Marijuana, Not Yet Legal for Californians, Might as Well Be

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Let Colorado and Washington be the marijuana trailblazers. Let them struggle with the messy details of what it means to actually legalize the drug. Marijuana is, as a practical matter, already legal in much of California.

No matter that its recreational use remains technically against the law. Marijuana has, in many parts of this state, become the equivalent of a beer in a paper bag on the streets of Greenwich Village. It is losing whatever stigma it ever had and still has in many parts of the country, including New York City, where the kind of open marijuana use that is common here would attract the attention of any passing law officer.

“It’s shocking, from my perspective, the number of people that we all know who are recreational marijuana users,” said Gavin Newsom, the lieutenant governor. “These are incredibly upstanding citizens: Leaders in our community, and exceptional people. Increasingly, people are willing to share how they use it and not be ashamed of it.”

Marijuana can be smelled in suburban backyards in neighborhoods from Hollywood to Topanga Canyon as dusk falls — what in other places is known as the cocktail hour — often wafting in from three sides. In some homes in Beverly Hills and San Francisco, it is offered at the start of a dinner party with the customary ease of a host offering a chilled Bombay Sapphire martini.

Lighting up a cigarette (the tobacco kind) can get you booted from many venues in this rigorously antitobacco state. But no one seemed to mind as marijuana smoke filled the air at an outdoor concert at the Hollywood Bowl in September or even in the much more intimate, enclosed atmosphere of the Troubadour in West Hollywood during a Mountain Goats concert last week.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, the former Republican governor, ticked off the acceptance of open marijuana smoking in a list of reasons he thought Venice was such a wonderful place for his morning bicycle rides. With so many people smoking in so many places, he said in an interview this year, there was no reason to light up one’s own joint.

“You just inhale, and you live off everyone else,” said Mr. Schwarzenegger, who as governor signed a law decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana.

Some Californians react disdainfully to anyone from out of state who still harbors illicit associations with the drug. Bill Maher, the television host, was speaking about the prevalence of marijuana smoking at dinner parties hosted by Sue Mengers, a retired Hollywood agent famous for her high-powered gatherings of actors and journalists, in an interview after her death last year. “I used to bring her pot,” he said. “And I wasn’t the only one.”

When a reporter sought to ascertain whether this was an on-the-record conversation, Mr. Maher responded tartly: “Where do you think you are? This is California in the year 2011.”

John Burton, the state Democratic chairman, said he recalled an era when the drug was stigmatized under tough antidrug laws. He called the changes in thinking toward marijuana one of the two most striking shifts in public attitude he had seen in 40 years here (the other was gay rights).

“I can remember when your second conviction of having a single marijuana cigarette would get you two to 20 in San Quentin,” he said.

In a Field Poll of California voters conducted in October 2010, 47 percent of respondents said they had smoked marijuana at least once, and 50 percent said it should be legalized. The poll was taken shortly before Californians voted down, by a narrow margin, an initiative to decriminalize marijuana.

“In a Republican year, the legalization came within two points,” said Chris Lehane, a Democratic consultant who worked on the campaign in favor of the initiative. He said that was evidence of the “fact that the public has evolved on the issue and is ahead of the pols.”

A study by the California Office of Traffic Safety last month found that motorists were more likely to be driving under the influence of marijuana than under the influence of alcohol.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/u...-marijuana-common-in-california.html?src=recg
 
Let Colorado and Washington be the marijuana trailblazers. Let them struggle with the messy details of what it means to actually legalize the drug. Marijuana is, as a practical matter, already legal in much of California.

I disagree entirely; the medical system we have here is very different from legalization. You can still get in legal trouble for possessing marijuana without an active doctor's recommendation while being a resident of California. There are parts of California that aren't as lax as other parts as well, which is important to remember.
 
I disagree entirely; the medical system we have here is very different from legalization. You can still get in legal trouble for possessing marijuana without an active doctor's recommendation while being a resident of California. There are parts of California that aren't as lax as other parts as well, which is important to remember.

It is very true that the conservative parts of Calif see things differently, but at least anyone with less than an oz only gets a $100 fine and no criminal record. Still, risking persecution for possession of a flower is truly inane.
 
It is very true that the conservative parts of Calif see things differently, but at least anyone with less than an oz only gets a $100 fine and no criminal record. Still, risking persecution for possession of a flower is truly inane.

The same does not go for concentrates out here, sadly. That doesn't change the fact that we still have a booming abundance of concentrates from the same dispensaries that carry medical cannabis, it just means that California's laws can be a bit draconian.
 
so guys with the change in thoughts talked about in the article, in your opinions when do you think it will be where at least a majority of states have liberalized cannabis laws (ie mmj, or decrim/full on legal) or federally decriminalized? next five years? ten years? or never. I think i can see a good change coming
 
so guys with the change in thoughts talked about in the article, in your opinions when do you think it will be where at least a majority of states have liberalized cannabis laws (ie mmj, or decrim/full on legal) or federally decriminalized? next five years? ten years? or never. I think i can see a good change coming

A majority of the states? Not sure.

Right now we have...

2 states that have legalized
8 states with both decriminalization and medicinal laws
6 states with decriminalization only
7 states with medicinal laws only

If you count all those states, we are already at 23 out of 50. That's pretty close to half as is.
 
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