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Mania During Subutex Withdrawal?

amnesiaseizure

amnesiaseizure

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Ok so I'm guessing this is just part of the getting used to being basically sober but I wanted to throw the question out there. I've been off Subutex completely for about 4 weeks now and am felling more than great. I really mean MORE than great. Like I get up at 5am and could literally do all the housework and repaint the bathroom (I have actually been up at 3am and rewired the entire stereo speaker system while listening to Sabbath's No.4 album grinning from ear to ear).

Apart from the lack of Subs I am on Sertraline for recurrent depression which I'm still not sure is biochemical or environmentally invoked and also pregabalin for back pain (scoliosis plus other shit). Maybe the AD's are having a bigger effect on me now? I don't know, all I do know is that my girlfriend's ears are practically hanging off from the amount of chatting I do and that I am borderline manic - I'm a mental health nurse (ironically) so I have some understanding of what mania looks like.

Gotta say it feels fucking good though, just don't know if my poor partner can sustain me!
 
That's an odd one. Like you say, it could well be the Sertraline affecting you differently, or it could just be the joy of sobriety, though it seems a little extreme to say the least. Not that getting up to listen to Sabbath is a bad thing. :D

I take it you haven't experienced manic phases before?
 
I don't think so. Not like this anyway. I have had periods of finding the idea of an achievable state of extreme happiness to be scary and something I was very uncomfortable with but that, as I believe, is not mania. I guess I just need to ride out the PAWS and see where I'm at in a month or two. Really can't believe how much mental energy I have though, it's like someone's wired me into the national grid.
 
that's me. It's why I love 3-MeO-PCP so much, it makes me do shit, or it used to. Crazy shit, but shit all the same!
 
Amnesiaseizure Im going through the complete opposite of what you're going through. 6 days in since my last dose of bupe and all my motivation, energy, ideas, everything has deserted me. Did you have a flat spell to begin with or just felt better really quickly ?

Im also taking a very high dose of etizolam which almost certainly isnt helping. I'm working on getting that down, deciding which doses can be trimmed easiest to start reducing. Ive allready reduced by 3mg in 3 days, but ive still got a fuck of a long way to go.
 
how much etizolam are you on now? I don't like the sound of "very high"! Yet you seem totally coherent. Says a lot about phenazepam.
 
21 mg. :o

The only good thing about being on such a high dose is that i know that its far more than i actually need, and can get the dose down relatively quickly. At least i did last time i tried, i was up to 25-30mg and reduced to 6mg (taking it much more gradually as the taper progressed) and i could feel my tolerance lowering with no untoward effects. This time there'll be no opis either though.

The problem with phenazepam, and im sure youve read me post this hundreds of times by now, was that i didnt have a clue how strong it was; 4 times stronger than etizolam ! I wasnt even measuring how much i was taking either, I had become rather like Mugz in that I had taken to sipping it, like a Scotch Whisky or something.

Apart from that etiz does seem to less detrimental, even at stupid doses i seem totally coherent. I spose most of that is down to tolerance, which is why when i get down to 10 mg or so, I'll be taking things very slowly, as that really does work in allowing your brain to re-adjust and reduce tolerance.
 
That was the sort of dose that got me hospitalised on three different occasions. And locked up in a police cell twice! With booze, admittedly. Just in case anyone else is reading this and thinking "oh I'll try 21mg"!
 
Fuck that's a fair whack. Guess we're different - for a couple of weeks was taking 10-20mg Diaz and 2mg Xanax a day and have now tapered that to zero so i was on the benzo train too; had only just got on board for the detox tho, good year since last ticket bought.

Who knows? The sertraline and pregabalin + my own physiology are gonna be big factors too. All the best though MDB, chances are good life will improve with less etiz and more.self care.
 
Yeah i am massively overdoing it, to say the least, no wonder i feel lethargic.

Ive allready dropped 4mg in 4 days, but wanna be carefull about dropping too quickly, and am down to 20mg now. I think my dose is so high though (this is the total daily amount, spread over 4 doses) that at this stage i can taper more quickly to get my dose lowered, and then start taking it more slowly later on.
 
At last! Its subsiding. I think the valium in the morning may have actually helped push me further into intensive 'do anything and everything' mode. Guess that's why it was Mothers Little Helper back in the day. So anyway, unless anyone wants to add anything feel free to close the thread.
 
Strangely enough, I've noticed that benzos can induce a hypomanic state (or a state resembling hypomania at least) in me. It's usually more shortlived than one of my genuine hypomanic episodes, and it subsides once the benzos are withdrawn, but my behaviour can change dramatically during these periods.

It's pretty paradoxical considering benzos can be used in the treatment of acute mania, but it's an effect that's been observed by a number of people.
 
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