Marijuana legalization fights dirty, claiming alcohol cause of incest and other evils

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From Modern Drunkard Magazine. Obviously they have a position, so take some of it with a grain of salt.


The Pot Calling the Bottle Black

Modern Drunkard
April 3, 2007


“There is a certain kind of person that will first stab you in the back, then ask your help finding your wallet.”
—F. Scott Fitzgerald

As an alcohol enthusiast, you’re probably aware that the PC nannies on the Left and the Bible thumpers on the Right are aligned against us. And fanatical Muslims, of course.

What you might not know is an even more virulently anti-alcohol group has sprung to life right in our midst. How virulent, you ask?

Wanted PosterTheir propaganda campaign would make the Anti-Saloon League blush. Their billboards announce that alcohol is the culprit behind incest and child molestation. They’ve put out wanted posters for brewer Pete Coors and Denver mayor (and bar owner) John Hinkenlooper, accusing them of “dealing a deadly drug.” They say anyone selling alcohol, bartenders included, is a murderous pusher.

Go to their website and the first thing you’ll notice is a graphic blaming alcohol for domestic violence, rape, and murder. They lay Mark Foley’s perversity, Mel Gibson’s anti-Semitism and even Dick Cheney’s shotgun incident squarely at alcohol’s feet. Their logic seems to be: Have you done anything wrong? Do you drink? Then it’s alcohol's fault!

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So who is this diabolical organization? Who could have so much hate in their heart for the thing we love so much?

You’ll never guess.

It’s SAFER (Safer Alternative For Enjoyable Recreation.) A marijuana legalization group.

Et tu, Bongus?

Who would have guessed? We’ve always considered them allies, haven’t we? There’s a helluva lot of crossover between pot smokers and boozeheads, and I think it safe to say drinkers are many times more likely to support the legalization of marijuana than teetotalers.

So what would compel SAFER to so vehemently attack sweet Mother Booze?

Sheer crassness. The organization’s founder, Mason Tvert, is known as the Karl Rove of the stoner set, and no wonder. SAFER has embarked on a win-at-any-cost campaign, displaying the callousness of a swimmer willing to climb on top of anyone’s head, so long as he saves himself from drowning. He figures if SAFER can demonize alcohol enough, marijuana will seem angelic in comparison.

heir main arguing point is this: alcohol kills tens of thousands of people each year and marijuana doesn’t kill anyone, so marijuana should be legal. And alcohol, well, perhaps the world would be a better place without that evil, murderous thug hanging around.

What they neglect to tell you is alcohol saves many more lives than it takes. Government studies by five different countries show that, due to its health benefits, tens of thousands of fewer people die each year because alcohol is present in their cultures. Research by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism reveals that if all drinkers in the U.S. became abstainers—by switching to pot, say—there would be an additional 80,000 deaths per year.

I presented this evidence via email to Steve Fox, SAFER’s Executive Director, and he responded by first trying to shame me for defending demon booze, then added: “My personal goal is to keep telling the country how harmful alcohol is until marijuana prohibition is over.”

Do you feel that gun to your head? SAFER seems to think they can not only demonize alcohol without fear of retribution, they can also brazenly extort drinkers into helping them do it.

Their entire act is wrongheaded. They propose to get their initiatives passed by attacking those who would most actively support them; and appealing to those (the uptight, teetotaler gang) who would never in a million years cast their vote for another recreational drug. Most ironic of all, they have adopted the same statistic-warping scare tactics that they have long bewailed the government for using against them.

Some might argue that it’s okay to overlook the devil’s bad habits, so long as he’s doing the work of the angels, but I disagree, because that evil motherfucker will sell you down the river every time. If SAFER's cynical tactics are allowed to succeed here, it will spread like wildfire.

I’m a longtime supporter of marijuana legalization, and I usually vote that way. But not this time. On Nov. 5 I voted against SAFER-sponsored Referendum 44, which would have legalized marijuana possession in Colorado. When it lost by 20 points I raised a drink in celebration. Not because pot lost. Because SAFER lost.

Was a lesson learned? Not at all. According to Mr. Fox, SAFER plans to really crank up the bullshit machine next time around.

“Marijuana vs. alcohol is the end game,” Steve Fox, SAFER’s Executive Director, wrote in an email to this magazine. “If you want to start the battle now, great.”

Consider the battle joined, Stevo.

And rest assured, when SAFER launches their ugly new campaign against Mother Booze, MDM will be the first to jump into the trenches and make these treacherous bastards pay. Every goddamn step of the way.

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What they neglect to tell you is alcohol saves many more lives than it takes.

They say alcohol saves MORE lives then it takes, bullshit.

I will agree though that the way SAFER is going about trying to legalize pot, isn't really the right steps at this point. Why are they bashing alcohol when a good percentage of the people who support them probably at least drink every once in a while? Alcohol is bad for you, yes, and I think pot is a lot less harmful then pretty much any other drug, but SAFER trying to 'up' themselves above alcohol is just stupid.
 
I voted yes on 44. Do I feel that marijuana should be legalized? Of course. Do I feel that alcohol should be made illegal (again)? No. Do I feel that SAFER is making progress towards opening peoples minds and pointing out the hypocrisy of marijuana prohibition? Absolutely.


As for that "alcohol saves more lives than it takes" bullshit, I could sit here and spit out statistics, like:


"In 2002, more than 70,000 students between the ages of 18 and 24 were victims of alcohol-related sexual assault in the U.S." source
or:
"Alcohol is closely linked with violence. About 40 percent of all crimes (violent and non-violent) are committed under the influence of alcohol." source


I could do that, yes, but I think I'd rather drink a beer and smoke a bowl. :\


P.S. I laughed my ass off when Pete Coors was arrested for driving drunk last may....
 
n4k33n said:
Research by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism reveals that if all drinkers in the U.S. became abstainers—by switching to pot, say—there would be an additional 80,000 deaths per year.
I dont see how anyone could possibly come to this conslusion.
 
People CAN die from stopping, but yeah I agree that more people die from continuing to use it. I'm pretty sure that this person just pulled that 80,000 out his ass though... but I think that at least 10,000 people would die from DT's if they made alcohol illegal today and no one could get a hold of some. There are a lot of people in the U.S. and alcohol withdrawal can kill you.
 
n4k33n said:
What they neglect to tell you is alcohol saves many more lives than it takes. Government studies by five different countries show that, due to its health benefits, tens of thousands of fewer people die each year because alcohol is present in their cultures. Research by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism reveals that if all drinkers in the U.S. became abstainers—by switching to pot, say—there would be an additional 80,000 deaths per year.

The source of that number appears to come from this study: Gunzerath, Lorraine, et al. National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism Report on Moderate Drinking, Alcoholism: Clinical & Experimental Research, 2004, 28(6), 829-84.


course I found this on the CDC website:
approximately 75,766 AADs (alcohol-attributable deaths) and 2.3 million YPLLs (years of potential life lost)... were attributable to excessive alcohol use in 2001

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5337a2.htm

so even if the 80,000 number is correct, we're at a net positive 4000 "many more lives saved". 4000 sure doesn't have the same ring as 80 thousand though.. and don't forget the 2.3 MILLION years of potential life lost every year.. 8o



I’m a longtime supporter of marijuana legalization, and I usually vote that way. But not this time.

oooo you sure showed them.. voted against what you believe in just cause you don't like who's saying it.. way to go!! w00t. seriously though.. bitter much? i mean does this guy really think alcohol is going to be banned, especially at the hands of a bunch of stoners
 
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alcohol cannot be banned, its just impossible..

if alcohol was a new drug it would never have been made legal
 
The thing with alcohol is its impossible to control production, it would be even harder then stopping marijuana production and look how well thats going.
 
delta_9 said:
People dont die from stopping drinking. People die from continuing to drink.
Untrue.

Alcohol is the only drug wherein you can die during withdrawals (excluding other technicalities like the seizures from benzo-withdrawals)

Many people wonder why an alcoholic could die during withdrawal. Well, the body has become so addicted to alcohol that it is now part of their chemical makeup. If you were to remove the alcohol in one fail swoop without stabilizing the body it could kill the alcoholic.

http://www.spencerrecovery.com/alcohol-withdrawal.html
 
^your right, i stand corrected. I suppose I should've said more people die from continuing to drink, than from stopng drinking, but in all fairness, how many people just completely stop, cold turkey. Most people i know who stopped drinkin had to start with cutting down first. I'm sure cold turkey can be done, it just dosent seem likely to happen very often.
 
I'm sure there have been a few cases of strong-willed, uneducated people that have attempted to stop cold turkey that ended catastrophically.

Either way,you'd imagine alcohol being the only drug that can kill you during withdrawals a strong argument point for the pro-marijuana party.
 
delta_9 said:
well it's by no means impossible, I quit ciggarettes cold turkey, although that hardly evidence that the same can be done for anything else.
cigarettes != alcohol.
 
depending on how bad of an alcoholic you are and how high your tolerance is yes you can die from withdrawl.... it is not a VERY common thing but it is basically the only drug that has potential to kill you by stopping cold turkey, not even Heroin can do that.
 
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