, the hyperbole does not help people who are honest. "here these are 100 ugs" ... "Oh good thats what I got last time from someone else and did 5, so 500 is my #' ..... "I kind of doubt it just make sure your somewhere not here and safe".

Everytime I hear about coke it seems like it is x for what is on the market or x +10 or so for "uncut" which is usually the exact same. Or just already not impressive. Once I got some from like a 65 yr old, and this was 20 years ago; cut out about 100 mg. Zingg face numb on the roof, actually paranoid to leave my gf @ the times room. One toot.

That MDPV same deal, this is straight MDPV not bath salts, "W/e I usually do 20 mg" ... "20 mg that is roughly 14mg of cut, so 7, you usually do 7"

I do nbome all the time "Yes on blotters" ... "just pour some out" "No that would be insane".

You see the pattern here. Legalize and regulate it all so I know what i am ACTUALLY CONSUMING and can use the rich history of math to determine my dose.....not the grapevine and anecdotal dose suggestions.
 
man back in the days i would get mfers tryna tell me its 600 ug a tab lol.

shit would of been like 150 ug max.

the days of been young and surrounded by fucking idiots lol.
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
They are? I've hardly ever seen tabs advertised as that strong tbh, usually 100-200mcg

Anything marketed as 250 or above I would be extremely doubtful were for real, as that kinda dose is just farrr too strong for the average tripper (as you've noted), and a lot of people just measure their intake 'per tab'. I remember a couple of years ago a friend had some "300ug" but by his description of his trip I'd be estimating more like 150
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Well, I based that statement on a couple of DN vendors in northern Europe. The ones selling*** no vendors please ***are accurate though.
 
All of the DN vendors in the US label their tabs as one of two popular vendors. It's just a stupid marketing name as far as I know.

The tabs I've bought with those names are usually on the weaker side.
 
That is why the LSD prodrugs were so damn cool. I never did experience any of them but if im correct you could know basically exactly how much lsd-25 it was going to convert into. Damn shame they 'went away' (at least for my purposes) before I could really dive into LSD v Nbome. I mean I know which one is preferable but the black market has me almost preferring a known dose of Nbome and I know that shouldn't be...
 
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