Marijuana Not Linked To Lung Cancer

Eat it instead..

Oh and on Marley, the CIA didn't like the message he was spreading...
 
JD55 said:
^This. It's a cool religion and all in regards to bud and spirituality...until you need major surgery or transfusion.
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As with many religions, it sends on which sect you're talking about. More moderate Rastafarians are fine, though there are several fundamentalist strains of Rasta that preach sexism, racism, and homophobia. Sadly many parts of Jamaica are full of this fundamentalist bullshit.

People who ascribe spiritual significance to drug use don't really get drugs. They elicit a chemical effect in the body and nothing more. It's the experiences that stand out in one's memory that move a person.
 
23536 said:
So is anyone going to read the article, or are we all just going to hold uncritically to our predictions?
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Look, I don't have a problem with Marijuana. I don't care if you want to smoke your ganja. Frankly, it's not even my business. However, with that being said, atricles like this make people believe that smoking isn't hazardous to your health. It even said in the article that lung cancer has been linked to heavy Marijuana use.

Again, I don't care if people smoke pot, but I do care if they're being misinformed before they make the decision to do it.
 
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slimvictor said:
That is not what the documentary I saw most recently said. The newest one. Can't think of the name right now
It said that he trusted a doctor who told him that he didn't need to remove his toe, and that decision was the wrong one.
Nothing about Rastafarianism being the principles underlying his choice not to remove the toe.
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One Thousand Words said:
It was called "Marley". This was also produced by his family so I'd think it would be acurate.
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He clearly had to have been told to remove the toe by other doctors, though. He chose to listen to the one doctor over the others.

I think the fact that his family produced the most recent documentary and the religious aspect was downplayed could be easily be explained by his family trying to control the image of Rastafarianism. Bob Marley is definitely one of the most well-known members of that spirituality and no one wants to portray their own spiritual beliefs as having caused a likely preventable death. It is impossible that in making this movie that the Marley family could have been impartial to this topic.
 
SwampFox56 said:
Again, I don't care if people smoke pot, but I do care if they're being misinformed before they make the decision to do it.
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I understand that, but there's people in this thread asserting that marijuana smoke is more cancerous than tobacco smoke, but not citing any evidence and in fact ignoring all evidence to the contrary.
 
23536 said:
I understand that, but there's people in this thread asserting that marijuana smoke is more cancerous than tobacco smoke, but not citing any evidence and in fact ignoring all evidence to the contrary.
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One article said “Unknown for heavy users”

That is a read flag all on it’s own...

That article proves nothing.

I myself never said smoking weed is more cancerous, but common sense would tell anyone about the toxicity of smoke and or smoking in general. One article pretty much sums up to the shit I’m saying anyway...

No smoking is a good habit, we have all established that. One article posted says what we all know.

Respiratory health will be reduced by any type of smoking.


So asking me did I read the article a thousand fucking times will not change my view. Yes I read all you posted...

But the articles are pointing out that one form of smoking is less damaging? Come the fuck on... Are you serious.


This is all the shit some random pothead wants to hear to justify his cannabis usage...

Studies like that are garbage to anyone with common sense. But potheads are rejoicing... LMAO
 
Tobacco smoke is more dangerous (carcinogenic) than cannabis smoke because tobacco smoke contains nitrosamines.
 
SwampFox56 said:
atricles like this make people believe that smoking isn't hazardous to your health.
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Marijuana does, however, "cause visible and microscopic injury to the large airways that is consistently associated with an increased likelihood of symptoms of chronic bronchitis that subside after cessation of use," according to Tashkin.
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Clearly indicates that smoking marijuana can be hazardous to your health.

SwampFox56 said:
It even said in the article that lung cancer has been linked to heavy Marijuana use.
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"although evidence is mixed concerning possible carcinogenic risks of heavy, long-term use," Tashkin said
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I don't think that sentence says what you think it says.

SwampFox56 said:
Again, I don't care if people smoke pot, but I do care if they're being misinformed before they make the decision to do it.
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Might as well make sure you're not misinformed when trying to tell people they're misinformed.
 
Dresden said:
Tobacco smoke is more dangerous (carcinogenic) than cannabis smoke because tobacco smoke contains nitrosamines.
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So does cannabis in similar concentration... A simple google search can point you to that... LMAO

It is a consequence of burning and/or curing plant material...

Hell, you inhale a shit ton of them while burning natural wood on a campfire, eating smoked meats, etc... All of which are cancerous...

Fuck it...

Pork
Beef
Comercial vegetables


If you are really that concerned with the specific chemicals... Try acrylamide.... LOL

It is present in most fried starches as well as tobacco and cannabis smoke... And we all know most of you eat tons of chips/fast food while you are high... Hell I know I do...
 
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Elven Warriorr said:
Cannabis smoke is not carcinogenic at all, because it's not radioactive unlike tobacco smoke, which is actually filled with some very radioactive substances.

I have never seen even ONE photo of a pot smoker's black lungs which was filled with tar, while i have seen countless photos of a tobacco smoker's blackened lungs, which was filled with tar.

Tobacco smoking kills over 400,000 people per year. There's no government statistics about the amounts of cancer-related deaths that are caused by the smoking of cannabis.
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Like I said... Let them keep telling you that that...

All plants take up radiation from the soil...

Again another fallacy for weed... Weed is as radioactive as the soil and fertilizer it grows in like most if not all farmed plants... which mostly are tainted by non-organic fertilizer in most growing situations... Just like tobacco.

Most non-organic fertilizer breaks down into radioactive elements in the plant itself... Now considering that weed is indeed illegal, it’s harmful effects are easily overshadowed and not as widespread as tobacco. Hence why this data that we speak of is so little in the making.

There are organically grown plants on both sides and they both are less radioactive than there mainstream counterparts.

But, really... Have you smoked any organic bud lately? The most likely answer is: Hell no for most people.


Not being told certain things is the equivalent of lying... And should be taken seriously.
 
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The THC molecule is able to stabilize free radicals. I think it's because of the cyclohexene ring surrounded by tertiary carbons:

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Maybe that's why these studies are failing to find a link to cancer. I'll try to find sources for that when I have a little more time.
 
Elven Warriorr said:
Well, show me one at least picture of a pot smoker with blackened and tar filled lungs. You see, you cannot do that at all.
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It could be of the fact that all lung cancer cases are immediately blamed on tobacco... “Smoking” is always directly pointed at tobacco. There is no mainstream weed in a commercial market yet. I doubt it will ever be.

All potheads want proof, but in actual reality like I just said, weed just isn’t studied as hard because of it’s status. Just because you can’t see it now, doesn’t mean you aren’t fucking yourself with aids stick and no condom...

I’m saying it just isn't as safe as you think it is...

The thing people are failing to realize is that tobacco was in this same fucking position except for illegality.

Everybody thought that it was harmless... Then more and more people started wheezing and coughing... Then more and more people had growths in their mouths, lung and throats... Then more and more people started dying...

Then came the studies... CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! Then came the age limitation. Then came the barring TV advertisements.. ETC...

Smoke PERIOD is cancerous. POINT BLANK No ifs ands or buts about it.

Whether it is the grass in your front yard, or a piece of dried algae... If you smoke enough and you are predisposed to it, there is great changes of cancer.
 
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Psychedelic Jay said:
It could be of the fact that all lung cancer cases are immediately blamed on tobacco...

All potheads want proof, but in actual reality like I just said, weed just isn’t studied as hard because of it’s status. Just because you can’t see it now, doesn’t mean you aren’t fucking yourself with aids stick and no condom...

I’m saying it just isn't as safe as you think it is...

The thing people are failing to realize is that tobacco was in this same fucking position except for illegality.

Everybody thought that it was harmless... Then more and more people started wheezing and coughing... Then more and more people had growths in their mouths, lung and throats... Then more and more people started dying...

Then came the studies... CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! CANCER! Then came the age limitation. Then came the barring TV advertisements.. ETC...

Smoke PERIOD is cancerous. POINT BLANK No ifs ands or buts about it.

Whether it is the grass in your front yard, or a piece of dried algae... If you smoke enough and you are predisposed to it, there is great changes of cancer.
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Well, just because something is illegal, this doesn't mean that it's also not studied and that we also don't know about something's harmful effects. Here's some examples of this. Just because heroin and crystal meth and crack and cocaine are illegal, this doesn't stop us from having knowledge of the harmful effects of those specific substances.

How many persons has ever died just from smoking weed alone? Hmm, there's no statistics about this lately. I can't find any statistics about the amount of deaths that are a result of smoking weed.
 
Elven Warriorr said:
Well, just because something is illegal, this doesn't mean that it's also not studied and that we also don't know about something's harmful effects. Here's some examples of this. Just because heroin and crystal meth and crack and cocaine are illegal, this doesn't stop us from having knowledge of the harmful effects of those specific substances.

How many persons has ever died just from smoking weed alone? Hmm, there's no statistics about this lately. I can't find any statistics about the amount of deaths that are a result of smoking weed.
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There are no statistics because there is no information... Why? Because there are not enough studies.

In the beginning weed studies were falsified to make it illegal, blah blah blah. This led to people believing that something good is there, but in reality it’s no safer cancer wise most likely based on correct studies of cancerous substances found in both weed and tobacco... The carcinogen profile almost matches up damn near identical, because they are both plants treated mostly the same by growers of both...

And the bit about those other substances, there are many unknowns for all of those substances? I’m pretty sure we still don’t know everything about those.

I keep having that feeling that all this shit has nothing to do with cancer... and has all to do with people trying so hard to prove weed “good” for the rat race of legality...

I think the studies are being conducted for the wrong reasons in reverse of the made up shit from the early 1900’s...

It’s always too far left or too far right with weed... No middle ground.


Smoking is cancerous. PERIOD
 
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Look at how many times the word “some” comes up... This is the essence of uncertainty... We don’t know everything, but we do have very good proof from other sources.

Let me clarify...

Yes, there are “some” studies on most all popular substances.
Yes we know “some” bad things can happen in abusing drugs.
We still need “some” more studies...

There are “some” things known about smoke wether it be from wood, tobacco or weed. It does contain carcinogens. It does leave residue. It does clog up your lungs. It does cause cancer. It does kill people.

That is what we do know. Weed is special by the right means. But not SMOKING it.

Burning any plant material to be inhaled is just asking for cancer... We do know that.

Also, old information can be corrected with new information...
 
shishigami said:
Might as well make sure you're not misinformed when trying to tell people they're misinformed.
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My information is based entirely of my understanding of the body, the central nervous system, and the effects that psychotropic drugs have on them.

Somke is cancerous. We learned that nearly 100 years ago. I would think that would be common knowledge by now.

The assumption I made about Marijuana smoke being worse for your health was entirely based on facts. I took into consideration how Marijuana burns, how much carbon it produces, and its effects on the body.

Does it mean it actually is worse for your health than Tobbaco? Not nessicarily - but it could go either way and to me it seems more likely Marijuana smoke would be worse for you.

You might want to make sure YOUR not misinformed before you call someone out on something you may not have as much knowledge about.
 
SwampFox56 said:
My information is based entirely of my understanding of the body, the central nervous system, and the effects that psychotropic drugs have on them.

Smoke is cancerous. We learned that nearly 100 years ago. I would think that would be common knowledge by now.

The assumption I made about Marijuana smoke being worse for your health was entirely based on facts. I took into consideration how Marijuana burns, how much carbon it produces, and its effects on the body.

Does it mean it actually is worse for your health than Tobbaco? Not nessicarily - but it could go either way and to me it seems more likely Marijuana smoke would be worse for you.

You might want to make sure YOU’RE not misinformed before you call someone out on something you may not have as much knowledge about.
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Pet peeve... I’m sorry... LOL
 
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